Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

You want to know why it happens? Read this then get back to us for a discussion.

foreignpolicy.com/2012/04/23/why-do-they-hate-us/

Constancegardner. Access to legal aid was severely curtailed to the regular joe in the street, diverting taxpayer funds to legal advice & support of migrants and asylum seekers pursuing their Permission to Remain document. Something had to give.

2016 that is what has happened to my thinking. I was OK with the minor irritations of EU corruption as i want uk to be part of the wider world. But the evidence is that see the ruling groups in Germany and Sweden are to my thinking ' away with the fairies'.

My previous gripe was that whereas extra virgin olive oil from California is usually what it says on the label whereas to expect that from southern EU producers is too much apparently!
Sorry for derail.

Good example Lumela. I often find incompetence explains more than malice. It's a bit like the theory of "normal accidents." It's never one big thing but a series of small blunders that get out of control before anyone notices.

In this case the handling of the immigration crisis was incompetent and ruled by emotion and idealism without much thinking. Then the malice came in when officials lied about what was happening to cover their incompetence. The next iteration is now that they censor free speech to stop people critising their incompetence and lying.

The steady irrossion of free speech is the most worrying aspect of all this. Our laws, culture, and institutions all rely on free speech. It's a package. Without free speech and transparency the whole system goes out of balance and doesn't work. There is a very controlling, sinsister, "the ends justify the means" feeling coming from the left on the Continent.

Excellent posts, JustWunderinZ and 2016. Frightening developments, absolutely sickening.

Sonya it's a lot worse than away with the fairies. "Away with the fairies" sounds like they are gentle, dale minded souls. Instead, they are being actively nasty. Throwing women, particularly young women under the bus.

Irrossion = erosion

Help, yes know about cuts to legal aid, I think the thrust of the article was the dubious nature of having someone who has access t public funds funnelling it to their own pet projects, migrant charity, in this case.
Not to mention why some people may not have papers on them, or false ones.
I'm all for helping people who deserve it but not for helping people who want to do harm here or change lives for the worse

Mistress

You say reactionary, I say pragmatic. Potayto, potarto.

I think secular, feminist Muslims (especially the one I saw ripping an utter arsehole of an Iman to bits with her Tongue Of Steely Logic on Egyptian telly) deserve an EU state funded stadium tour. With Maz Jobrani and the rest of the Axis of Evil crew opening and closing for them. To widen the appeal. Becuase they could do with popular exposure and "non stoney ground", Muslim and not Muslim, can only benefit from the abundant seeds on offer.

But the bums on seats will not be my "stoney ground" opposites. (Not unless they are there with the sole intent to be wilfully offended, heckle or compile their spreadsheet as per who is letting the side down by laughing or nodding). The bums on seats looking to engage with the content will be the ones who aren't firmly wedded to a fixed set of beliefs. Which means it is highly unlikely they were ever part of the issue we are looking to fix. So as a solution to the current issue it fails becuase it is aimed at preaching to the choir and the people considering applying for the choir.

I'm a teacher. I am very pro education. But Education ! is all too often glibly wafted about as the solution to all ills. Except when you ask who, when, where, why, what, which, how ?... it all gets a bit woolly and vague.

Woolly and Vague is not exactly a killer Ed-Solution with a strong evidence base to support it.

So no. When people waggle Education ! as a solution to this specific set of events (horrifying attacks, media silence, gov. minimising/victim blaming) I get "reactionary" about where limited resources and energies should be diverted. Particularly given that due to my own long standing experience as an immigrant I highly doubt any state funded education in this sphere is ever going to make the tiniest dent on the mindset of anybody with strongly held beliefs.

Education ! Will not persuade Germans, Swedes and Finns that the females amoung them are safe to go to and from work, school and the shops. Nor will it make any real impact on reducing growing anger.

Education ! Will not cut the hay making far right's knees from under them by demonstrating the state's ability to take back control of the streets 24/7 and restore confidence that order has been restored.

Education ! Will do jack shit to avoid yet more victims being created in the short to medium term. And the tolerance for more victims being created could not be any lower.

Education ! Will do nothing to help the victims who have already been created. Especially when they get to compare their physical and emotional scars to the threat of "reprisals by textbook !"

All the above need solutions, yesterday. They will all require more funds and resources than we actually have. If we ignore them we are fucked.

But if anybody thinks I'm wrong and Education ! will work on the problem people, at a pace that meets our needs, and is worth diverting funds to, they have the perfect opportunity to demonstrate just how wrong I am. My feminism is as deeply embedded in me as your average "problematic" Muslim male's mysogeny is in him.

Tell me how you would educate the feminist out of me. Because that is the scale and type of volte-face we are talking about. That is the aim the education is going to have to have, in order to have any real impact outside the classroom, on the people actually being/condoning a problem, in the time frames we have available.

If the chosen stratagies won't work on me, they won't work on my patriarchy loving opposite.

The fact that I am in the right and he is in the wrong does not mean we have special "woolly and vague" Education ! kryptonite that will smite his misogeny out of him when we (metaphorically) bop him on the head with a specially designed tick box sheet.

If state funded, it will have tick boxes. Magic, or otherwise.

Dale = addle

Agree, as important as education is; it us not a universal solution to all problems.

2016 I have a double whammy of conditioning to be kind : being both a female by birth and "polite socialist working class" by upbringing!

MistressMia: "Ex-Niqabi's who once parroted how Islam gave women so many rights have done a 180 degrees when faced with incontrovertible evidence to the contrary."

I have been approached by young Muslim women (born in UK) in the high street in burkas who have tried to engage me in conversation. I have said that they are being impolite to me, because they can see my whole face but I cannot see theirs. I've asked why it is that their mothers who were born outside of UK never wore burkas, and sometimes not even a scarf. I was told that it was their "choice". This is religious fervour coming not from the parents but from outside the home. And it starts with looking different. I think the unspoken point is that these young women want to look different because (i) they want to be different, and (ii) they feel that they are better than the rest of the non-muslim population.

I'm a lot less "nice" than I used to be.

I am becoming rather awkward in my middle age.

What I don't have is a fear of being a Nazi I guess. Sorry as that may sound glib. I have had such lovely German friends and they scrupulously distance themselves from that episode in their history. I see their bind.

Talking of education - the Paris attacks were discussed at DS school here (He is nearly 7) his teacher told us that a lot of the children were moved to tears but she said it was important that it was discussed.
He went back to school yesterday. Have a guess if the mass sexual attacks on New Year's Eve were discussed at all?
Nothing.
So they can find the words to discuss people being gunned down in Paris but not to discuss sexual attacks? The children hear parents discussing it and aware to a certain extent of what went on but the fact that the school ignores it...
What sort of message does this send out?
I might ask his teacher if they have any plans to discuss it - I don't hold out much hope though.

Lumela and 2016 Great posts. Thank you. History lessons most welcome, so more please!

I can see exactly what you are both saying and I am generally in broad agreement although where I do disagree is that I am tending toward seeing an 'extra' layer of political decision making, which is often self-serving (on an individual, group or organisational level). So, personalities, bungling, incompetence, will to do the right thing, etc. are all important factors in political decision making BUT I just can't shake the thought that certain interests are upheld over others but are then buried or obfuscated. Perhaps a more accurate description of my position would be that of 'strategic/partisan bungling'. For example, the '70s oil crisis showed that SA variously raised and lowered oil prices to influence American action, which in turn allowed SA to buy weapons and spread their doctrine while US looked away. Why? Certain people got rich, certain groups got to push forward their ideology, others benefitted strategically, etc.. Most people would probably see these actions as just 'normal' political relations. I would love to be able to apply Occam's Razor but, after trying and trying, just can't

I wonder if anyone emailing their MP has received a reply, I haven't.

Absolutely brilliant, iPost.

Did woman's Hour mention it at all?

The New Statesman: "I am wondering how long it will take before we have ID cards and Australian-style detention centers in Europe."

Years ago, when first discussed, I was thoroughly against them but now I think it is the way to go. However, its introduction will also give work to the forgers.

"The perpetrators committing these atrocities are just laughing at the inability of anyone to actually do anything. They also do not want to integrate nor do they want to be part of a liberal western society."

The incidents sort of beg the question, why do this? If they are refugees, why draw attention to themselves in this way?

I think (at the unconscious level) what these young men are engaging in is a process which might be called "sounding out the enemy." They are deliberately behaving outrageously just to see what they can get away with.

And so far, it seems like they can get away with rather a lot. Most of the perps were not caught, those who have been caught probably will not be deported, and there are still plenty of people on the left willing to make all sorts of excused for the poor tragic lost boys who did this.

Just wait till the weather gets warmer and we start having proper festivals and outdoor events, and those nice long evenings.

I posted this on the wrong thread last night but wanted to share my thoughts here.

It is incredible.

After four threads and lots of venting, sharing, discussing and reflecting, the crux of the matter remains:

It is 100% socially and politically not acceptable to openly debate and challenge the misogynist culture of Muslim immigrants, even where women are harassed, raped, mutilated and murdered. But it is ok to challenge the misogynist culture of other groups, why is that?

Sadly, I don't think that anyone will be able to challenge the islamist aspect of gender-based violence without being silenced, ridiculed or without loosing their credibility by being labelled a racist.

It's what Claig has been saying all along. The political correctness where immigrants, especially Muslims are concerned forbids us to challenge anything Muslims do in the West. That's it. I think this is because the interests of Islam in Europe are promoted by some very powerful people, not only in this country but overseas.

"Years ago, when first discussed, I was thoroughly against them but now I think it is the way to go. However, its introduction will also give work to the forgers."

Yup, I agree. It's not something I would ever have wanted to see, but they may turn out to be the lessor of the possible evils.

In the new Europe, we may find ourselves having to be a lot more heavy handed about all kinds of things, because authorities will no longer be able to work on the assumption that "most people are law-abiding citizens who will not take the piss and can basically be trusted."

Biometrics might perhaps help with the forging issue.

www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/assaults-at-the-stockholm-festival-have-never-been-fully-investigated/

and yet more attacks against women covered up. How depressing that this really just is the tip of the iceberg.