Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part III

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link to part 2

Keeping this in the spotlight since the mainstream media isn't.

you see my hate

really I suggest you get to specsavers

the point I was making as you obviously can't go tonight is the patronising drivel she wrote while polishing her halo

Poor value for money I'd say

I was going to make a joke about the paranoia about me- but am actually getting concerned about posters. I know this is a distressing topic in so many ways. But if anyone seriously thinks they know that I am working for some cause or person, that I am not real, here to provoke, know Emily or anything else about me - then I promise you you are being paranoid and I think you need to speak to someone in real life. I am not saying that to provoke and hope you are just a little conspiracy theory-ish and it is nothing more.

Emily I meant to say earlier- I'm so sorry about your experiences.

Wanting to understand why something happens in order to prevent it happening again is the absolute opposite of supporting it. I do not think victims are responsible for crimes done to them.

I don't believe anyone is born bad. I know full well that humans can do terrible things. I don't believe in evil.

and the patronising drivel The Guardian will no doubt come up with this week

I do not need telling that many refugees will be horrified by what happened on NYE or feel embarrassed or shamed by the young men from their countries I am intelligent enough to work that out for myself, but I do need to read what is being done about it and where is their outrage that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted on one evening

I am also away some refugees wont see it as much of a problem, bit like some areas of our press and I am also aware some wont care they have too many of their own problems to think about

'Polishing her halo.' I've heard that one before.

Do you want to limit refugees because they might be a bit shit at cooking?

The program ... focuses on getting newly arrived refugees to open up about their attitudes toward sex, through discussions in small groups supervised by a monitor, usually a native Norwegian. A manual prepared for the course includes sections on “Norwegian laws and values,” as well as violence against children and women NYTimes

I will email a friend in Stavanger and try to find where, if any, the results of the success of such programmes are recorded.

It might be a useful starting point for our approach to lobby MPs.

It will be minimised and swept under the carpet until the next time it happens.

And it will happen and keep happening. The handwringing and minimising won't stop either.

Olive I can't see programmes such as that which you describe as working though. The perpetrators were arrogant criminal yobs. Sending them to classes isn't going to change this.

Well I'd be really proud of myself if was me doing a bit of sock puppetry there. V fast work.

Look! He's behind you!

Can't be arsed, she'll bury herself eventually

The authorities need to trawl through these people and identify genuine refugees and then return migrants who aren't supposed to be there. People from Algeria and Morroco don't need to leave their countries.

They need to be more methodical and rational in their approach to who they help.

Women's rights to be safe come before anybody as far as I'm concerned.

Enthusiam What got me about the Guardian article was the horror at the suggestion he could live in a homeless hostel, where the other occupants were assumed to be alcoholics and drug addicts... Er, no, an awful lot of them are just people really suffering who don't have some liberal Guardian writer offering them a home instead of sterotyping and judging them...!

Emily I see your hate. I think you're probably a man tbh. For some reason you think it ok not to condemn cultures and cultural practices that seriously harm women... because you think women don't matter as much as your ideology.

Report Emily for what?!! I get that nobody knows who anyone is online and we should be careful etc. But what exactly are you all thinking she - and me- are?!

I came across this on Twitter

nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/

Similar attacks took place in Sweden last August apparently

No it doesn't. Why should the man in the article be judged on what someone else did Ego? That's racist and ridiculous. Does he bear responsibility? No. I loved that article. I thought it was heart warming and I feel sad for you that you're so bitter that you can't appreciate what a wonderful thing has happened there. A man that has suffered a horrific war has a home and a friendship. I thought he seemed like a lovely man.

What's wrong with looking at refugees in a positive light? They are people, like you and I. They have suffered unimaginable horrors. The majority are not criminals. They wish they could be in Syria but they can't. They can't live there any more and we should help them.

Twisted, it could be an attempt to wind us up or an attempt to belittle what we are saying. The truth is, that while some people here claim to care about sexual violence, they seem largely fixated with limiting already limited immigration and popularising racist stereo types about migrants and refugees.

I think it is worth remembering that it wasn't just sexual assaults. One girl was nearly set on fire after someone shoved a lit firework into her hoodie. She has suffered severe burns on her neck and shoulders.

It seems that, in certain political and media circles, the well-being of unknown male foreign nationals is more important than the safety and security of female citizens.

And, yes, I do believe there is a willful, race-induced blindness at play here, along with the prejudices of certain stereotypes. Had the recent migrant flows across Europe been spawned by a civil war in Russia and we had seen large numbers of non-Russian male foreign nationals using the conflict to claim asylum in Europe among the exodus, and the Cologne incident then been committed by "Russian and Slavic-looking" young men, speaking a "Russian-type" language, I suspect the political and media reaction would have been very different.

going back to why so many young men I think this is quite normal young men leave to go abroad send money home this often happens worldwide. Many reasons they are stronger fitter if the journey is difficult, they potential can earn more money, they will live with other groups of men and send money home. Its inconceivable in some cultures that a young women would live and work abroad in the same way when she has no contacts

also less young men doing nothing in a country like Syria less will be fighting

but would rather see more women and children and less young men being allowed in, young men with nothing to do displaced will always be a problem

Yes, I've been reading about the problems in Sweden as well. It's known as the rape capital of Europe apparently

Emily - what's your view of Saudi/Qatari Goldman's, Barclay's, et all, rescue packages during the 2007/8 global financial crisis, land acquisition in the UK, Germany and other European counties, and other similarly acquisitive activities in Europe?

Hi Rustique

Thanks for the link

It appears to be a bit of a pandemic. The abuse and the cover up

hidden I probably agree in my head.

I have emailed the chap who runs the Norwegian one (which is voluntary) to ask if and how they quantify success of the courses.

I just want to know that all possible avenues are explored.

If the quoted chap who says he didn't know you couldn't just take women changed his behaviour because of the course, perhaps we should make them mandatory for anyone coming to live here.

IME arrogant criminal yobs are only such in groups. On their own, all alone in a group intent on showing them how wrong their behaviour is, they are frequently whiny, cry-face, pant-wetting little cowards who suddenly behave and abide by laws.