Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

Leave.

There's a rumour this eve in the Mail that Boris will join the Brexit camp (please god!). His wife is certainly no fan of DC's crappy EU concessions.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440686/Boris-Johnson-s-wife-Marina-Wheeler-savages-David-Cameron-s-EU-deal.html

Jacob Rees-Mogg was on the Daily Politics yesterday. He was saying that the way to become the next leader of the Tory party is to lead the LEAVE campaign.
He described how the rank and file in the constituencies really want to leave (and they get a vote in the leadership contest). So, they won’t vote for anyone in a leadership election who let them down by joining the REMAIN campaign (unless the referendum result is a shock OUT in which case they might vote for the gallant loser).
So, all that analysis pointed at Boris Johnson taking up leading the LEAVE campaign.

That's interesting var. JRM is very knowledgeable about all things political, so I'm sure he's right.

Stay.

Stay

Leave. Yes it will be difficult initially for the country to make its way in the world but i think long term it would be for the best. I don't like how democracy seems to be getting more and more centralised with laws set upon us by people we have never heard of. The EU is a nice idea but it seems to have expanded too quickly in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure Boris will lead the Leave camp when he deems it an appropriate time. I guess he has to let DC try to obtain concessions, feeble as they are, before he shows his hand.

On whether the UK will be blamed for any negative actions resulting from our leaving the EU, it can't have been a very strong union if one country leaving leads to others following or the EU collapsing but I'm sure that won't stop certain parties from mouthing off laying blame with the UK. You know what they say about sticks and stones.

Its interesting how many are saying leave because of the sex attacks.

Yes, agree. I'm for staying anyway but I'd never have made that link and don't really understand it at all.

My decision was not based on sex attacks but am happy to add it to the long list of reasons why I will vote Out.

Leave

I think many voters to stay in will be like DH who said this am " i am shit scared for the economy if we leave" I asked him if he had read a lot on this matter, listened to debates - watched interviews with senior figures, and he said not. He will vote to stay . I have asked him to at least do some research before ticking the box.

celeste I think there will be rocky waters after a leave vote, however its not like we are an insignificant world country we are not.

Europe is our largest trading partner but we buy more than we sell to them. The German car manufacturers are not going to let Mrs Merkel stop us buying their cars by putting up massive import taxes on our goods, which we'd have to retaliate to by doing the same.

We are limited from making trading deals with other parts of the world - including the Commonwealth - because the EU won't let us. It wants to be in charge of these deals, not us.

Our financial sector is at risk if we stay. We were huge and Frankfurt was miniscule. However, there's been prolonged attempts to make Frankfurt the centre in Europe at London's expense. However much people hate greedy bankers, the taxes from the City of London has been a massive chunk of the tax revenues for decades and we'll notice their loss in terms of hospitals, roads and schools.

Luckily the UK still has the Bank of England and the pound, as well as the expertise to run our own economy.

I think we can survive perfectly well outside of the EU, and we may well find we are better off as long as we manage our own country properly.

I do think it funny though how the EEC was sold to the British public as the Common Market back in the 70s. Then it turned out to be much, much more than a common market and we were all told that we'd been idiots for not realising that all along.
Now, with a EU referendum coming up for the first time in 40 years, all the Remain campaigners are talking about how we'll miss being part fo teh common market.

Rorty: well said, I think it unlikely anyone is basing a wish to leave just on attacks in Cologne, Austria and Sweden.

However , Germany's open invitation demonstrated clearly that our government doesn't have self determination.

UK say that we will take refugees from camps in region deemed to be most at risk. However, Germany issue a 'Hunger Games' style invitation of inviting the strongest and fittest: if you can physically make your way here and don't perish on the way, you win the right to become an EU citizen.

Ultimately those people will have access to Britain once an EU citizen, demonstrating our Governmemt stating a wish to accept a certain level, is ultimately a futile exercise. Yes, of course the answer to that is that they will be EU citizens at that stage etc, as I know some will say, but the point is a country's own quota on refugees is ultimately not in their control.

Our government may as well be talking into the wind,

Its not just the influx of people from war zones - its the flood from E. Europe over the past 10 or so years that has massively contributed to our housing crisis, school places crisis, NHS crisis, etc. Most of those who have come are low-skilled workers and yes, they've taken low paid jobs that Brits don't want to do, but they've also taken a huge amount out of the system. On minimum wage they're paying hardly any tax, yet they're taking a lot in terms of housing, healthcare, child benefit, tax credits, school places, etc.

The government knows that we need more people in the future to meet our economic needs, but what we really need is to be able to choose who comes here. Currently we have to take anyone who pitches up on British soil from the EU, regardless of whether they fill a skills shortage or whether the real reason they're moving here is because one or more of them has a complex and expensive health problem that the NHS will take care of for free. While we remain in the EU we are a sitting duck for anyone who wishes to take advantage of our generous benefits. Just ask anyone who works in the NHS if this is a big issue and they'll tell you what a massive problem it is.

Indeed Juneau, bizarre to think of child benefit not being payable to a British family on two incomes of, say, £35,000; however, child benefit is sent abroad to Poland to be used buying goods in the Polish economy.

I don't receive child benefit to spend in local community here, despite paying tax, but someone in Poland is spending British taxpayers' money in their local economy.

Also generally the EU migrant is doing low paid work, not contributing greatly to the tax system at all. Forget the in work benefits issue, what about NHS, schools etc that are required with no idea at what future level as no way of controlling our borders - unless about 15 countries agree to grant us a TEMPORARY halt due to over burden...

Leave

This is why I can't get my head around the whole 'we need migrants' argument......why do we need to import adults, when, y'know.....we can make our own right here?? I kind of feel that for every adult brought in, we've wasted the cost of schooling of the 'born here' adult who's job has been 'taken' by the imported adult?? I just can't see the long term thinking behind it.

The EU has done something this morning that makes me wonder what they are playing at.

As I understand it, it will boil down to they trying to take control of the City in favour of transferring a lot of the business to Frankfurt. They say that they don't like how we regulate ourselves and that they need to protect themselves against us doing something which will harm the euro-zone business. (I thought they had a bit of a cheek with that one given that the eurozone is an absolute mess resulting from an ill-conceived idea).

What surprised me is that they are trying to get even more control over our ability to do business with the world right now - just ahead of a referendum where people are fed up seeing our ability to decide for ourselves transferred to Brussels. If the EU wants the UK to stay, then this is not how to go about it.
Or is just a case of the EU being such a huge machine that no one is at the controls?

Whether the truth is the EU doesn't want the UK to stay, or its taking the British people for granted, or its incompetent, they all add up to the same thing: LEAVE!

Stay
I was convinced of this by my friend who works in the treasury and the financial fall out of leaving would knock on for a generation