Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

'However - the culture in many of these countries is different especially towards women. If you have been brought up in that culture, it can be very hard to change your views. That's how you've been brought up.'

Can you specify which countries Ego?

'You can't ignore the fact that there is probably going to be a much higher percentage of men coming here who have little respect for women compared to the population they are coming to'

It isn't a fact. it is your opinion.

'By saying it's an example of male violence is missing the point. It's also an example of people who have been brought up in a culture where women aren't respected'.

It is the point really because many people are brought up within a society where women are not respected. British and German men are brought up in a society where women are not respected. Yet many in those cultures manage not to rape. The conditions for being a rapist or sex attacker amount to more than background culture and inequality and have much to do with the individual. Screening refugees on the possibilty that they may commit a crime because of a culture regarded by some as inferior to Western culture seems like the basis of a dystopian novel.

I think we need to consider criminal culture. Some of the attackers in Cologne appear to have been from criminal gangs where sexual aggression is a means of proving one's manliness and attaining prestige.

Rape and power seem to be the motivating force for most rapes and sexual assaults. Poverty is also linked to the perpetration of sexual violence.

Trying to prevent sexual violence through limiting or altering immigration is misguided as there is no typical profile of arapist, no two sex offenders are alike and they comprise a heterogeneous population. A rapist may appear to be a fully integrated member of society, performing good deeds, yet still be a rapist.

Trying to anticipate that people may be more likely to be a rapist because of a particular culture is misguided. There is an no typical profile of a rapist. This is why it is good to focus on that person’s behavior instead of who they are in their community.

Men are more likely to commit sexual violence in communities where sexual violence goes unpunished. in western societies, this is the case. Therefore, rather than focusing on immigration in order to prevent further attacks, more attention should be paid to prosecuting criminals and upholding existing laws.

"Europe, aided by its great cultural and religious heritage, has the means to defend the centrality of the human person and to find the right balance between its two-fold moral responsibility to protect the rights of its citizens and to ensure assistance and acceptance to migrants," he said (the pope, that is).

This is what makes this situation so difficult. How do you manage two almost conflicting obligations?

Was going to give Chinese burn to Wilde and Cellar but afraid of unleashing tsunami of 'you racist anti-Chinese' twaddle, so how about gentle Glasgow kiss?

Catching up, iPosts point about another culture being unable to knock the feminist out if her, yes I absolutely had the same experience.

I think what I hoped was that immigrant men, confronted with (la last land, bear with) perhaps a Muslim man and a European woman co-training on the right way to treat females in Europe might be powerful.

But yes, it's a sexism and gender entitlement unlike anything just westerners can even begin to imagine.

Anyone thinking 'casual sexism' is the builder calling you 'love' while he assures you the intricacies of a velux window are beyond your little pink brain, you have NO idea.

Rape isn't always a crime, and in some places is automatically the female's fault. And the punishment? Well, research it. You will be sickened.

So yes, these medieval attitudes are bone-deep.

iPost (great name!), what would you do?

Why aren't the usual lefty go shores (India Knight and her ilk) shrieking about this?

Apologies if they are!

Go shores? Gob shites!!

I also wanted to say thankyou for your comment re being a lone voice, it was nice.

Helsinki was nye, the same night, strange coincidence...

1000 men gathered outside the train station in Helsinki, the attacks were prevented through a tip off to police

I know there was trouble NYE but I was wondering if the breaking story with the police chief comments was specifically about that. I couldn't get the translation to work

Emily: "Trying to prevent sexual violence through limiting or altering immigration is misguided as there is no typical profile of a rapist".

Nor do you keep them, mate. It's only you who wants any kind of trash behaviour coming to Europe from anywhere. After rape comes murder, that is the natural order of sex attacks.

If any migrant is tried and convicted of anything that carries jail time, however small, he should be sent out of Europe to a UN camp, if he cannot be returned to his country (assuming we even know where he's from).

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a cultural relativist telling us all cultures are equally bad, against all the evidence, forever.

This is a quote taken from the link posted with the pope's comments

'Despite the "inevitable difficulties" in trying to absorb the migrants, who brought with them different cultures and traditions, the pope said he hoped European nations would prove capable of integrating and accepting the refugees.'

Is the pope racist too, for mentioning the different cultures & traditions that comes with a large migration of people (who are overwhelmingly male)?

I'm sure the west are capable of assisting the integration of genuine refugee migrants but you can hardly address the issues of mass migration if you can't even mention the areas of difficulty without being labelled racist i.e. what cultural baggage needs to be addressed to at least try and give the impression that the rights & freedoms of women, all women, are going to be taken seriously & upheld?

I still come back to the women & children fleeing the horrors of war & I shudder at the thought of what a large % must endure to reach the apparent safety of the west & then are unable to even secure themselves in accommodation because there are mixed u areas, no locking doors or that any locks there may be are controlled by the men that outnumber them. Do we leave those women & children in appalling conditions because it's unfair to tar all migrant men as a potential threat? Or do we address the danger & threat those women & children face because some are a danger to their safety?

I have absolutely no idea how this has appeared in my notifications on Facebook , but it has!

Who is watching me?

I've never 'liked' the bbc?

www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/vb.228735667216/10153318222632217/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video

I heard a iram on LBC last week saying that if they (demonstrators) speak out they are found, by other members of the community, death threats are made to them, their families are threatened

Please do you have any kind of link to his, Hillingdon? I'd be interested to read more ...

Certainly, rapes are often more common in refugee camps than statistically for the country in which they are located (I am generalising here across Africa and MENA) but that's also to be expected because of the level of brtualisation that has been involved in many people's journey (both metaphorical and literal) to the camps, and there is a correlation between the two. There have been a series of reports of rapes and other forms of sexual violence in "The Jungle", for example: so Tension is right to point out that the biggest danger is probably faced by those within the camps.

That said, as inexcusable as that is, the fact that it takes place is no reason to excuse it on the streets of our cities either. In fact, in a time of austerity, when mental health services across Europe are already stretched to breaking, is it responsible to be taking on people who have seen (and, probably, in some case, done) some awful things, knowing that we aren't able to provide the appropriate psychological support? No matter how to try to represent this, emily I still don't think this is an issue you can divorce from the issue of immigration, I am afraid.

Thanks for that link Wilde I'll be home for a while in a few weeks, I'm definitely going to raise awareness of this issue with my sister, mother and friends. Funnily enough, in my family I think it is my dad who is the most likely to actually be informed about this and be concerned. Shamefully, in the past I have had a go at him for his views but my eyes have been well and truly opened now. We can only hope that people like emily will also wake up before its too late.

TensionWheels, no, it is racist to state that those from the different cultures & traditions that come with a large migration of people are more likely to rape or sexually attack women. It is also racist that they are more likely to rape or sexually asault because of that culture or religion

You are generally called a racist when you are being racist. Those that are not racist have no fear of being called racist.

The danger and threat in accomodation and centres should be dealt with. Sexual assaults in them should be dealt with. All sex offenders should be dealt with. Better provisions should be made and better accomodation.

No, they should not be left in those appalling conditions. They probably will be though. I don't think most European governments care about it.

Wilde what does is the BBC video about? The link doesn't open for me.

I read an article which I didn't link to a few days ago, about one husband selling his wife to the people traffickers to be raped over the course of a few days, in order to 'pay' for the trip. His trip.
I didn't link to it at the time, as I was thinking to myself, 'how the fuck does the poor woman prove it - this will be picked apart by Emily and the likes'.
On the twitter #Cologne, I also had the displeasure of viewing a 5 minute video of a man (not a German man), speaking excitedly and telling in graphic detail how 7 of them had gang-raped a German virgin.
The sexual depravity seems almost incomprehensible to us. Yet, I acknowledge, it DOES exist in Western society.

But, not on the massive scale of Arab countries.

Sorry, no that report from Helsinki is not about New Year's Eve, it's police breaking silence on what he is seeing happening on the streets and states it's a 'recent new phenomenon'

The link is about how a newly appointed Canadian minister is looking at the refugee situation.

Emily, what do you think the pope means by 'the inevitable difficulties' with mass migration then?

Thank you just another. That is very sad.

Perhaps to do with your cookies Wilde?

This is a link to the gang-rape thing. I viewed it through twitter, so could watch it, but now I need to register to watch as it contains an age filter (VERY MUCH NEEDED).

WARNING/KLAXON
This WILL break your heart if you view it, so be careful if you feel you can watch it. It is one of those things that will stay with you forever. Do not watch if you think you might be affected.