Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

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The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

hey echo allegations previously made by other organizations, including the U.N. refugee agency (UNHCR). Last October, the agency cited "credible testimonies" that female refugees were "at heightened risk" in Europe.

UNHCR urged European governments to do more to protect female and child refugees in October.

Vertigo, I'm really not sure what point you are making and why you think it is relevant? Unless you are trying to say that refugees are dirty and that is a reason for them not to come here? (Which it goes without saying I would find abhorrent. And my experience in the camp has made me amazed by how much people look after even the meagre and squalid structures that they do have).

I was called a liar by Emily I would like an apology.

Vertigo, when you said you had volunteered at Calais and that refugees refused to help clean up litter, I said I didn't believe you were there. I still don't, because I know a lot of people that have been to help at refugee sites across Europe. Not one of them has had bad things to say about the people they met.

Problems with litter are inevitable at sites where thereare scarce resources and little infrastructure bar that of what volunteers have provided.

How do you claim men are safe? Is being bombed, tortured and press ganged safe?

I would like you to apologise for trying to make refugees look bad for no purpose. Not going to happen though. I've heard it all before but it still makes me sad. Luckily, there are people with compassion in the world that know the truth.

How do you claim men are safe? Is being bombed, tortured and press ganged safe?

In Europe? Can you give us some links/facts please.

Can you also back up your earlier claim that ISIS are not Muslim please.

Gourmetsoup you might not be aware but linking to "Junge Freiheit" is not much different to linking to anything from Britain First.

And help, I referred to the channel you got it from full of far right propaganda. The source is not good. Are you comfortable with sharing material from a far right propaganda channel?

Emily I am eagerly awaiting some facts about the bombing, press gang etc the migrant men in Europe are being subjected too.

Amnesty and the UN have high lighted women and children as being vulnerable on their journey in Europe.

Also awaiting your comments on the Atlantic article that lays out ISIS and Islam.

Oh Emily, I did miss your random ramblings.

You do like to twist not just others words, now you are twisting your own. That is not what you said. No apology from someone, says everything I need to know about them.

I'm not twisting my own words. I remember saying, 'I don't believe you Vertigo. Can you explain the relevance of litter picking in Calais to sexual attacks in Cologne?

If you are referring to the vid of the Syrian man talking about spreading Islam, that is a clip from YouTube. I have no idea which "channel" is belongs to nor am I interested. Does this mean that what he said somehow never was said because Emily does not like the channel?

Are there any statistics to show how many residents of the Calais and Dunkirk camps are genuine refugees and how many economic migrants?

This is something I'd very much like to know myself - although I imagine the answers would be hard to find. After all, those who are simply economic migrants are hardly going to advertise the fact, are they?

Emily you admitted yourself you don't know much about Islam so why do you feel qualified to decide who is and isn't a Muslim?

What about those in Saudi Arabia who go around harassing women who drive? Are you saying they're not Muslims even though they're called the Religious Police?

I think you need to start judging people for what they do not the religion they follow.

In fact, that peculiar stance could have far reaching implications in other spheres. Does one take testimony only from witnesses we like? Do we discount firsthand accounts because the person is an ex-con, or represents something our own world view dislikes? Is the veracity of a statement in doubt because we "fell out" with someone? That would indeed be an odd way to conduct investigation, truth & justice.

january while I am probably as sceptical now about Guardian coverage as I am about anything in the right wing press, here's an article about who is at the Calais camp.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/01/calais-illegal-immigrant-uk-facts
Obviously it predates Cologne and the 'we need immigration due to European birth rates' is now simplistic not just in light of the cultural problems that are coming to light but also in terms of the skilled/unskilled labour issue.

But going back to Calais, France is a rich, liberal, safe country (not to minimise the Paris attacks in any way) and under the Dublin accord no asylum seeker in Calais has a right to cherry pick the country they claim asylum in hence nobody there has a right to come to Britain, although we have now had the human rights ruling the other day throwing the cat among the pigeons as it contradicts Dublin surely.

What I do resent are the actions of whatever minority it is who are staging illegal attempts nightly to enter the Channel Tunnel, breaking into lorries and so on. If they are already attempting to start their life in the UK by criminal behaviour when they are presently in a safe country that will offer them asylum then I think it reasonable to debate what sort of people they are and why we would want them. There are many people around the world who apply to enter the UK legally every year and this group of men in Calais would forcibly and illegally jump ahead of them.

Ex defence secretary shares our fears
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413552/Senior-Tory-MP-Liam-Fox-claims-Britain-greater-risk-Cologne-style-sex-attacks-migrants-remains-EU.html

This is from Liberation the official French Communist paper on Nicolini the Mayoress of Lampedusa
annette.blogs.liberation.fr/2016/01/13/heroines/

Palebluedotty said: "... under the Dublin accord no asylum seeker in Calais has a right to cherry pick the country they claim asylum in hence nobody there has a right to come to Britain."

Exactement. The priority of a genuine refugee is to get out of a particular country, not to get into a particular country.

Paledotty - quite, "unskilled" puts it mildly - often illiterate in their own languages, never mind English. Doctors/dentists/highly skilled engineers are not attacking lorry drivers in "pas de calais" with hammers. They are offered work visas. In fact I do some work for a Canadian immigration lawyer doing just this.

Which in itself presents an interesting dichotomy I wish the left would address. We often hear that the NHS would "implode" if it were not for plucky Johnny Foreigner.

But how do you reconcile filling the corridors of the NHS with foreign-born and trained health professionals - and ergo, "stealing" them from their own countries.

As for Calais/Dunkirk themselves - I'm sure you all remember the "clothes donation" drives of 2015. Men's clothes only. The collection agencies were not interested in sanitary protection, ladies coats, childrens' clothes.

Emily you admitted yourself you don't know much about Islam so why do you feel qualified to decide who is and isn't a Muslim?

I am waiting to hear back about Isis having nothing to do with Islam.

Pale- oh you mean like the 15 year old Syrian unaccompanied child who recently died in a van trying to reach his sister who was already here. The one who would have been brought here this week anyway because the courts ruled that we have a duty to these children. But who clearly could not bear another second of the despairing limbo in which he was living, so risked his life and tragically lost it.
The people trying to get across are risking their lives. Nobody does that unless they feel truly desperate.

Again 3 articles from the Liberation the official French Communist paper published today. One is editorial. Google translate.

www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/01/22/cologne-le-revelateur-d-un-echec-d-integration_1428390 22/1/16

www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/01/22/cologne-mon-beau-miroir_1428392 22/1/16 editorial

www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/01/22/ces-hommes-n-ont-d-autre-choix-que-de-tomber-dans-la-criminalite_1428391

Still waiting to hear why women and children are not classed as a priority by some posters.

When UN and Amnesty clearly state they are and why.