Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part III

[GeekLove]

link to part 2

Keeping this in the spotlight since the mainstream media isn't.

I don't feel guilty or manipulated. If people want to call me a racist or muslimist then fine, no problem. I'll speak out regardless as I'm no mealy mouthed leftie who hates their own gender

Oh crikey.

The new thread, us all alone, thinking without interruption.

It'll be like that moment when the kids have been scrapping over a bit of plastic all day and suddenly they're whisked off to bed-and-bath and you're left standing in the blissful, glorious silence with their repetitive, pointless whining fading from your poor ears and the sound of the fridge closing, wine being poured and the expensive crinkle of m and s snacks being opened, your adult girlfriends passing you a glass and the incredible prospect of a proper chat, with real grown ups who can think in whole sentences and hold complex ideas in their heads.

Let me know when the new thread's ready!

Olive you were going to reply to me earlier. I was interested in your perspective about poverty and more extreme versions of Islam.

I've watched threads like this where they go weird - but I never thought I'd be on one. I've seen when people talk about bullies etc and trolls and sock puppets (I feel like a child using those terms). I suppose this is a form of bullying happening to me and Emily. People telling each other not to talk to us etc. I don't mind particularly just find it really strange.

What do you all think Justine makes of this thread? Or MN towers for that matter? I find it odd that Emily and twister's shenanigans have been left to go for so long, as have dozens of troll hunting posts gone unchallenged. Also, as was suggested upthread, thread II and III are not linked to in the In the News section nor did the threads feature in active convos (as far as a'm aware).

Adjusts tinfoil hat: Isn't Justine married to Ian Katz, former deputy editor of The Guardian?

I think we should start a new thread once MNHQ check out those reported.

Ego, the Guardian is not a feminist paper.

You can call me 'Wilde' (pronounced Wild) Pink. It is how the English Explorers referred to Irish people when reporting back to the monarchy. They had pictures of 'Wilde Man' and 'Wilde Woman'.

I like the term. It is fitting of me lol.

So when mn tell you there is nothing dodgy about us. What then? Mn, Emily, me and the guardian are all working together to make the world Islamic?

That's lovely and I like your name a lot, but not sure what this was in response to?

twisted

I think that emily is the one exhibiting bullying behaviour

It's getting late. I feel I have learned a lot thanks to all three threads. Incredible stuff, even the spin doctors, fascinating, effective, but spin will always be called out in the end and truth will prevail, its just a matter of time.

Rufus- how?
Honestly I don't agree.

BTW - can we stop talking about newspapers?

If you read any one source, and only one source, you are an idiot.
I read every piece of shite that comes in front of me.

That's just me though. I grew up where we had.......... the following media.

The Farmer's Journal
The xxxx County Examiner

2 TV channels. Irish channels. When you wiggled the aerial enough to get a signal across the hills........

I do not rely on media either to formulate my opinions nor to broadcast them.

mobile.reuters.com/article/iduskcn0uo0g920160110?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5692e42204d301735882fb68&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook 600 Women

It was in response to you and everyone else referring to me as 'Wild'. Politely correcting my misspelling.

Rufus everything these two are saying is disingenuous designed to distract and divert.

Saying that, at least the narrative Emily has been spinning is anti-racist, even if that is not what he or she actually believes.

Pinkchamp, being in favour of immigration or in favour of being nice to refugees doesn't make you a troll. You have been talking a lot about people shutting down debate around issues of sexual violence, but you want to shut down debate by calling me a troll or saying I'm paid by the Guardian. That's sad.

I'm not hunting anyone. I am challenging assumptions I believe to be false. I am not being offensive or threatening. I have expressed m views on addressing sexual violence and they haven't coincided with yours. That's all.

Ha! WildeWoman gotcha as I said it's late and I am signing off. Back to work tomorrow but will be very keen to engage in some decent conversation on the next thread, wherever that will be.

Ach, engage with the pair of them. We might see some sense out of them yet.

Ach, engage with the pair of them. We might see some sense out of them yet.

"I'm not hunting anyone."
No that was the rest of us.

"I am challenging assumptions I believe to be false."
Not sure what to respond to this.

"I am not being offensive or threatening."
That's true but then that would be unprofessional.

"I have expressed m views on addressing sexual violence and they haven't coincided with yours."

Some of them have actually. But you know very well that there is a cultural angle to our topic. It is a pity that a very relevant and smart discussion got so derailed. You achieved your goal in part but we have learned from it too.

without me wanting to think about why bad things happen

Because you are naive. You seem to be under the impression that there must be an instance of severe personal trauma to make someone "disturbed" enough to brutalise others.

The reality is that, in many cases, people that behave in a violent manner do so because they can, because they believe they can or will get away with it, or because they believe there will be no retribution for what they do, or because they are encouraged to behave in such a way by a higher authority, or because to be blunt they are vile, bone-sucking demons from the seventh circle of hell.

Both DH's mother's family and my mother's family saw civil conflict in their home countries. One of my relatives was murdered as part of a massacre by a man who did "the job" because he was good at it and got prestige and benefits for doing it and that's all. My DH is aware of an individual who is still wanted for a shooting in cold blood during the civil conflict in his country. There was nothing remotely traumatic in that individual's background or childhood; in fact, his life was pretty idyllic. He did it because he could and nothing more.

The line of law and order is very thin, and is easily broken. Those that have not experienced civil, sectarian or internecine conflict don't understand how fragile the line really is, and how little stress it takes before all hell breaks loose, so they assume it is unassailable or requires extraordinary pressure to crack.

It really doesn't. All you need is a perception of state destablisation, a few instances of violence, and people start picking up guns like no tomorrow.

So good that I had to say it twice?

Emily, Twisted - we can discuss generalised forms of abuse against women and the coercive sexualization of their lives. Let's start here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391501/Crown-judge-rule-sharia-cases-court-set-hardline-cleric-led-demonstration-against-Charlie-Hebdo.html

It really doesn't. All you need is a perception of state destablisation, a few instances of violence, and people start picking up guns like no tomorrow

Not to mention some drugs, alcohol, too few police and a belief that you're surrounded by a few hundred slags who have it coming to them