Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting

"The infrastructure is crumbling because of the Tory past and present government, not because of immigrants

FTFY Emily,

This is not a red/blue divide and ties into claigs posts. Housebuilding has been well below target for nearly 2 decades. The immigration under labour has put strains on this. It is no good housing immigrants in the middle of the Lake District where there are no jobs etc.

The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Moreshabby, where have I made an excuse? I never have.

Lumela, 'Oh, nobody. But when I exercised it I was called a racist, and when I howled that one down, I was called bigoted and prejudiced'.

That is not your free speech being censored. It is someone disagreeing with you.

Emily 'housing is at breaking point'. This is because of the Tory government and their cuts to public services.

I am sorry but this is just idiocy. Housing supply in Britain is, in no way, directly dependent on public sector operational expenditure.

Meph People forget that when Tony Blair came into power (way back near the start of my education) he wanted to enable state schools to match the educational quality of private schools. He couldn't do this with funding or class sizes, so he copied their own individual curricula into the National curriculum. At the core of this was critical analysis ... Every wondered about the upsurge of anti-capitalism/anarchist protests near the end of the 90s? ...My generation was taught to deconstruct everything.

I am obviously a lot older than you, and I am afraid you are mistaken here.

I was at all those anti-capitalist, anti-globalisation protests in the late 90s, and the overwhelming majority of protestors were in their twenties or early thirties. They had been at school during the 80s; they were Thatcher's children, not Blair's.

Blair came to power in 97. The protests occurred between 98 and 2001. In many ways, those protests were the eventual outcome of a decade's worth of Generation X youth subcultures that advocated libertarian, mutualist principles that celebrated individualism in a tribalistic way: the most pronounced being the rave and free party scene.

They had bugger all to do with Blair's education reforms for the simple reason that everyone involved had left school and/or graduated from university before Blair came to power.

Emily you seem to disagree with anyone on this thread, cwhatever they write, don't you have a job to go to....child to make tea for...?it is mumnsnet after all!

Is it only me who thinks that the news media not covering stories like this damages everyone's freedom of speech?

BTW, I know when I'm being insulted, rather having 'someone disagree with me'.

People say I need to start my own thread, but this thread has become a thread using the Cologne attacks as a cover for to support limiting immigration. Why not have a new thread on immigration then?

1. You say that as though if the point of this thread was to talk about limiting immigration that was some sort of heinous crime.

The two issues are in my mind hand in hand.

Limiting immigration and helping the truly dispossessed are two different things.

Everyone bar you on this thread understands this. Everyone bar you and perhaps one other.

2. Most posters on this thread want to talk about the issues facing women right now in Europe. Its ironically you Emily, who is always dragging the discussion off course, you with your endless posts that are nothing to do with the nature of this thread.

They had bugger all to do with Blair's education reforms for the simple reason that everyone involved had left school and/or graduated from university before Blair came to power.
Agreed, Werkz.
I was taught to think for myself, in a very open-minded school, in the early Thatcher years.

DCs secondary school has cancelled trip to Hamborg due to concern of both teachers and parents. The France trip has gone up in price as now going by Eurostar direct to Paris. Fear once there is hard to control even for those trying not to stereotype.

Justanother, I wasn't talking about Claig's post. It was Helptheanimals. But anyway, I thought we were discussing what is happening now, which does seem the responsibility of the Tories, although I agree, previous gov probably played it's part. The act is, housing problems are because of government, not immigrants.

DespicableBee. If it bothers you how much I post,take it up with Mumsnet.

It was a joke 😀

Surrounded and peed on seven year old girl

That's interesting about cancelling school trips, apparently loads of tourists cancelled hotel bookings in cologne, I also read some comments on an American article people talking about cancelling trips to Europe as its too dangerous!

I must have been on the same demos as you werks. I remember being on the Criminal justice bill demo on a come down from the night before after ending up in whirligig, to dropping a load of chemicals and having a mini rave in the middle of Hyde park as the socialist workers kicked off at police.

/I digress

Do any of you have kids who are going to Europe on school trips?

Have you all left Europe already without telling us ?

I have a kid in mainland EU. As in here all the time. Right now he is five K away for basketball practice. And yes, I am more worried than usual.

His two best mates/team mates are a Moroccan Muslim and an Albanian Muslim respectively. They've all been friends since nursery school so I've had a long time to acclimatise to the fact that any time the three of them go out together there is the low, but real, risk of violence. Right now, given that we are in the Lega Nord heartlands, with the rolling news being what it is... although they aren't the most likely candidates to picked on, there is an increased risk of a racist scrote feeling all national hero and dishing out random retribution based on race/religion/nationality grounds.

So I think we are going to have to knock on the head the plan for the three of them gaining a little independence and catching the train together once the evenings get a little bit lighter. DH is just going to have to carry on dropping them off and picking them up for the time being.

The act is, housing problems are because of government, not immigrants

Agree, but immigrants have and do play there part, also the country doesn't reset itself every election just because it's a Tory government now doesn't mean the 13 years of labour government should be whitewashed (again dipping into claigs theory)

Willbeat,

'Most posters on this thread want to talk about the issues facing women right now in Europe. Its ironically you Emily, who is always dragging the discussion off course, you with your endless posts that are nothing to do with the nature of this thread'

So policing or lack of it has nothing to do with the attacks or the nature of this thread? That was mentioned in one my 'endless posts.' Also, I mentioned criminality, the impact that communities where there are few consequences for rape have on the likelihood of rape, the role of power and anger, the impact of male peer groups, hatred of women. Why do these things have nothing to do with sexual attacks on women in Cologne?

I've just watched the BBC 6 o'clock news. There was a (relatively) lengthy item about the numbers of Muslim women putting themselves at risk by travelling to Syria. Not a mention, not one word, of the hundreds of European women who've been put at risk (beyond their control) in their home towns by these mass sexual attacks.

We could all change the subject and talk about something else, eg the weather, big brother
Then she/he might leave as there would be no one to argue with....
I wonder if its going to rain tomorrow

I have an 11 year old DD travelling around Lindon on the tube alone!

The cologne carnival is first week in February, apparently there's a carnival women's day ....hopefully this will be well policed 😕

Yeah, but whatever we say, she'll just say the opposite

It's called being perverse and she is queen 👸🏼

"hey, emily, should I have saved this poor lost kitten from drowning?"

"No, of course not hiddenhome. Everyone knows kittens are dirty and harbour germs underneath their claws. They may inadvertently scratch a passing migrant and infect them with cat scratch fever. They would then need to visit the doctor and may become lost on their way to the clinic"

I was another of Thatcher's Children - I see we are well-represented on this thread!

At my school, there was a problem with flashers, and the school's response was to schedule self-defence classes for us: does this sort of thing still happen in schools? For those of you with pre-teens travelling on their own, learning a few simple moves might give them more confidence?

I will be honest, and say that when I have been attacked in the past, the thought of how to defend yourself goes a bit out of the window - except the time someone tried to stab me with a screwdriver and I broke his arm, but that was probably because I was thinking about the exam I was hurrying to - so I don't mean this from the sense of women must do something to protect themselves: but rather from the perspective that there are perhaps posters on here in mainland Europe whose DC are starting to get anxious etc