Brexit: what would happen to EU citizens living in UK?

[marghini]

I am a EU citizen and I have been living, working and paying taxes in the UK for a while.

I am really concerned about what would happen to the EU citizens who built a life for themselves and settled here in the UK in case of a Brexit.

Do you think all EU citizens already living in the UK would be pushed out? Or perhaps the government would just stop allowing further EU immigration?

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What's interesting about the petition, if you click on map view, is that the areas that predominantly IN (NI and Scotland) are not in fact where the majority of signiatures are coming from! They're coming from England and Wales!

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"MariscallRoad Sat 25-Jun-16 17:44:23
I am at a loss with article 50 of the Treaty. Confused. I know we dont have a codified Constitution. I know there is no constitutional obligation to accept the result. But PM said he will respect it and implement it. I dont know what this means and how is done. However I suppose the Parliament must do this and given that 440 or 74% of MPs last Feb were with 'Remain' I cannot tell how they will agree to serve a notice to EU. Anyone knowledgable in EU things? When UK was admitted in the EU back in 1970s our partmers knew our system of government and so they cannot complain now. Do they know the referendum is not binding?
So would they get parliamentary majority to pass the bill? It has to be constitionally right that is must go through a parliament and have a majority. Is there a possibility we might not be in or out?"

It might not need a vote in Parliament for the Article 50 notice. The new Tory Prime Minister could simply send the notice to the EU.

Suzanne123 thanks we ve signed it already morning. I hope that this will bring results.

Adulting Scotland has relative to UK small population 5.2 millions or 8%. compare to this England 54.8 million or 88% of the UK. So you expect more signiarues from from England esp from London 8.5 million.

Girlgonewild This has to be constitutionally recognised procedure under Article 50.

mariscall have you clicked on the map? a lot of less populated OUT areas comming up with a lot of signatures!

Yes, but we don't have a written constitution and there is no legal requirement for Parliament to approve our leaving the EU, I think. I don't think there is anything in the original European Communities Act either that requires Parliament to take the decision. The Tories were voted in on the basis they would put this referendum on and abide by its result so that's the mandate, even if most MPs are against it. So th enew Tory leader if they wanted could issue the Article 50 notice.

Yes it is encouraging to see OUT areas supporting the second ref. I have not the least doubt that many of the Leave voters have woken up to the facts and after they voted they researched what they did! Instead of doing this before. I am sure a lot of them regretted the 'out'. Moreover Farage had pledged millions for NHS but yesterday morning he denied it. That must have had an effect. I hope there is a way back or out of the mess but we have to try what we can.

British universities rank high because of EU funding and researchers

So why dont other EU universities rank highly? Why are there no EU universities in the world top 50 other than the UK with all this money flying around?

We ranked highly before the EU and will continue to do so. We did it on our own.

We did it on our own.
Said no UK academic/sceintific researcher ever!

www.ibtimes.co.uk/nobel-prize-winning-scientists-says-brexit-risks-uks-place-steering-eu-scientific-powerhouse-1564919

www.irishtimes.com/news/education/peter-higgs-says-brexit-a-disaster-for-scientific-research-1.2698759

Listen to the very people who you think "did it alone"

so why arent there research power houses and amazing universities across the EU then?

In the top 50 universities in the world, there are only 2 from France, 10 from the UK and none from the rest of the EU.

If the EU is so fucking wonderful, why are they no match for the USA, UK, Australia, Canada, China, etc

It just doesn't make sense. If it is an EU thing then surely more universities from the EU would have beneiftied and done something from all this funding. But in the EU, it is just us that can compete on the global stage.

www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2016/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/100/sort_by/rank_label/sort_order/asc/cols/rank_only

Actually, there are plenty of EU universities in the top 100. Even in the top 50 there are several EU universities.

The methodology is explained in the link.

www.timeshighereducation.com/news/new-faces-take-a-seat-at-extended-top-table
No room for complacency either.

EU or no, Cambridge Oxford and UCL arent suddenly going to become on a par with Southbank.

Plenty?

There are 5. Switzerland isnt in the EU and doesnt count and the other world rank table shows something different.

so why arent there research power houses and amazing universities across the EU then?

I'm not at all an expert on this, but it seems to me that these listings often don't compare like with like. Where I live, universities are not elite establishments for undergraduates - literally anyone with a high school leaving diploma can go to uni, there is no selection. The best students often don't go near a university until masters level or later.

girl it seems many options are possible according to this article I found in FT next.ft.com/content/5b82031e-1056-31e1-8e0e-4e91774e27f1
Interesting.

But on the top of that list are MIT, Harvard, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial College etc

Not just anyone gets into to universities like that. Which suggests in terms of global players, the top of the list is accurate. Major EU cities dont have universities that feature anywhere in the top 50. I wonder why with all this amazing EU funding flying around.

The very anglophone bias of that list suggests that the ranking criteria were specified by someone who understands the U.S./UK higher education system better than the European one.

My daughter is considering applying for what is probably the most selective further education establishment in our country - it has highly competitive entry, a high proportion of international students, and links with very prestigious universities in other countries. But it's not classed as a university and doesn't figure on that list at all.

So send her to a real university?

What's a "real university"?

The majority of top students here do NOT go to university after they finish school, unless they study medicine. This is because the most prestigious and selective undergraduate courses are not dispensed in universities.

The system is different, as is probably the case in other EU countries - my suspicion is that listings in English language publications tend to use criteria which favour English speaking universities.

It doesn't matter who gets into universities like that. Students are going to go to whatever university they can get into and can afford.

What matters is who teaches at universities like that. Top academics follow the research opportunities. That means money has to flow into research.

The EU only came into existence in 1993.

Are you really saying that Cambridge, Oxford, UCL, etc were shit and had no money prior to the EU?

Their reputation preceded the EU.

Nowwhat You sound very proud indeed of the achievements of these elite units. Could I ask if you have a qualification from one of the top universities?

Mistigri

I agree with you that the majority here do not go to uni. In other countries Secondary and primary is like a private school system, where you do not pass to the next year UNLESS you are ready and passed the exams. Here EVERYBODY passes, even if they're not prepared. For example,
Abroad, they have a year 7 text book coming home every night, they know what they must learn to pass the year cause it's in the book.
Now Imagine passing your driving test just like that!
A teacher has to cope with different level students in one classroom at primary, abroad the teacher is teaching them all at the same level (easier to teach).

I do not see how anyone can learn properly in this system.

About the Referendum, it was like signing an empty contract, without reading the small print which in the real world NOBODY does. It's like "HEY YOU SIGN HERE, and I'll tell you later what you've signed for!"
Who gets away with this?

Anyway, they have no right to keep EU nationals waiting for whether they should pay £1200 to become british citizens or tell them straight You will become automatically. They need to inform the public. Or maybe get them all to pay the £1200, all 3 million of them. So that they can put that money towards the NHS because farage said his now Not using the EU money for the NHS.
When wil
The public be told what really is going on. We are tax payers we have a right

I once read an article in a newspaper, which a said British parents are rated the worst at helping their children with homework or something like that, HOW can we help them if there are no text books coming home!!! Abroad they have text books from year 1 up until year 12 etc.
What do we get here? Some photocopies and go on the internet search! When it may be different than what the teacher taught that day. Children need to revise what was taught that day.
Of course some schools may have a book or two, BUT the books do not state what is in the whole of the year which you must pass. And even in primary school most of the books that come home are just homework books, not the school ones, you only get to see the work at the end of the year, too late.
Well if they all pass this is what's expected anyway because imagine everyone passing getting A! Then there wouldn't be any need for private schools!
Talking about costs of private schools here oh my god! It can be a whole salary! But in other parts of the world it can be less than half of your salary!