Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

Some lessons will have been learned, one is that certain sectors of society, however you want to define either, have found out that they can act however they like and, even better, from their point of view the police etc all do nothing.

Quite, Constance

Frankfurter,

'Women who were left behind in Syria who are dying. Men who have left their families in this situation have sold them down the river.'

They haven't. Blaming the men that have let for the bombing there and blockades against food aid is ridiculous and victim blaming.

Fourmummy, offering sanctuary to those fleeing war was not 'incompetence.'

Constance
The trouble with trying to make links is that you feel and seem paranoid.
Check out Mr Ethical aka nicholaswilson.com for a tangled web of banking,BBC, political intrigue and how bodies meant to regulate and protect do nothing or sometimes collude in the mess. Off topic, possibly Not off topic at all. I agree that we can go down some very strange paths but I defy anyone to produce a sensible, reasonable, 'take at face value' and believable explanation of current events in Europe.

That seems the take home message Constance.

Is it not also that Merkel saw an opportunity to gain needed immigration for Germany while doing a humanitarian good deed on a national scale. Ripping up Dublin protocol seemed the obvious way to go perhaps.

Claig is right... but I just don't know how (and I know that Claig says that this is not important; it's enough to know that things are happening, but people always search for explanations that they can come to themselves rather than absorb what has been handed down to them from an authority). Work beckons. Fascinating thread

No mention of the press, though to be fair whew isn't sake about that.?
FFS. Autocorrupt.
'she wasn't asked about that'.
In the web chat. Upthread.

Anyone know if the women's equality party have commented on this issue?
Do they still exist?

The problem is, immigration is an issue that everyone in the UK cares about. Look at the 1000s of comments on newspaper articles about the Cologne attacks (when comments were allowed, and most were shut down quickly too).

We CAN'T let this become an issue of far-right parties. But Corbyn, for one, is completely ignoring this issue (despite poll after poll revealing it's one of the top two or three issues that people are concerned about). The guy who was sacked in the recent Labour re-shuffle revealed in The Times this weekend that Labour has discussed immigration at cabinet level ONCE since the election - and only because he raised it. (And, he claims, wasn't listened to and was fobbed off).

sonya, the 'we need more people' line always seems a bit like pyramid selling to me. One minute we are being told robots will do more and more work, leaving humans redundant in more work roles. In the next breath we are told we need more people, yet what if there are no jobs, recession might be looming again, what if these people are not qualified in the roles which apparently need to be filled?

WEP are focused on selling event tickets and Top jobs for women.

Regenerationfez,

'There are terrible things done in the name of all religions, but it only changes when a light is shone on it by the authorities. When the state is in thrall to priests and holy men abuses continue, as we saw in the Catholic church for decades. If nobody is willing to challenge inhuman and objectionable practice's for fear of offending a culture it will never change. Why should it?'

Where is your evidence that the sexual assaults in Cologne were done in the name of religion? The facts are still emerging daily about the attacks there?

There is a lot of talk about sexual inequality on this thread, but the causes of rape and sexual assault are complex. As I stated earlier in the thread, there is no typical profile of a sex attacker. Is inequality between the sexes the prime cause of rape when many live in such societies and manage not to rape? The conclusion that the men carried out the attacks because of a particular religion or culture is a massive oversimplification and there are many factors to consider, the role of criminal and gang culture being one.

Mistress Mia,

'I don't want to derail this thread yet again, so I will stop posting any further, but your comments have confirmed once again how important it is that those of us who actually know Islam really need to get the truth out there'.

Where is your evidence that the men that carried out the attacks were Muslims and that the attacks occurred because of Islam? I am highly sceptical that you 'know' Islam. Poor treatment of women in some highly Muslim countries can be related to traditions, without any basis in the faith of Islam. Forced marriage, spousal abuse, and restricted movement directly contradict Islamic law governing family behavior and personal freedom.

lilypotter Mon 11-Jan-16 22:42:42

well noted Lilly, I noticed the sudden change in stance too. I guess its because now something has piqued Egos's personal interest..ie gay, trans issues that had not occurred before.

Despite the robot like output by aforementioned poster(s) we are still discussing this with more people contributing so intelligently and kindly and many more are probably probably reading with interest

Robotic being the key word.

'Is it not also that Merkel saw an opportunity to gain needed immigration for Germany while doing a humanitarian good deed on a national scale. '

Very unlikely. Don't forget that the great and the good gave Merkel the title of Time Person of the Year, which annoyed Trump when he joked that they should have given it to him. Merkel has done what they want, but she is a clever enough politician to realise that what she has done will split Germany and turn the German people against her. Her timme is now up but she won't care because the great and the good will reward and honour her, she knows that she can't stay in power for much longer and she is most probably tightly controlled anyway. The media says she did it because of a kind gesture but we all know that no politicians do anything for kind gestures particularly when it involves 1 million unchecked refugees from a different culture and from war zones to be invited into a country.

Here is the statement yesterday or the day before of another HHGerman government minister, the development minister

"Only 10% of migrants have reached Europe so far, claims German development minister as he warns up to ten million people are 'still on the way'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3393551/Only-10-migrants-reached-Europe-far-claims-German-development-minister-warns-ten-million-people-way.html

They are not allowing this to be kind, they have no choice. This is what the great and the good want.

What do they want it Claig? Overcrowding results in discord, disease etc.
Any study of overcrowded animals will show that.

Polenta

To be fair, I think most non-extremist Muslims and Christians would know this very well but the fundamentalists on both sides would probably want to string me up.

But nowhere have you mentioned 'fundamentalism or extremism. Rather, your arguments are based in sweeping generalisations about the Muslim faith.

*Germany this week finalized a deal with Facebook, Google, and Twitter to censor German "hate speech" about migrants and refugees on social media — though it's not clear at all where the line lies

Sweden has already done similar.*

Is there a link for this?

If it's true, it feels like pretty much the beginning of the end for free speech, one of the core tenets of democracy.

Maybe we need to somehow get one MP into parliament, an independent one, who just speaks out about women's rights

sonya, the 'we need more people' line always seems a bit like pyramid selling to me.
Indeed. Even if people's jobs are not replaced by robots/computers, at some point we're going to have to cope with an ageing population, worldwide. It's that or continuous population growth, of which I am not a fan, being rather fond of wildlife, forests n'stuff.

Anyway, no reply yet to my emails except from UKIP. I find this pretty depressing. Mind you, perhaps the lack of any 'Thank you for enquiry. Your M(E)P has noted your concerns' bollocks means that they are passing it round the office going 'Oh, arse: how do we deal with this one?'

Emily, maybe people just think we've got enough of our own home criminals, undesirables without importing any more, so to speak, to perhaps go back to your earlier conflating of Octoberfest and NYE2016.

Great post on page 16 IPOST excellent.

You don't really need a whole political party, eg women's equality party, just one independent would do, because they could bring up women's rights in relation to anything.

Venezuela have plenty of oil. Why aren't we buying from them?

We should also be developing credible and reliable sources of power away from oil so that we don't need to rely on the ME.

Ditch them and see them run out of money for weapons.

Yes it as logical as the pyramid selling derided on some MN threads!