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Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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hiddenhome2 · 12/01/2016 23:03

Thread V

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DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:16

'The Foreign Office website already contains warnings about the specific dangers which confront female and gay travellers to other parts of the world, especially the Middle East.'
Quote from the article

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:18

So our foreign office acknowledges there are specific dangers for women and gay travellers in middle Eastern countries

Pinkchampchoccies · 13/01/2016 09:21

Emily, what would you like posters on MN to learn from you? What is your 'take home' message? Genuine question.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:21

Monmouth MP David Davies wants the Foreign Office to rewrite travel advice for Germany

Pinkchampchoccies · 13/01/2016 09:22

"Monmouth MP David Davies wants the Foreign Office to rewrite travel advice for Germany" I will contact this MP and also email a link to these threads.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:23

They want to rewrite travel advice for women travelling to Germany
At what point will the government give women keeping safe advice travelling in the UK?
I wonder if other non European countries are offering any travel advice to women travelling to europe

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:24

Brilliant pink

VertigoNun · 13/01/2016 09:27

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emilybohemia · 13/01/2016 09:28

'Oh ffs Emily, I'll ask you again, when was the last time hundreds of men gathered to assault women in a European city? This is not comparable to previous Oktoberfests or anything else, although it might be this year if nothing is done to stop these attacks'.

Attacks at Oktoberfest were on a significant scale and have been for many years. Estimates seem to suggest that the true number of cases, rather than those recorded, was much higher on some years. Scale of the attacks is not the only matter. The behaviour was very similar,so trying to argue that these kind of attacks are an imported phenomenom are false. Rape culture already exists in Germany. The attacks there were not taken seriously and evidently, the problem has continued. Why not look at these facts and the negligence and misogyny that already exists in Germany, that allows these attacks to happen and go unpunished?

So many of you are acting like women's rights and equality were all peachy until immigrants came along. Cultural norms, like victim blaming, have been a hallmark of Western society. In Germany, you need to have proven you 'fought back' to get a rape conviction. Women in Western culture are often made to take responsibility for preventing sexual harrassment. Women in Germany HAVE been suffering sexual violence in the streets a long time before refugees came to Germany.

Moreshabbythanchic · 13/01/2016 09:30

I wonder if this MP is one that has been contacted by a mumsnetter and this is what has spurred him into writing this article.

Frankfurterwuerstchen · 13/01/2016 09:31

I think Emily might see the situation differently if she was living in Germany. I don't mind admitting that I am absolutely terrified. I have cancelled courses that I was due to go on next week because I would have to travel home on public transport on my own at 10pm.
I have lived in Germany for 14 years and never felt this frightened. I won't even take DD and DS into the city centre at the moment as there is a totally threatening atmosphere in places that I never used to give a second thought about.
This is not being discussed in public amongst people as no one wants to be branded a racist for expressing their opinions.
The terrorists have effectively won.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 09:31

X-post Pink, I've just done the same.

Also linked to this thread.

Am linking widely to all contacts at the moment, it makes enlightening reading and I hope some other influential people continue to watch the discussion evolve.

BarryMerry · 13/01/2016 09:32

Emily

Can you answer my point please about rape statistics in Sweden and how they're very disproportionately carried out by men from immigrant communities? 8:36, post 24/25 on page 2.

I don't want to go full Paxman here...

ConferencePear · 13/01/2016 09:32

I am feeling very depressed about this. In 1999 a former pupil of the school where I worked was murdered in an 'honour' killing. Female staff had for some time been worried about the way British moslem girls were treated by their families. Because we were all so afraid of being accused of racism, a recently retired colleague went to see our local MP on our behalf. Exactly as we expected she was very quickly put in her place and told be to be cautious about being racist. Our, mostly male, politicians have been closing down discussion on the subject of extreme sexism in some immigrant groups because they are afraid of not being elected. Ann Cryer got precious little support.

The Telegraph article by Jessica McCallin explains very well the deeply racist and sexist views held by many in our minority communities.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 09:33

Emi!y and you are acting like to wis be concerned at what happened or wish to discuss issues around it stems only from "hysteria" or racist motives.

How should we think? Sum it up.

My paranoia does extend to musing if you are paid by ukip.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 09:35

Barry one you won't be given any answers. I wish I hadn't addressed em in my previous post. It shows a lack of self control on my part.

Frankfurterwuerstchen · 13/01/2016 09:36

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007qlvb/broadcasts/upcoming
Better late than never. Woman's Hour finally discussing Cologne.

emilybohemia · 13/01/2016 09:36

Frankfurt, I'm not saying it isn't scary or that I wouldn't be frightened. What I am saying is scaremongering arethe generalisations about Muslims and refugees coming to Europe and importing a particularly heinous form of misogyny.

Iam sure you won't be branded racist for expressing concerns about women being sexually assaulted in public. There are women protestors protesting about it and previous attacks. Perhaps you could contact them? I am sure they would talk to you about it.

Noone has 'won' anything.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 09:37

Forgive my posting errors.

VertigoNun · 13/01/2016 09:38

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SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 09:41

My point is a joke entirely. I deal with any poster the same way. I dont like to believe anyone would waste a career posting online.

Olivepip59 · 13/01/2016 09:43

Writing to MPs works - I have also sent him the link to this thread.

This came back from David Davies in under ten minutes

Thank you for your support. I fear there is a risk that women will lose the freedoms they have every right to expect in a civilised society. I urge everyone to tweet email and raise awareness of the very real risks to equality which we face. David

I have said I will send him a summary of points we would like him to raise too, so let's work on those instead?

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395538/Apprentice-star-tells-sexually-assaulted-Pakistan-gang-men-filmed-BBC-documentary.html
What about contacting Saira Khan, her parents are from Pakistan, she talked on lose women about her attack in Pakistan, she also accused the BBC of ignoring the attack(cologne) and the issue that 'Asian, Arab and African men grow up in societies where misogyny is the cultural norm'.

DespicableBee · 13/01/2016 09:46

That's good Olivepip, about the reply from the MP
We need to raise awareness and contact MP's or other public figures who can keep this in the open

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 13/01/2016 09:47

A disproportionate number od doctors from ME-NA-Pakistan tend to be either admonished or struck off for sexual approaches, inveigling female patients into relationships, etc rather than financial irregularity. It's an occurrence that has been commented on before in the press.

It appears that however highly educated and generally more sophisticated than the general populations from which they come, they still do not understand BOUNDARIES. Here is an example from the GMC.

www.mpts-uk.org/static/documents/content/Sayed_Muratib_Ali_Shah.pdf