Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

Sorry - the video is viewable linked here! It's not viewable on youtube, but if you link it, it is?
The initial version I had the misfortune of viewing was longer.

Who makes these animals?

I totally agree hefzi, I think the mass attacks on women is as justifiably worthy of outrage as those attacks women face fleeing war, or in the camps or those settled in mass accommodation blocks while awaiting being processed as asylum seekers. I just think it's worth highlighting that it's women, all women, who are at risk with the dynamics we are dealing with in the mass migration & to dismiss both western women's safety in the name of calling out racism is to also throw the women & children refugees under a bus for the sake of derailing from the inconvenient facts that the mass attacks against women on NYE were almost all perpetrated by migrant men, according to the reports. It's an unpleasant truth that I think makes a lot of us uncomfortable & conflicted when we feel compassion for those fleeing the horrors in Syria & Iraq etc. But, it cannot be ignored or dismissed as not relevant or racist to mention those facts and try and bring those facts to light while so many in power & authority are trying to cover those details up.

I couldn't see anything from that video but the comments were horrific - blaming women and feminists for letting immigrants in.

I noticed that too, suggesting that feminists are not talking about gang rape because they are looking forward to it. FFS

Most of the discussion I've seen over the last few months about possible culture clashes and what's been happening in Sweden have been by feminists. They were called racists and bigots for speaking of potential issues.

hefzi

'That said, as inexcusable as that is, the fact that it takes place is no reason to excuse it on the streets of our cities either. In fact, in a time of austerity, when mental health services across Europe are already stretched to breaking, is it responsible to be taking on people who have seen (and, probably, in some case, done) some awful things, knowing that we aren't able to provide the appropriate psychological support? No matter how to try to represent this, emily I still don't think this is an issue you can divorce from the issue of immigration, I am afraid'.

Yes, it responsible to be taking people that have seen awful things because it saves them from death and misery and offers them a better life. I think we do have responsibility and to deny it is wrong. Don't try to dress up your dearth of compassion by trying to dress it up as pragmatism.

Perhaps if more money was spent on mental health services instead of bombs, it wouldn't seem so impractical.

Rather than contesting my view that view that those coming as migrants are not more likely to committ sex attackers,you try to score points by saying, 'We can't afford their trauma anyway'. You're really reaching there. The issue is the attacks on women, not immigration.

TensionWheels, no, it is racist to state that those from the different cultures & traditions that come with a large migration of people are more likely to rape or sexually attack women. It is also racist that they are more likely to rape or sexually asault because of that culture or religion

I've been lurking on these threads but wanted to comment on emilybohemia's statement above.

According to Danish rape statistics 2/3 of all rapes are committed by ethnic Danes, 1/3 of all rapes are committed by immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Of the rapes committed by immigrants, the following nationalities are the most dominant: Turkey, Somalia, (area previously known as) Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan.
Link to statistics and study here
It's in Danish but the table on page 23 is pretty clear.

Given these statistics and the fact that the immigrant population is approximately 10% of the total population in Denmark, do you really think it is racist to say that male immigrants from certain countries are more likely to commit rape ?

WildeWoman, how do you know the translation on that video is accurate?

Scandi, can you see the part where I said 'Different cultures and traditions'? Not countries? Anyway, posters here have been saying that those from 'Muslim' countries are more likely to rape than those from the non immigrant population. I think that is a racist assertion. That is a bit different to comparing statistics on rape from different countries. None of the posters said that that male immigrants from certain countries are more likely to commit rape. Noone discussed the variables in rape likelihood from different countries. The posters here were largely focusing on what they see as the homogenous culture of Islam, not countries.

Your statistics show that immigrants are not more likely to rape than non immigrants, which was the point I was trying to make.

How has this thread managed to be derailed so many times by one person. Instead of talking about the attacks anymore you are all talking to Emily instead about anything other than the actual attacks.

Let's clear this up Emily. ..

We are all racist.
We are all responsible, and the victims, for the attacks that happened, as opposed to the foreigners being responsible.

Satisfied....can we get back to the post now.

COLD

your so right but its so hard.

I have also fallen into the trap.

Cold, the focus hasn't been on the attacks for quite some times, it turned into an anti immigration thread rather a long time ago.

I've never said the attackers were not responsible.

Your statistics show that immigrants are not more likely to rape than non immigrants, which was the point I was trying to make.

I'm really sorry emilybohemia but the statistics I quoted show the exact opposite: that immigrants are more likely to rape than non immigrants: 30% of all rapes in Denmark are committed by the 10% of the male population that consists of immigrants (with an over representation of nationalities from the countries listed in my previous post).

www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/overgreppen-pa-festivalen-i-stockholm-rapporterades-aldrig-vidare/
AN excellent article, which was translated and summarised for me by a kind person.

It's about the Stockholm festival where young male asylum seekers and refuges sexually assault young women (as young as 11) since 2014. They act in groups using the anonymity of the crowd to molest the girls and women.

At the 2015 event the organisers spent a lot of effort and funding to warn girls and women visiting the event. 200 male asylum seekers and refuges were chucked out for this type of behaviour.

The police did not report any of this in their summary of the vent. The Stockholm police chief now admits that this was a mistake and that they will investigate the issue now. Another officer said to the journalist that the Swedish government does not want crimes conducted by this group of immigrants to be reported fearing that right wing groups will hijack this for their own political motives.

The sexual assaults at the concert in 2014 were so bad and out of control that the Stockholm council event organisers considered separating women and men at the concert. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) They did not end up segregating by gender in the end as they realised this would prevent families from enjoying the concert together.

Same as in Germany then. Welcome refugees, protect refugees from Neo-Nazis. Silence and ignore girls and women who are unable to go about their normal business.

Scandi, can you see the part where I said 'Different cultures and traditions'? Not countries? Anyway, posters here have been saying that those from 'Muslim' countries are more likely to rape than those from the non immigrant population

Considering the post your replying to, you are being wilfully obtuse with that statement.

WildWoman: "The sexual depravity seems almost incomprehensible to us. Yet, I acknowledge, it DOES exist in Western society. But, not on the massive scale of Arab countries."

Precisely. The cases of depravity that have occurred in UK by Brits and in Europe by ethnic Europeans are the exception, not the norm. Crucial difference.

X posted with Scandinavia there.

Oh, i am told this is the main Stockholm newspaper and the article is from today.

It's all coming out in the open now. No more denying, no more sacrificing girls and women in order to keep peace between home grown far right groups and middle-eastern / north african foreigners.

Oh and the asylum seekers and refugees were mostly from Afghanistan.

pink that's shocking. The swedes have also made it illegal to make remarks online that might be construed as criticism of Islam.

I'll try and find a link.

My Swedish friends tell me it's why the rape numbers are fudged and general crime reporting is almost impossible if it includes an immigrant.

I'll look for links.

emily
Those that are not racist have no fear of being called racist.
Hahahahahahahaha
I'm sorry, but that is BOLLEAUX.

You implied I was a racist on the last thread. I asked you if you meant it. You never replied. So I assumed that you did mean it.

Fucking ironic, no, given my own genetic load?

"The swedes have also made it illegal to make remarks online that might be construed as criticism of Islam."

Great, that is so stupid.

you can go to Google translate and copy past the article to get an idea for yourself.

I am still so shaken by what this thread is revealing about my own ignorance. For example, I just searched for reporter attacked Egypt or something similar, to go back to that harrowing 60 min. Interview of the South African woman brutally assaulted in their square - to show to a friend. It came up with a French woman, a Dutch woman and an English woman ( all journalists) also attacked. Why is this news to me? Rhetorical question of course but it has shaken me to my very foundations and continues to do so.

Can anyone point me back to a fabulous post on the previous thread ( I think) where someone pointed out that we ( western liberal) tend to assume those of other religions are open to the same values as modern interpretation of Christianity - open to change, co-operative etc, and that this was naive and misplaced?

Also has anyone read the recent Graun offering? It was an opinion piece by a woman journalist surname Bhatti which I think was slightly less apologetic than previous pieces. But it's quite hard to find on the Graun website.

Lumela that is so funny

"Hahahahahahahaha"

I was going to post exactly the same as your first line earlier but I resisted [proud emoticon]

How do we deal with mass attacks on women/girls in large crowd situations? I've purposely avoided watching the clips of those mass attacks - I've seen others before & they are horrific to watch, you can almost feel the fear & panic those women & girls must go through - but realistically what practical measures can be taken for large gatherings that allows women/girls to continue to partake in public life & public events without fear of attack or intimidation?

I can possibly envisage some measures (increased monitoring, security, possible increased emergency police & judicial powers to expedite dealing with these large & dangerous crowds etc) for organised events - but what about those planned 'flash mob' type instances in public places where people get caught up in things when they are just going about their day to day lives?

How on earth can these attacks be dealt with?

I bet it is.

'Same as in Germany then. Welcome refugees, protect refugees from Neo-Nazis. Silence and ignore girls and women who are unable to go about their normal business'.

Pinkchamp, I already mentioned in the previous thread the numerous assults at Oktoberfest. Oktoberfest has been going on for years, with certain years having alrmingly high recordings of sexual attacks, some by groups. There was a safe area set up for women to go to there.

You only seem outraged by public attacks on women when they are carried out by those of a particular ethnicity.