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Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

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VertigoNun · 11/01/2016 12:14

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.Sad

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DeeDee33 · 11/01/2016 21:21

So, to get back to the point. We can't just throw up our hands and say 'so long as we have male immigrants from countries with unbearable sexual politics, we'll be importing those unbearable sexual politics, so ban them all - because that isn't going to happen, and I think most of us feel that would be wrong and unfair on a lot of non-revolting men in dire need.

What we do need to do I think is (and this is just off the top of my head):
Here (in Europe):
Demand much much much much better policing of sexual harassment (and street violence generally). Intelligence based so police can detect any patterns of behaviour, in any groups. Women absolutely must feel confident to come forward.
Make it clear that you don't 'get away with' this kind of thing in Europe, it is not tolerated, it won't be disregarded either because you are from a vulnerable group - or, equally, because you aren't.
Work to understand what was going on, and whether housing and work would lessen the opportunities or inclination for this aggressive behaviour, and whether it would save more in policing costs than it would cost to establish.

What we need to do as women, is to work with our sisters Europe-wide and internationally to develop, establish and strengthen our rights as women, and to work for the social equalities that benefit everyone, not just women and girls.

When I was very young I considered myself part of an international women's movement. Other political passions took over, but its almost like the blood coming back to a foot you've sat on so long it went numb.

Someone upthread suggested that it took us 200 years to win our rights in Europe so its going to take women in these other countries as long. But I don't think that's the case. There are powerful feminists writers and thinkers all over the world, and they have access to the internet, so we ought to be able to work together. There is still an international women's movement we can all become more active in, surely? (even if I've not paid it a lot of heed lately Blush )

One thing I think we can do internationally is to keep on keeping on about specifically feminist aspects of human rights when our government or corporations are cosying up to overseas governments and corporations where some of the most egregious abuses are not being tackled. Just drip drip drip to make it unacceptable for donors/trade partners/etc to ignore.

Why would we not want to challenge - actively - the awful treatment of women in Egypt such as we have seen in those horrifying videos. I don't know what specifically we can do to support and help women elsewhere, but surely its right to help if we can. And anyway, the more and more people move about (and it is, of course, going to be more and more) the more their problems are our problems. The abuse meted out to , say, Moroccan women, more and more becomes the abuse meted out to us.

In turn of course people (men and women) are suffering horribly because of what our governments are doing. We should listen to these issues too and help where we can. Because its the right thing to do. Because the worse their problems, generally, the worse our problems. (And also because it distinguishes us helpfully from the bigots and racists, which is sometimes helpful)

emilybohemia · 11/01/2016 21:22

Ok Lumela, shall I modify it to prejudiced and bigoted then? That do ya?

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 11/01/2016 21:22

Watching the man talking in the clip that Wilde posted about him and his six friends having raped a German girl, a virgin, it comes across that these migrants or children of migrants desire not just to rape but - as he himself says - to DESTROY a girl. They take enormous pleasure in the condition they leave her in and to top it all they spit on her - because now she is used goods. I wondered what happend to that girl; how do you come back from something like that?

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 11/01/2016 21:27

Wordsaremyeverything. I have that link, it was from hiddenhome2. Go to

hiddenhome2 Sun 10-Jan-16 16:45:48
'The price of peace is eternal vigilance'

The moderate peoples of Europe assume that everyone is as they are - reasonable, humane, accommodating etc.

Egosumquisum · 11/01/2016 21:27

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emilybohemia · 11/01/2016 21:28

Help, if you don't speak the same language as the man in the clip,how on earth do you know the translation is reliable? It is posted on a channel called, 'Face of a dying Nation.' He could be bragging about anything, surely? It seems odd to be so outraged by something that could easily be far right propaganda.

Pinkchampchoccies · 11/01/2016 21:29

"Why would we not want to challenge - actively - the awful treatment of women in Egypt such as we have seen in those horrifying videos."

I agree. Brilliant post Dee.

Wordsaremything · 11/01/2016 21:29

Animals - thanks so much. Smile

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 11/01/2016 21:31

Great post deedee.

ABetaDad1 · 11/01/2016 21:32

You may find this interesting [[http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/man-who-stormed-paris-police-station-meat-cleaver-tied-german-sex-attacks Man Who Stormed Paris Police Station With Meat Cleaver Tied To German Sex Attacks]].

"..... his name "could be" Tarek Belgacem but he posed as an asylum seeker using the name Walid Salihi. "The man had already been classed by German police as potentially dangerous after he posed at the refugee centre with an IS flag, but he disappeared in December," AFP notes, citing Spiegel. "He travelled across Europe and made (asylum) requests everywhere," German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere told ZDF television. "He had a criminal past," de Maiziere added.

That criminal past allegedly includes a 2014 arrest for sexual assault in Cologne (no less) where Salihi (or Belgacem or whoever he actually is) purportedly "rubbed the behinds of females' and touched their intimate parts," The Daily Mail says, referencing a German police report. "In February 2014, the terrorist was captured by the police, because he [was] in a Cologne Disco women harassed, took the victims to the rear and in the genital area. In the same month he should beat up a homeless man attacked a passerby, who strangled a roommate," a clumsy translation of Bild's account reads.

Here's more from the Daily Mail:

Officially he is registered as Walid Salihi, 18, who was seeking asylum seeker in Germany. In France he said he was 20, Moroccan and called Tarek Belgacem. He also pretended in turn to be a Georgian and a Tunisian.

Police initially identified him as Sallah Ali, born in 1995 in Casablanca, Morocco, a homeless man who was arrested for theft in the Var region of southern France in 2013."

Basically the man shot by Paris police a week or so ago had been drifting around Europe under various names committing various low level crimes including sex assaults in Germany last year and posing as an asylum seeker of various nationalities.

Many of the men who carried out the Cologne attacks undoubtedly will have similar backgrounds and will no doubt in the main disappear. They are not refugees or genuine asylum seekers. The man shot by Paris police was a low life criminal in his own country and brought that to Europe under the guise of asylum/refugee status. Some of these people are no doubt entering the UK illegally or seeking asylum.

polentapies · 11/01/2016 21:33

Below is an article re the Tahir Sq attacks, specifically in reference to the silencing of women. TBH it is quite galling that the Guardian acknowledges this tactic of attacking women as a means to intimidate, but then were mealy mouthed on the NYE attacks.

I still believe that these attacks were organised. I think it's going to come out. Surely there could be an analysis of the phone/internet/SMS messages? The NSA were spying on Merkel's phone messages for God's sake, as they are on the rest of the bloody world, according to Snowden, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility to establish if it has been organised ?

I think we have not seen the last of these attacks.

www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/egyptian-women-protesters-sexually-assaulted?CMP=share_btn_tw

Pinkchampchoccies · 11/01/2016 21:33

betadad thank you. I posted about his huy on the last thread. I think its interesting and another reason why German politicians are ting themselves in knows right now.

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 11/01/2016 21:33

I can't link to any articles but a poster on here in the past has linked to sweden I think and the hidden rape and abuse of white swedish women by immigrants, its an open hidden secret. Hopefully poster is out there to link again.

The stats were skewed to make it look less obv.

Somewhere else I think Amsterdam they have a problem with pretty boys? Men mostly of Moroccan decent who deliberate entice the girls and get them into prostitution and stuff.

Sorry for being vague, this was all posted in the wake of Rotherham.

venusinscorpio · 11/01/2016 21:34

I wondered what happend to that girl; how do you come back from something like that?

It's horrible. But some people (both posters commenting on this thread and columnists in the liberal/left media) think we should try to understand and feel compassion that these poor suffering men will want to have a little power over someone, and any (privileged) Western girls and women they assault are pretty much collateral damage. At least they have expensive smartphones and can go out on New Year's Eve, eh? I can't quite get my head around that mentality.

DeeDee33 · 11/01/2016 21:36

If that was done to one German girl (woman?), it is presumably being done to a lot more women in other countries? And is obviously just as dreadful if so.

Or is it an act of racism/war on the part of the perpetrators?

If it happens to women 'at home' (were these one's Afghan? I'm losing track) Its all the same struggle. And it isn't inevitable. Granted there are some pretty rank men who have been raised in the European culture too, but such a level of hate and vileness is presumably driven by something that there isn't so much of here.

If it was because she was German, or European, then why? I bloody want to know.

Pinkchampchoccies · 11/01/2016 21:36

Germany sending migrants back to Australia On the BBC now.

emilybohemia · 11/01/2016 21:37

Wilde, how do you know what the guy in the video you posted is saying? Do you speak the same language? He could be saying anything. Anyone can post a video of someone saying something with false subtitles underneath.

Pinkchampchoccies · 11/01/2016 21:38

And trending on the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35243482
"Cologne Mayor's 'code of conduct' to prevent sexual assault angers many"

LumelaMme · 11/01/2016 21:39

emily, you are one of the most obstinate, rude and unpleasant posters I... No hang, on, sweetie, you are THE most obstinate, rude and unpleasant poster it has ever been my misfortune to deal with.

I can only assume that you haven't actually read my posts properly. Either that or you have no fucking idea what prejudiced and bigoted really looks like.

Everyone else, gather round. Look at me. I am 'prejudiced' and 'bigoted' because I'm concerned that mass immigration from countries where the abuse of women is widespread and in some cases enshrined in law might cause problems for women here. I'm 'prejudiced' and 'bigoted' because I worry about the lives of women who live in those countries. I'm 'prejudiced' and 'bigoted' because I commented that I didn't like the anti-Muslim nature of comments o a video link.

Fucking hell. It's like being caught in a fable written by the bastard love-child of George Orwell and Franz Kafka.

hefzi · 11/01/2016 21:39

Excellent post up there, Dee

VertigoNun · 11/01/2016 21:41

I just reported yet again. Really best to ignore.

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HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 11/01/2016 21:41

I do speak some German and the translation is correct. YOU are the propagandist on here. I told you on Thread III that I had rumbled you, matey. You are not even female. We have noticed that your work shifts are long - hope they pay you well for all your efforts.

LongWayRound · 11/01/2016 21:41

emily The guy in the video is speaking German. The soundtrack is a bit unclear but the subtitles seem pretty accurate.

LongWayRound · 11/01/2016 21:42

x-post with Help

polentapies · 11/01/2016 21:42

Lumela

"It's like being caught in a fable written by the bastard love-child of George Orwell and Franz Kafka."

Oh fuck, that made me laugh!

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