Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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Thread V

pinkchamp, I haven't seen anything about Swedish or German police saying that.

Speaking of censorship, I'm still here, thread five, though said you'd 'get rid' of me.

If you are mentioning other instances of sexual assault in public, the attacks at Oktoberfest, Carneval and Love Parade are relevant, but for some reason you are only interested in the attacks of particular ethnic groups so drum up support for you anti immigration campaign.

There is a simply awefull comment in Die Zeit by someone called Thomas Fischer who is a judge at the Bundesgericht in Karlsruhe. I think it might be the worst i have yet read. I can't do a links on my phone but I'm sure any of the German-speakers here will be able to find it.
I just can't get over it that this man is a judge at the highest German court.

Olivepip, there is no vidence a Syrian refugee will disrespect laws any more than a European male.

560 complaints to police in cologne, 45% sexual assault

Can you please direct me to the stats mentioned? Five threads to comb through otherwise.

Also, I don't think anyone sending clothes would let you put those messages in. If they found them I hope they'd screw them up and throw them in the bin.

www.labour.org.uk/page/s/question-for-david-cameron
You can type a question in here for corbyn to ask Cameron

You hope they'd destroy messages asking them to respect women?

emily You are, indeed, still here despite having been asked on numerous occasions to back off a bit and allow others to discuss. Your refusal to accept anybody else's evidence and wilful refusal to accept criticism of your own seems unusual by MN standards

I am a middle-aged middle-class white woman living in a provincial backwater who rarely feels the impact of misogyny yet felt quite positive, after the first couple of threads, that women could be enthused to begin to speak out and make an impact against this infringement of our rights. After your input I really feel demoralised and wonder if there is any point. Was that your intention?

If you are truly supportive of women's rights you really are not a very effective supporter.

Oh well, I'm off to work which will be far more relaxing than reading this constant undermining of the views and very clear evidence of others

Suggested message (by the women responsible for organising and donating, collecting washing, organising, transporting and delivering warm clothes for this immigrants and refugees)

We are very happy to welcome this who respect and accept our culture and way of life, that women are equal in our society

"Emilybohemia"
If they found them I hope they'd screw them up and throw them in the bin

So the message to welcome refugees and request they respect equality of women in our society should be screwed up and thrown in a bin?

I'm reporting your hate speech and won't be responding to further posts.

I know someone who was involved in the Halifax grooming case and they said it was a lot bigger than reported and there were a lot more than 25 involved. She said some were "protected". When I asked what she meant she just changed the subject - said she couldn't talk about it. (We were both a bit drunk at the time ).

I don't think this case was really reported in the mainstream news. I've seen references to Rotherham and Rochdale on these threads but I think Halifax was seperate?

I agree that life has changed forever for our daughters. There are quite a few areas in our town that I just won't allow my daughter to walk in - day or night. I honestly don't think it can be changed. The beliefs are just so ingrained.

Hi mimishimmi you commented on my post in the last thread.

I mentioned that assaults occured when I was younger.

Recent events have been IMO on a new public and so far unchecked scale. No prosecutions after Sweden summer concerts for example I wouldn't want my kids out on NYE in Europe in 2016.

You feel safer now. I don't. Difference of opinion doesn't make me a stirrer IMO.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35298224
Still no one has been charged for the assults in cologne

Oh ffs Emily, I'll ask you again, when was the last time hundreds of men gathered to assault women in a European city? This is not comparable to previous Oktoberfests or anything else, although it might be this year if nothing is done to stop these attacks.

Some of the comments on this and the previous threads are suggesting that the men are behaving this way because of the traumatic experiences they have been through. It has also been pointed out that many of the perpetrators are Moroccan and Algerian, who have certainly not been through the traumatic experiences of the Syrian refugees. In their case it seems far more likely that a cultural background which devalorises women is more relevant any hypothetical trauma.
I am not saying that all Moroccan and Algerian men would behave in this way given the opportunity. In fact it makes me both sad and angry that the majority are associated with these delinquents: and while I believe that men who are identified as responsible for sexual assault should be deported back to their home countries asap, I'm not too happy about the consequences of that for their home countries. But at least it would help to send a message to other would-be migrants that Germany and other countries will not accept them unconditionally, as many seem to believe.
For German readers, I found a good article the other day by an Egyptian writer in Germany:
www.cicero.de/berliner-republik/zu-den-ereignissen-koeln-religion-ist-mitverantwortlich/60341

We need to turn things around and shame the filthy Men, that there is something "wrong" with them. If someone has a bit of spare money to advertise is various niche newspapers.

Emily do you have any comment to make on my post from 8:36?

Or is it too much of an inconvenient truth?

Re: the possibility that these men might be traumatised, not really, that wouldn't explain the same phenomenon, taharrush gamea, occurring in Tahrir Sq during the Egyptian revolution.

Every country has violence against women
But the new Tarrahush practice is new in Europe, having previously been observed in Arab countries, particularly Egypt tahir square
I want to know what our politicians are going to do to protect women in Britain from Tarrahush

igneococcus I think this is the Thomas Fischer article. It makes depressing reading.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/634082/Germany-travel-advice-Cologne-sex-attacks-warns-MP
This is interesting, Monmouth MP asking for travel advice for British nationals travelling to Germany
Maybe we should contact that MP

Sorry not British nationals travelling to Germany, but travel advice for British WOMEN

Thanks for the link longwayround it's horrible, isn't it? And the attempt at being funny is just pathetic.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12095984/Muslim-men-considered-us-to-be-whores.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook is this the article?

Olivepip, education is fine but those people are reugees and the messages in clothes are supposed to be messages of welcome, something heart warming. How does a 'warning' note educate people? It is totally out of context, ridiculous and inappropriate. You are the one that sounds hateful.

Fakenamefornow, I hope that the volounteers would not allow messages like that to be passed and quite frankly, they wouldn't if they saw them. The refugees are traumatised people and trying to turn friendly messages of welcome into 'warnings' is a pretty shit thing to do. Educate people, from all backgrounds maybe, but sending messagesof this nature is not doing that.

In addition, as I stated before, rape is not caused simply by sexual inequality and lack of respect for certain values. Many native European men are not sex attackers but have outdated views on these matters. Rape occurs for many other factors and as the debate here is actually on rape and assault of women, steering the debate just to matters of sexual inequality is not entirely helpful.

CalmYo, I don't need to back off. You can argue back or ignore me. I feel that when racism and prejudice are being dressed up as concern for the women of Cologne on a popular public platform like Mumsnet, it is important that that there are counter arguments.

'If you are truly supportive of women's rights you really are not a very effective supporter'.

Women's rights are not top of the agenda on these threads so far. Anti immigrant stances, prejudice and scaremongering seem to be the goal of the majority of posters.

That's a good suggestion Bee.