Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

Open door imigration cannot work forever though. There is a threshold of how much capacity our schools, hospitals and housing can cope with. When the minimum wage is changed to the living standard wage then the UK will be even more attractive to Eastern Europeans.

Leave.

I dread to think about what would happen to the nhs without immigration, most of the staff, nurses and doctors at my local hospital are "foreigners". Ditto my dads care home.

My thinking is longer than one generation - think of the following ones when Britain doesn't exist any longer - forget us not being part of ever closer union - what ever they say now is open to interpretation in the future, as to whomever is in control at the time.

The world economy is in for very rough ride over next few years, irrespective of us in or out, however I don't wish to be riding rough seas with Brussels at the helm for sure.

Boss of Luthansa said yesterday 'don't leave us as we will only have socialist economies like France left in EU otherwise'! There isn't a country doing well in EU except Germany.

Look how Greece has been treated.... Why would anyone want to continue the disaster, just because leaving is an effort. It will cost bit more to business profits etc but will work out in the end. We are a world class economy.

As for them trying to move everything to Frankfurt - they have to attract top people and quality of life is important.

eg. 'boring' (sorry Switzerland, as personally I love it) will attract some people on salaries alone but lots in banking won't go there as the lifestyle doesn't appeal. Frankfurt will never attract endless amounts of people at the top of their game.

However , that doesn't mean EU won't accept human nature and try to force issues with more rules etc as that's what they do after all.

Stay

Sinister: controlled immigration would still happen. Uncontrolled immigration is the problem.

I'm not sure if some don't understand the important difference between controlled/uncontrolled or wilfully ignore it.

Currently employers don't have to invest in their employees as there is always someone ready to do the job cheaper. Listened to a radio 4 programme recently how government is trying to discourage supply of cheaper staff from abroad as they come here live in shared homes etc as they are here for money and not trying to maintain a home etc. the agencies supplying those staff cheaper will have to pay a tax.

It's always bit more complicated than it appears - but bottom line comes down to someone making huge amounts of money and not investing in their staff - that's what I see for future generations if we don't leave.

Stay. I'm not a fan of the EU institutions - the democratic deficit and audit failures are big problems. But while everyone else is in I don't think we should be out. It would be hugely detrimental.

that's where I am at.

David Cameron seems unwilling/unable to negotiate us better terms. So I think we have to leave.

that's just saying he can't get us out of the free movement, because that's all people really want. And he can't. There's no EU without free movement.

Recruiting NHS staff from outside EU that is.

To stay means supporting idea that tops of multi nationals get richer and workers are turned into disposable items with no reason to invest in their training etc. that is what staying in the EU is passing on to future generations.

To stay means supporting idea that tops of multi nationals get richer and workers are turned into disposable items with no reason to invest in their training etc. that is what staying in the EU is passing on to future generations.

what will likely happen, though, is that we lose free movement, but companies won't. Companies will then move to where wages are lower.

Leave. The more time passes the less I feel it's actually in our best interests, to stay in -- that is..

But haven't we done this already?

out

If companies want cheap labour they can go anywhere in the world, but they don't. People come here to work or invest in a company, partly because of what Britain stands for; skills; lifestyle etc we are a desirable country for much more than our benefits sytem, and we always have been.

People have always wanted to come here to live and to work. Companies know they can attract top staff from anywhere in the world because people want to live here.

We really shouldn't undersell ourselves as cheap labour of the world. However, WE aren't - it's the EU migrants undercutting British lower skilled employees.

Forget wages anyway - when saying undercut I mean in terms of investing in the employee remaining in a job - perks and training - not the hourly rate. No need to worry about staff moving on as another one pops up - it's the investment in the person that has been lost over the last 20 or so years.

Imagine a world of controlled migration where people can apply to live here or apply to work here or apply to become a refugee. Britain can have a say in how to shape and plan their country.

We won't suddenly have no one wanting to come here to work or companies relocating to Poland in droves - we will just plan how many migrants etc come in from th EU as well as outside the EU.

If companies want cheap labour they can go anywhere in the world, but they don't. People come here to work or invest in a company, partly because of what Britain stands for; skills; lifestyle etc we are a desirable country for much more than our benefits sytem, and we always have been.

if they want access to the single market called the EU without import duties, they need to be in the EU.

What people want will be much worse for the average worker. People don't pay attention to the fact that companies can move, but want to restrict free movement. You are right that there are certain advantages to being the UK - skills, language etc, but at some point the fact that labour is cheaper in bulgaria will be a draw. Currently that draw isn't so big because those people can move here. But if they couldn't, it might be worth it to move there.

We won't suddenly have no one wanting to come here to work or companies relocating to Poland in droves

it may not be in droves. but expect some to go. Then, instead of some lower wage jobs here, all the jobs will go.

As i said earlier i think we should leave but i'm quite surprised how many on here seem to agree. I think the Government and the EU maybe in for a shock. I wouldn't be surprised if polls close to the referendum indicate a leave vote then the EU will bail to Cameron's demands in full. Just a hunch.

The UK and German economies are the only EU economies that are strong right now. I think the EU needs the UK.

The UK economy is not strong. it's just not as bad.

Its one of the fastest growing economies currently.

Stay
every time

Re: without foreign staff NHS couldn't function Unfortunately the mass recruitment of foreign staff into the NHS over the past few years has driven down wages resulting in no pay rise for NHS staff in 4 years and 1% pay rise last year. Healthcare is seeing the same effect from immigration as the trades. Also complaints from patients against healthcare professions are disproportionately about foreign trained staff. British trained healthcare staff are being driven abroad as a result of UKs increasingly low wages and poor working conditions(temporary contracts, poor pay for unsocial hours, unrealistic target driven culture, abuse from managers and patients).

We have a housing crisis. The cost of an average home is now ten times avereage earnings.. Much of this is because the population of the country is rising by 300,000 a year. That is the equivelant of a city the size of Cardif every twelve monthes We can't build the infrastructure fast enough to support such a population growth.

Result, overloaded roads, over crowded schools, increasing waiting lists at hospitals and GPs. Whilst is is true not all of this comes from the EU, the EU is playing a very large part.

I used to support the EU, but of late I have changed my thinking and now consider we should leave it.

Professor, did you read about the latest bailiff eviction figures? (Today's Guardian somewhere). They have shot up. More and more people can't pay their extortionate rent and cost of living. We are starting to see more UK citizens homeless, and yet we are being pressured by Germany to accept thousands of new immigrants. It's ludicrous.

"Out" may be one solution but just a part of it. Westminster must sort out Border control immediately.

The 1000's referred to are fleeing war. Persecution. Chemical war, religious war, horrendous abuse of human rights.

People is all ages fleeing. Dying on the way.

The term immigrant doesn't really cut it.

EU migrants is what is being dicussed.

The EU freedom of right to move and work in a country and to be entitled to same rights as a British person etc. is the general thrust being discussed here.

Not seen anyone describing a genuine Syrian escaping war as anything other than a refugee. However, as Sweden has recently found - in amongst the refugees were 90,000 who were predominantly North African economic migrants.

Sweden is in the process of attempting to fly them back to Morocco etc currently as well as closing its borders to free movement.