Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

'I think that the time is wrong for another Scottish referendum.'

I don't think they would win an independence for Scotland referendum now. The way the world has changed in one year with oil prices on the floor and the near threat of WWIII and the refugee crisis and all the rest of the upheavals means that people will probably opt for security and to conserve things as they are.

Things are changing so fast that the SNP won't be able to keep up.

We are also on the verge of another financial meltdown. The same old faces saying the same old things like Sturgeon says are now history.

If we vote to leave the EU (which I think will happen) it will shake the EU to the core and set off a chain reaction that ends the EU. Sturgeon won't be able to keep up.

Stay.

howabout

but some of your list, eg, Health and Education are devolved and have been under the complete control of the SNP for a long time?

claig
I hope you are right?
But the SNP say oil prices were / are irrelevant, will have an open door policy to migrants, and are desperate to stay in / rejoin the EU. All reasons to run in the opposite direction of England (which drives much of their policy)
I don't think there is any clear thinking going on.
As for voters, I think that Smith HAS been poorly implemented, Corbyn/Scottish labour have no credibility, Tories will be finished after the Brexit vote (whichever way it goes), so I CAN see SNP popularity increasing esp on back of huge majority in May
But that means the one party state of Sturgeons SNP for the foreseeable for Scotland, and that is not a good thing for democracy or accountability

'But the SNP say oil prices were / are irrelevant, will have an open door policy to migrants, and are desperate to stay in / rejoin the EU'

Yes because they are the political class. But wait until we hear what the people say about it. The EU has been totally discredited after what Germany and the Troika did to Greece and after what Merkel did with the refugees. The political class won't admit it because they are all in it together but the people are going to disagree with them. unfortunately we also have a useless modrnising class of Oxbridge conservatives who are for the EU and all the nonsense. But after we leave the EU, we will probably get some real conservatives that appeal to the people again.

'Tories will be finished after the Brexit vote (whichever way it goes)'

If we leave the EU then all of the Establishment who voted for us to stay in will be finished and be totally discredited - the Cameron conservatives, Corbyn and Labour, the SNP etc.

Boris Johnson, who is only along for the ride, and more importantly Michael Gove, who is serious, will be the winners and the county will reward them for having stood with the people against the Establishment.

wheel that is the point. They are under SNP control but the Barnet formula means that they are within the Westminster budgetary envelope and then for things like the bedroom tax they have to be mitigated out of other public services.

I see we mostly agree on Claig's points.

More and more poorer countries are applying to join the EU. Are we expected to pay?

Definitely want to leave.

Indeed.
And - bye-bye Scotland - missin' ya already - not.

I think we live in different times now, and saying that we need other countries to look out for us with regards to healthcare, new laws etc is feeble at best. Look at the petitions that the Internet has enabled to happen, the men b one being the latest. Are we really not capable, in this age of Twitter, to let our feelings be known, and felt!? Why do we honestly need human rights acts, when one Twitter or other social media campaign can change things faster than any Eurocrat lawyer?

BBC invited Galloway onto the Daily Politics.

Predictable ruck.

Mandarins and Establishment laughing their heads off at the act.

In fact, I expect the BBC bigwigs will invite Galloway onto Question Time as the referendum nears so that Galloway can play out his act so that the Establishment can rub their hands.

He'll probably be planted on lots of BBC programmes to do his spolier spiel.

Claig
I hope 'the people' DO have strong feelings about it (that are based on facts not just 'tribal loyalty). I despaired during the IndyRef.
I worry that DC will persuade people to stay IN the EU and will strengthen his vote. Boris is a whore imo who is voting tactically with his eye on the PM's job. Gove is not popular so I don't think he will do well with the public whatever happens.
It's all pretty dismal.

howabout
I have 2 children in the Scottish 'education' system under the SNP and both H and I have had recent serious health issues. The utter farce of the former, and the woeful inadequacy of the latter (actually both terms apply to both) is not down to the Barnet formula. It is down to the SNP, as is the Forth Bridge debacle, the Named Person debacle (illegal, anyone?) and the brainwashed hoopla that is Holyrood.

The Establishement must bloody LOVE Galloway

wheelofapps, you may be right. I agree with you that Boris is not serious.

Ha I won my bet, I knew it wouldn't be long before Russell Brand felt compelled to spout his usual utterly mad garbage.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/russell-brand-brands-boris-johnson-a-jihadi-john-machine-in-bizarre-facebook-rant-a3186331.html

I think Boris joining Leave will be a big boost - have to wait and see.

'I think Boris joining Leave will be a big boost '

I agree because he is a big figure so all the scare and fear arguments won't fool the public because Boris will refute them.

Please stay

Just watched that debate on BBC1 after EE. The debate was far too short tring to cram too much in. It was all rather pointless of a show when it only scratched the surface of each topic only to end the debate after two questions and move onto the next topic.

I thought of you rorty when I saw that.

I noticed that the fragrant Benedict Cumberbatch was involved with rabble-rousing with baldy Jude Law at the weekend too.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/benedict-cumberbatch-and-idris-elba-lead-group-urging-government-to-save-unaccompanied-children-in-a6883746.html

Does anyone else have the sense that irrespective of what the polls say, and how many good arguments there are that we'd do better outside the EU, we will be staying?

i.e. will it be like the General Election with those who wanted change getting really good at loudly agitating for it, shouting down all other voices on social media, actively registering with polling companies etc but then the ones who preferred the current option just quietly went down to the polling station and re-elected David Cameron?

Leave

'Does anyone else have the sense that irrespective of what the polls say, and how many good arguments there are that we'd do better outside the EU, we will be staying? '

I don't think so because there is not much enthusiasm or excitement about wanting to stay unlike wanting to leave, so I think lots of people who are on the fence will not bother turning up to vote. The remain camp will probably have difficulty getting their vote out whereas the leave voters will all turn up.

As accurately predicted by you Juneau

I hope not Var123, desperately hope not. I'm hoping Boris joining Leave will help but who knows.

Just finished watching "World at War" that I taped when it was broadcast over Christmas. All 26 episodes. I've seen it a few times before, but it was very, very interesting to watch in the light of what's been going on in the EU recently. Made in 1973, so when Germany was still split and the Iron Curtain was still very much down. The horror of that war was so fresh - no wonder Western Europeans wanted to make alliances. And when the Berlin Wall fell, at last the Ossies could join the party! But the EU of today really isn't what those post-war politicians had in mind.

I'm still a LEAVE. Stronger than ever in fact. Just thought of another reason - the Europeans hate us anyway, look at what's happened in the Eurovision Song Contest since they introduced public voting.

A bit of idle googling for anyone who is interested. I was wondering what the media in the other EU countries think about Britain's upcoming referendum.

POLAND - fakt.pl seems to be the biggest selling daily. The only vaguely related story i could find was that Angela Merkel has said she might reduce child benefit payments to Polish children too. Denmark has already said it would reduce them too.
www.fakt.pl/finanse/zasilek-dla-dzieci-polakow-w-niemczech-bedzie-mniejszy,artykuly,612917.html

FRANCE - La Croix - largest selling daily? - has David Cameron its front page with the observation that "Other countries will now think that blackmail pays" www.fakt.pl/finanse/zasilek-dla-dzieci-polakow-w-niemczech-bedzie-mniejszy,artykuly,612917.html

GERMANY _ lots of stories but with no spin. They all say Britain has "special status" now. (Maybe it is true after all - i thought that was just spin)

I very much want us to stay
For me I view Europe like my big complicated dis functional family whom I love and could never be without.
ie am very aware it isn't perfect