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What the hell? Shooting in US centre for disabled people.

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BertieBotts · 02/12/2015 21:34

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34987697

This is sickening. Any shooting is but this has really upset me for some reason. :(

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talkiinpeace · 05/12/2015 20:15

-Tax credit for one time purchase of certified gun safes
speaking as a CPA, please, no more tax credits
the US tax code is a nightmare already
and tax credits only benefit the rich Grin

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 05/12/2015 20:23

Grin Ain't that the truth!!!

Gun safes are really, really expensive, though. But if we're going to have firearms, they need to be stored in a way that can't just be carried off and broken open. If we're going to make them mandatory (and they should be) there's got to be some way to make them affordable. A tax credit would be cheaper (I think) than a voucher system for reimbursement.

Would a deduction be better than a tax credit? Grin

SenecaFalls · 05/12/2015 20:27

talkin I agree that some types of guns could be restricted under current laws. But limiting ownership to shotguns, which was your example, would not be acceptable under the law as it stands today.

I essentially agree with ChristmasCarcass's list. I would also like to see open carry prohibited.

HarrietVane99 · 05/12/2015 20:39

But if we're going to have firearms, they need to be stored in a way that can't just be carried off and broken open.

Or easily accessed by children. How many tragedies occur each year because a small child has found a loaded gun? If not gun safes, there could at least be a requirement for ammunition to be stored separately from weapons. And possibly restrictions on how much ammo anyone is allowed to purchase at one time.

Roussette · 05/12/2015 20:46

talkiinpeace your post of 19,50. You talk sense.

annandale · 05/12/2015 20:52

Why should safety equipment be 'affordable'?

Frankly, I think making an expensive gun safe compulsory is probably the only way that the US will ever have any kind of effective gun control. Obama should be accepting lavish hospitality from gun safe manufacturers right now.

You can have as many guns as you like provided you can prove that nobody but you can access them.

PigletJohn · 05/12/2015 21:08

"Gun safes are really, really expensive, though"

no they aren't.

But, like cars, houses and clothes, if you have lots of money, you can choose to buy a flashy and impressive large or expensive one.

For some reason there is a fashion in America for large ones painted to look like bank vaults from the 1880's Wild West. They are usually thin tin boxes lined out with concrete.

Roussette · 05/12/2015 21:11

I read somewhere today with the latest atrocity that a Company who do bulletproof backpacks for children are taking off big time. Can anyone really imagine this to be normal?

talkiinpeace · 05/12/2015 21:45

PigletJohn is right about gun safes.

I have a UK friend who is legitimately entitled to have some pretty serious weaponry at home - he has 2 gun safes for when he has up to 5 rifles and pistols in the house - total cost under £500
his latest gun cost him £4000

if you cannot afford the safe, don't buy the gun Smile

CheerfulYank · 05/12/2015 23:24

Whoever said they can't understand the fear or whatever...I'm not afraid. I live in a rural farming community and assume most people around me could lay hands on a gun if they wanted to. It doesn't scare me. Someone could come in and beat me to death too but...why would they?

To me, guns are just tools. We used to have one in the garage (unloaded) but now we keep it in BIL's locked gun room. DH hunts with it in the autumn.

There also seems to be the assumption that people in the US who have guns carry them around all the time. Confused Some do, but I would find it odd.

nancy75 · 05/12/2015 23:31

Cheerfulyank - are you allowed to carry guns when you are out?

From chilled's post I got the impression that you are?

Where would you put a gun when you go shopping - I presume it doesn't just go in your pocket? (Good thing I can't have a gun, I can't even find door keys in my handbag, I can't imagine having a gun rattling around in there)

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BertieBotts · 05/12/2015 23:35

I don't think that a person who is being attacked would necessarily kill another person (sorry long discussion since then but I haven't been on here) - but surely the point of having a gun for protection means you COULD kill somebody if you wanted to.

If the point of having a gun for protection is just so you can keep it hidden in your bag and feel protected then I don't get it.

The second amendment argument is odd. You do know the government literally have an army and can shut down all communications? Laypeople wouldn't have a chance to defend themselves or mobilise into a rebellion these days.

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nancy75 · 05/12/2015 23:42

The thing that would worry me about having a gun as protection is that an attacker could get the gun and then shoot me with it. I'm 5 foot tall, it's a pretty safe bet that if I was attacked by a man they would be able to get a gun off me with no trouble at all

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BertieBotts · 05/12/2015 23:43

Sorry that was unnecessarily patronising. Please take the same comment but without the "You do know" and change for "What about the fact"

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HarrietVane99 · 05/12/2015 23:43

Where would you put a gun when you go shopping - I presume it doesn't just go in your pocket?

Warning: tragic story -There was a case a while back where a small child found his mother's gun in her handbag when they were in a supermarket and accidentally shot her dead.

nancy75 · 05/12/2015 23:52

Harriet - I do actually remember that being in the papers - child was in the trolley and got the gun out of the bag I think.

PigletJohn · 05/12/2015 23:54

I used to work for an American company, and the employee handbook actually said we were not allowed to have guns with us, even locked in vehicles in the car park, unless members of the company gun club, or reservists/part timers in the police or military.

The handbook was later revised to say "only reservists/part timers on duty" or, IIRC, if on their way to/from duty, could leave them locked in vehicles.

nancy75 · 05/12/2015 23:56

So in some places it's ok to leave a gun in a parked car? Do you have to have a special compartment or just stick them in the boot? That is madness, you can nick a car in minutes and then get free gun too?

CheerfulYank · 06/12/2015 00:00

Nancy I don't think chilled and I live in the same state, though :)

I'm actually not sure what the carry laws are in my state! I think people CAN open carry but I've never seen anyone doing it, at least not in the way that seems to be depicted here...a steely eyed psychopath walking around a shopping mall with a semi auto strapped to his back, picking fights and shooting people like the Wild West :o I guess I have seen people carrying rifles/shotguns during hunting season but not, you know, in the grocery store!

CheerfulYank · 06/12/2015 00:02

YOu just put them in the trunk, Nancy :o And I come from a state where people leave there cars unlocked and running during the winter while they pop into shops!

CheerfulYank · 06/12/2015 00:03

*their of course Blush

nancy75 · 06/12/2015 00:06

CheerfulYank - very interesting - I forget that your laws differ state to state.

Totally blows my mind that you can just leave a gun in the boot/trunk while you pop in the shops!

I can just imagine going to the supermarket here and seeing someone with a gun doing their shopping - there would be mass panic

SenecaFalls · 06/12/2015 00:16

You can buy handbags online specially designed for guns.

SenecaFalls · 06/12/2015 00:27

nancy I think you would see considerable panic even where I live to see a shopper with a gun in a store, and I live in the Deep South.

nancy75 · 06/12/2015 00:30

Do you have a gun Seneca - it's cool if you don't want to say. This subject fascinates me simply because it's so out of my sphere of knowledge or experience

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