UKIP on 20% and a chicken on the loose in the House. They're desperate!

[claig]

"Labour has a five-point lead over the Conservatives in the latest Opinium/Observer poll, which shows that half of voters think the prime minister is looking for excuses not to take part in live television debates ahead of the 7 May general election."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/17/labour-takes-lead-conservatives-cameron-opinium-poll

Why don't the pollsters ask the question that the public asks themselves - Would an empty chair perform better than Cameron in the TV debates?

The Establishment promoted Russell Brand to try and stop the people and their party - UKIP. Now we hear that Cameron's sixth cousin, Oxbridge graduate, Alastair James Hay Murray, who "is in remainder both to English and Scottish peerage titles, including the barony of Strange and the dukedom of Atholl" and plays the role of "The Pub Landlord" is standing against the People's Politician, Nigel Farage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Murray

They're desperate. Will they ask Laurel and Hardy to stand aginst the People's Party next? Oh wait, they've already got Cameron and Clegg.

I don't think Pegida is a tool. I think it's a genuine grass roots organisation. Merkel is definitely concerned about it. But people are looking at Sweden as an example of what can go wrong when immigration creates no-go areas and socialist policies refuse to even acknowledge the orioles, let alone tackle it.

No I think it is a very clever trick by the elites to discredit Le Pen's party, Alternativ fur Deutschland, UKIP and all other populist parties.

There are always giveaways for tricks.

Number 1 - is a former criminal or someone who has been in jail involved? With PEGIDA yes, jailed drug dealer and other offences, who recently discredited PEGIDA by releasing a picture of himself as Hitler.

Number 2 - is it only against Islam? - with PEGIDA yes, just like the EDL.

European elites are depserate, Establishments are in panic mode. They know the people have had enough. They will try every trick they can to fool the people and discredit any populist opposition to their EU and climate change plans.

Hollande is the most unpopular President ever. French elites are in panic mode about Le Pen. they have to discredit her and they will use every trick they can.

They will spread PEGIDA across Europe - to France and other countries in order to discredit any populist opposition to them and their plans.

"French anti-Islamists, inspired by the huge turn-outs at the xenophobic “Pegida” demos in Germany, have organised a protest for Paris later this month. While the organiser tells The Local “it’s just a first step”, experts say it could never take off in France."

www.thelocal.fr/20150106/anti-islam-pegida-movement-to-france

I think PEGIDA is a trick to smear opposition.

There will be lots more tricks because the EU is in serious trouble, the climate change agenda is in trouble and people have had enough.

They are desperate and they will use every trick they can find.

"With the far-right anti-immigration National Front party, led by Marine Le Pen, having dramatically increased its influence in recent months and years, the time and the place appears right for the Pegida to take off in France.

However experts say it is unlikely to happen in a country that is home to an estimated six million Muslims - Europe’s biggest population.

Researcher and far-right specialist Jean-Yves Camus from the think-tank Iris (Institute of international relations and strategy) says the political climate is far different in France to Germany.

“In Germany Pegida benefits from a political vacuum because there is no National Front party,” Camus told France's L’Express news site.

“The German who is worried by Islam, but on the other hand isn’t racist, will not vote for the NPD, which is a neo-Nazi party.

“So they could end up among the followers of Pegida. In France, protesting with Pegida is the same as voting for the National Front,” Camus added.

However even the organisers of the protest in Paris accept their throngs are unlikely to be joined by the likes of Marine Le Pen and her allies.

The risks are simply too high, says Camus.

“The danger of joining this extremist movement is too great,” he said. “The National Front simply doesn’t need to do it. It’s already guaranteed the electoral support of these voters.”

www.thelocal.fr/20150106/anti-islam-pegida-movement-to-france

If you read between the lines you can see that this harms the Front National. It will smear them by associating them with PEGIDA which is not even a real political party, just a newly created only anti-Islamist movement one of whose founders was a criminal. It will be used to turn the people against populist opposition where Establishments face strong populist opposition.

Tomorrow's newspaper headlines and comments on UKIPs

"UKIP shock as defector joins Tories"
"delusional", "ridiculous lack of policies", "amateur"
"UKIP chief: NHS is a waste of money"
"We speak for bigots says UKIP PR chief"

This is just the beginning. The tricks against UKIP will come thick and fast over the months preceding the election. The kitchen sink will be thrown at UKIP because the Establishment is desperate.

Don't fall for their games. Everybody keep your heads, keep calm and vote UKIP.

I don't agree with that links analysis at all. Pegida is about retaining German culture and German values. the German equivalent of Mr Major's spinsters cycling to evensong. Dresden doesn't even have a large Muslim population. It's German's protesting at cultural changes that ban things like pork from certain menus. It's Germans standing up and saying "We (the majority) are the people. it's the Establishment that trying to portray it as Nazi or ant-Islamic It's not. I watched part of the Legida march in Leipzig last Monday and it was full of families and not the sort of young hooligan associated with EDL etc.

'Dresden doesn't even have a large Muslim population'

Exactly and PEGIDA is only against Islam. You have to realise these movements are created, funded and controlled and it is the people who pull the strings who are in charge, not ordinary families who march.

Watch what happens with PEGIDA over the coming months. It will be used to strengthen Merkel, weaken Le Pen, smear any opposition to the Establishment and then when it has served the elites' purpose it will be disbanded, just like the EDL, as fast as it was created. The criminal founder has already had to resign after the Hitler image. When it has served its purpose, the other leaders will shoot themselves in the foot and it will collapse without a trace.

UKIP quotes, UKIP defections, yet others "tricks"?

No denial there then.

For ages you have been saying how the established parties have no answers to UKIP, as they are 'different'.

Well we are just finding out how 'different' your policy lite party is, direct from the 'kippers mouths - why as they are confirming what we have been telling you for yonks, is it now a trick.

' is it now a trick'

Of course. Were you born yesterday? Don't you understand the game?

What do you think soin doctors and think tanks and all that lot are paid to do.
They are desperate. They have the best and the brightest from Oxbridge with Firsts on the case.

"Stop the people and their party" is their cry.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carswell defects to the Tories next.

Claig....how is it a trick when someone is filmed at a public function making moronic comments?
He said those things.
He has been caught saying those things.
There is no conspiracy....there is just a group of people loosely called ukip who want to go back to the 1930s.....no immigration, no welfare state, no.workers rights, the landed gentry dispersing largesse
Ukip has always been a vAnity project for farage
Games up claig
One too many holocaust deniers and one too many jibes at the nhs
This won't be the last defection from ukip before the election
I wonder how the manifesto is.coming on?

ah well, the 1930s would still be better than the Dark Ages that the Greens would take us back go..

QE is taking us back to the 1939s anyway and now the EU is letting it's Eurozone members print money. Last time Germany started printing money bad things happened.

No.
The last time a far right party with hatred for ethnic minorities came to.power is when "bad" things happened.
It was called the holocaust
Can't you say the word?

Of course last time the Jews were blamed for all societies ills
Now it's Muslims

'This won't be the last defection from ukip before the election'

I agree with you. People have been planted within UKIP by the Establishment. They will be activated to defect at the most opportune moments for the Establishment.

'He said those things.
He has been caught saying those things.'

Farage was just interviewed by Andrew Marr on the BBC and farage told us that he was a conservative when he said those things about the NHS. He wasn't UKIP then.

Farage also told us that the defector Bashir wants Turkey to join the EU, which is of course what Cameron and the modernisers masquearding as conservatives want too. No wonder Cameron is "delighted" to have Bashir rejoin the Conservative Party.

te Oxbridge media will blow every statement and joke that any UKIP member says out of proportion to try and scare the people and save the Establishment. They are all in it together.

'no immigration, no welfare state, no.workers rights, the landed gentry dispersing largesse'

But this is not what UKIP want. UKIP want controlled immigration. They want o tuition fees for people studying for medical dgress, science and maths degrees. They want to help the working population and remove minimum wage payers from taxation totally. They want to cut taxpayer subsidies to teh landed gentry to erect windfarms on their large estates.

UKIP are the opposition. The Establishment (who are all in it together) have to try and stop the people and their party. They are desperate. You can see it by the number of "comedians" they are promoting and putting on BBC Newsnight and BBC Question Time. They have never had a real opposition. They have to stop the people or their whole game is up.

They also want no maternity leave,
No paternity leave
No tribunal rights
No minimum wage
Yes?
Farage has openly stated he wants the the NHS to be insurance based
It's not a conspiracy claig.
This is what these people want.

You have to remember that the Establishment is tiny in comparison to the people. The number of Etoniabs, Harrovians, selected and promoted Oxbridge graduates etc is tiny compared to the millions of people in the country.

If the people win, then all their perks are over. Their whole game will be up. Remember that UKIP will scrap their cherished Climate Change Act. There is panic in the offices of billionaires and bankers. The country will change beyond recognition. That is why they are desperate.

It is not what they want. Those are all distortions put about by Establishment puppets and candidates. They have to try and stop and scare the people. That is all they have left, apart from laughing at the people with their "comedians".

Fact is my generation are paying for the good times that the baby boomers have had since after the war. The sums just don't add up for an ageing population. They have had;
Good NHS care from cradle to grave
Free education
Free university
Jobs for life
Final salary pensions
Full state pensions
Free bus passes
Fuel payments
It goes on....
Of those on that list only free education will still be around for my children.
People can now expect to live way beyond their retirement age...in some cases 30+ years. How can the state finance that?
I loathe Cameron and the Tories.
I hate the lib dems and Clegg.
I am ripe for the picking....and yet claig, ukip and their moronic policies disgust me.

That so?
Then - perhaps - mr farage should leave the pub for a while and sit down and write his manifesto?
Tell us all what the party stands for - if all we are hearing is conspiracy?

Oh, hang on.
Just remembered!
I'm the daughter of an immigrant (albeit one who is white and speaks English...they're ok, right?)
So I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say anyway.....

'Fact is my generation are paying for the good times that the baby boomers have had since after the war. '

This is another one of the Establishment's tricks to fool the people. They use divide and conquer. Remember that the Establshment is tiny and the people are numerous. The only way they can maintain their privilege is to fool and trick the millions by using divide and rule.

They have created an "intergenerational divide" argument and you will hear some of them blame it on baby boomers and pensioners and they will say that they have had it too good. It is a trick.

The reality is that they are not taxing Amazon and Google and Facebook and corporations enough. They are blowing billions of our money on their ring-fenced foreign aid, they are wasting billions, but they blame it on "baby boomers" and the people.

"Free bus passes
Fuel payments"

These are peanuts compared to bankers' bonuses and how much of our money is wasted by the elite.

'So I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say anyway.....'

I am not against immigrants and nor are UKIP.

Bashir was a UKIP MEP. UKIP have candiadtes form all ethnic minorities. They are not racist. These are media smears to stop UKIP winning popular support.

'Then - perhaps - mr farage should leave the pub for a while and sit down and write his manifesto?'

I agree. I want a real manifesto created urgently. I don't want a load of "drivel" deliberately created by former longstanding conservatives, some of whom may be Establishment ones who may not have the people's interests at heart.

I agree wrt the bankers...it amazes me people aren't out in the street with pitchforks :(