Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

The perpetrators committing these atrocities are just laughing at the inability of anyone to actually do anything. They also do not want to integrate nor do they want to be part of a liberal western society. If they have no intention of integrating they will never work here in Germany and never be able to legally earn money. This means they will be reliant on the lucrative earnings from pick pocketing and selling stolen goods.
One "refugee" was interviewed about why he had in his possession a mobile phone which was not his. He claimed he had bought it from someone in Düsseldorf. Many of the phones stolen on NYE were traced back to refugee camps but since no one had any explanation of why the phones they were there nothing could be done.
Meanwhile the real victims are once again the women.
Women who were left behind in Syria who are dying. Men who have left their families in this situation have sold them down the river.
Women who were attacked and told by the police "I can't do anything unless you can point out who did this to you"
Women who were effectively silenced by the actions of the police - putting the fear of racial tensions before the safety of women.
Women (including me and my daughter) who should have the right to live here without the fear of being the victim of sexual attacks and or theft and no longer feel safe.
The real victims in this - once again women and the world just turns its back.
Anyone who suggests that there is any control at all over who is coming into any European country claiming to be a refugee or an aysylum seeker is sadly misinformed. Even people who actually have the right to claim asylum here have fake passports with them as they were brought through by people smugglers. So those who are not entitled to seek asylum and those who are not refugees are not going to be travelling with a legal passport and cannot therefore be officially identified when they cross any border into any country.
The genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.

I am wondering how long it will take before we have ID cards and Australian-style detention centers in Europe.

Because I see no other way round this.

Sad that it has to come to this, really.

That's how I feel about the discussion on the German boards as well nosuchthing there is like a massive gaping space between the two sides and nothing to bridge it.
I read the write up about Hart, aber fair in Spiegel and the guy who writes these is so biased and sneery it's impossible to tell what actually was said during the debate.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2545396-Can-a-representative-from-the-BBC-and-Guardian-be-called-to-do-a-webchat-to-discuss-events-in-Cologne-on-NYE?watched=1&msgid=58615016#58615016

Good news.

there is like a massive gaping space between the two sides and nothing to bridge it.

Which is what happens when people with nuanced views are "othered" into being afraid to speak for fear of being accused of being right-wing and "vile" (a favourite word of those who engage in such activities on Mumsnet, at least).

www.independent.co.uk/voices/in-light-of-the-cologne-attacks-we-need-to-face-facts-not-all-refugees-are-saints-a6806491.html
This is a good article

Attacks on women are inexcusable. But don't we see the bigger issue that we should get very worried about indeed. Whatever happened to the right to free speech? You are free to speak as long as it's not certain issues. Now various European governments have passed or are in the process of passing these 'anti terrorist' laws which effectively are going to be used to monitor and stifle social media, regular media is pretty much well controlled already- have we not seen this first hand in the last 12 days? Westerners will end up living in a replica of Soviet Block reality, where they can only really talk freely in the confines of their house to trusted like-minded friends. Public spaces and outlets will be strictly controlled. So sad to see the western values being slowly but surely eroded. I can't believe this is happening

Lumela - I don't think there is any deep-laid plot. It's just that government policy and 'the official mind' are a bit like an oil tanker: they take a bloody long time to really change direction. I am not a 'conspiracy theorist' but it has become clear to me that deals are struck and plans are made without democratic consultation. There is evidence for this once historical documents are publicly released. Things are not right at the moment and I alternate between abject fear and a desperate need to know why certain things are happening and touching our lives on a daily basis (I really wish that I could go back to the routine of work, children, house, evening tv, occasional night out without much thought to how my daughter should dress, where she should walk, which areas I should avoid, what I have to read about in the papers, the cognitive dissonance that I have to experience when trying to square a circle regarding beliefs and practices of groups subscribing to incomprehensibly (to me) different beliefs. The list goes on). This is one of the reasons why I keep on returning to the thread - I may be able to pick up a piece of info that will come closer to completing the jigsaw puzzle for me. Basically, I find it hard to believe that any major historical events were the result of bungled decision making. There is usually an end goal. How could a clear-headed, pragmatic and intelligent politician (Merkel) make a decision that ordinary citizens could see would be disastrous in terms of so many factors, where we would wake up to reading about drownings, civil unrest, the rise of fascism, desperation of so many people, the hatred toward us of so many people? What is driving this? I honestly don't think that it's merely incompetence.

carla thank you for you interesting contributions here and in the lobbying thread.

I think 'social tensions' are being heightened by the absolute lack of robust discussion.

And as recent posters are debating, the media control is a reality, not a paranoid delusion.

This incredible discussion will grow organically and range across many areas, some of which may make uncomfortable reading and I applaud those who are tingling and learning together, whether we all agree on everything or not.

I wonder what the agenda is, closing down this debate.

Economic? All unfettered immigration will boost our workforce?

Social? Skewing the demographics of society so that some other agenda can be applied?

Misguided liberalism? All people are inherently good and want only to bring up a nuclear family in responsible safety?

I have agreed with much of what you have said but I believe that this is only the beginning of such a wider, crucial discussion.

What is really difficult in talking about any religion is in knowing where religion dictates culture and where culture interprets religion to create authority.

But not all of the people concerned are refugees. A lot of real refugees are still back in Syria dying.

Did anyone post about the cologne attacks on the live webchat with the MP
She ignored all our questions on this subject

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/2544345-Webchat-with-Mhairi-Black-MP-Tuesday-12-January-11am-12pm?pg=4&order=

The webchat starts at 11 today.

Awesome article polentapie! I will be sharing it with friends and family. Dougherty articulates my thoughts and feelings better than I can myself.
theweek.com/articles/598070/morally-repugnant-response-cologne-sexual-assault-gang

I agree vertigonun there is a definite undercurrent that the women and girls are a bit of a nuisance in all this. Their safety and rights seem to be a tiresome side issue.

Meanwhile Woman's Hour are discussing fussy eaters today... I feel so let down by this. I have listened to Woman's Hour for a good few years and and normally learn something from their guests. Again we are being ignored and by the very programme that should be tackling this subject.

Earlier someone said a business leader they jnew had said "storm in a teacup" about Cologne.

Spoken as someone who believes his wealth will protect anyone close to him. It will be a natural response from many who are in positions of influence.

Did you see my earlier link today? MNHQ have contacted the press office of BBC and Guardian, to discuss our concerns.

I can see the pickle woman's hour is in. Don't agree with them mind.

Sorry if mentioned but it's on Radio 5 now... Adrian Chiles.

I can also understand it but it just confirms the general media attitude to this issue.

Basically, I find it hard to believe that any major historical events were the result of bungled decision making.
four, I wish the world was as well as you hope it is. I spend time in archives, photographing endless documents, which I then spend hours reading and from which I try to deduce what the blazes went on.

TLDR version: great historical events can be caused by a huge complex of factors, beyond long-term strategy or short-term bungling.

Example:
Read no further if you don't want a history lesson.
The fall of Singapore in 1942 was a pretty major historical event ('greatest ever defeat of British arms', 'a turning point in World War II' etc etc). It was caused by a whole mass of factors some of which include:

1. Economic: money was tight so Britain was not willing to invest in the 'Singapore strategy' of naval defence for south-east Asia in the 1930s.
2. Political: plenty of MPs didn't what whatever £££ were available to be spent on Singapore's naval base
3. Incompetence/unwillingness to face the facts/admit things had changed: nobody thought up an alternative (bungling)
4. Distraction: the outbreak of WWII in Europe meant nobody with a hand near the helm in London had the time/energy/money to think too hard about that far away colony, Singapore (Justifiable bungling)
5. Lack of A Grade officials: All the really good military brass were busy in Europe and North Africa. Singapore and Malaya got General Percival. He was a nice man, with a conscience, but he had a complex about trench warfare, irregular warfare and fixed defences, so he did next to nothing to build defences in Malaya and Singapore. (People who bungled)

6: Misjudgement: Churchill et all did not seriously think that the Japanese would be stupid enough to go to war against Britain and America,when they were already tied up in China. They were stupid enough - or at least, the Japanese Army was. The Japanese Navy, not so much. (Bungling by both sides)

1. Racism: It was widely thought in London that the Japanese would be rubbish fighters anyway, what with not being fine upstanding Anglo-Saxon types. How wrong they were. (Arrogance and stupidity)

So, with this one... I don't know. I think there's been bungling and grandstanding and virtue-signalling and innocence and stupidity, some of it driven by human compassion, some by an urge to make political capital. That said, will I surprised if something murky appears? No, not really.

Sorry, long post and rather off topic, but I think it's important to remember that simple explanations are rarely adequate explanations.

I will bore off now.

As well RUN as you think it is
Argh!

I am listening to 5Live now - thanks Bavmorda.

JustWunderinZ, I agree. The steady irrossion of free speech is the most worrying aspect of all this. Our laws, culture, and institutions all rely on free speech. It's a package. Without free speech and transparency the whole system goes out of balance and doesn't work. There is a very controlling, sinsister, "the ends justify the means" feeling coming from the left on the Continent. I feel grateful to be in Britain and anxious to keep Britain free. Seriously considering voting OUT. Something that would never have crossed my mind previously.

WH are beyond pathetic.
Did anyone see an article in the Telegraph a few days ago and I think there was one in the Mail yesterday.i thought I'd saved the Telefraph one and only skim read it so am hazy on the details. Something about a tax payer funded body which funds a kind of legal aid. Apparently it uses most of its funds fighting for legal rights for people who have come into the country illegally (false passport, walking through the tunnel for example) and actively seeks out such potential clients, the article implied it turned away other causes in need in favour of migrants.
Also one of the head honchos of this organisation is a head honcho of a refugee advocacy group. Seems a bit dubious to me. I do understand that legit refugees may not have papers but am also sceptical as it would be an ideal way to enter a country to commit nefarious practices. Just saying.
Disclaimer, I may not be correct, I'm just going on my hazy memory which is why I'd like to re read but can't find it at the mo.