Charlotte Wyatt to go into foster care

[ginmummy]

...because, according to the news, her seperated parents can't give her the care that she needs. It so sad, I want to cry. Poor, poor Charlotte, poor, poor parents.

Thanks for understanding that Fio, I just couldn't be bothered to dress up my internal dialogue back then. For once.

Well, yes, there is that element Fio. Of course. Whenever I see someone posting in such an emotive manner I know that they are feeling so strongly, and very clearly upset about something.

The fact remains, that an outburst such as charlepops in a discussion or debate such as this, will only get noticed for its abusive content. That is just the way it is. (sorry to keep namechecking you CP).

FWIW, I don't agree with Kittywitts POV - never did, that doesnt makes it okay to abuse or hurl insults at her, or that I wish to see that kind of comment made on either side of the debate.

no need to apologise VVV, it's fine. it's out there for all to see and say what they like.

Hands up every one with a child who is special!!!!!! Well I am lucky enough to know some wonderful people because I have a son with needs.... All the parents are from different backgrounds and political stand but we are brought close by our children.... The children are all different and you can not compare them, some were not expected to live but are fighting to keep with us.
Every one of these children are amazing. My boy makes me and others smile every day, his needs are not vast, he has cp, uncontrolled epilepsy, he does not sleep, he has language delay, fine motor delay, and other problem. There is not a week that goes by that we don't have a hospital appointment, he has physio three times a day and also home work from his other therapies. All in all this takes up most of our day.
But I can't tell you how worth it, it is..... And don't get me wrong I have taken myself to hell and back over his three-year-old life he is the same age as Charlotte!
The NHS and SS do let us down as parents we do not get the support we need.
I think the debate is good but don't think for one second you can put yourselves in the shoes of somebody with a special child - YOU CAN'T NOT EVER....... Don't think you can be in charlottes mummies mind or even the dad?s mind...
I hope all of you that think so harsh dream tonight the life they have lived.....
There is not a day that goes by that my heart does not break from looking at my son, knowing the brain damage could be my fault.....I hope you all sleep well tonight, I wonder when Charlottes mummy last slept well.

have just ploughed through this thread.

Kitty's comments - off the richter scale IMO.For reasons already explored.

I just don't get some of you, I honestly don't

And I don't get you kitty.

I'm still wondering why you're so certain of the Wyatt's motivations and actions, when you've said you get all your information about them from reading. Reading what, I wonder? Something that you know for certain is a true, accurate and trustworthy source?

But I've given up thinking you might answer that.

I'm not certain of anything. I have made assumptions, they might be incorrect, but so might everyone else's. Because they are not agreed with does not invalidate them.

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Umm... but I think that's what I'm arguing with you about. Your assumptions.

I haven't made any. Except the obvious one, that what the Wyatts have gone through has been horrendous. I think it's not too unreasonable to assume that, though obviously I'll stand corrected if Mrs W comes on and tells me that I'm wrong and presumptious, it hasn't been horrendous at all, it's been just fine and dandy thank you very much.

Your assumptions, based on ... what? (I still don't know...) have been one of the major things about your posts which have irritated me today. Though thinking about it, not the only thing.

I haven't made any judgements about the Wyatts. I've tried to imagine what it must be like to be in their situation and find when I do that I feel nothing but compassion.

I think it's pretty normal to feel compassion, Becka.

But maybe that's a big assumption, in this society.

Sorry, Becky I mean, not becka

Well I do wonder when I read this thread.

this thread is awful! as a lone parent looking after a toddler with special needs that are minor compared to the wyatts. i find it very very tough on my own with him and cant imagine how distressing it must be to admit to yourself that you cant cope with a child with severe medical problems. very very sad, and im sure the wyatts arent happy at all with how things have turned out for their daughter.

the only issue that i would comment negatively on is why they had the other children when they obviously had all their time taken caring for charlotte

excuse me for starting to get angry now, although I shall do do without going off on one.
I have spent the day dealing with assumptions that have been made about me, my feelings, my life and my motives. All of you have made assumptions about me and most of them will be completely wrong, but you have still made them. and unlike a large number of you I have not gone through the day making nasty, snipey comments. I suppose you all think yourselves quite justified. Caligula, your last comment was uncalled for. Do you suppose that sort of snipe makes me want to converse with you, listen to you or respect what you have to say?
However, it's just run of the mill to do this for many of you it seems. I get bloody furious but I don't get nasty.
VVV mangages without such tactics and I have great respect for that and what she has to say.

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What snipe? The one about your incredibly strong assumptions not being the only thing to irritate me? It wasn't meant to be a snipe it was just me writing as I was thinking.

I have noticed that you have answered very few direct questions which have been put to you today unless they have been convenient ones and yes I do find that quite tiring and irritating. Everybody does, it's why they get angry with politicians.

Sorry, but that is what you have been doing all day and it is annoying. And I haven't made any assumptions about you. I've just disagreed with what you say and I think I've tried to question the basis on which you are making really quite strong, definite assertions about the Wyatts. And you still haven't told me the basis of your assertions.

I'm coming very late to this thread, as always seems to be the way, but I'd still like to post.

Given the information that is in the public domain, and I, like others, suspect that there is much more that we don't know:

I don't think that I would have made the initial decision to fight for Charlotte's life as her parents did. This is because, from what we see, her quality of life is extremely poor and I fear that she may be in constant pain/discomfort with no way of expressing it .

I would not have chosen to have further children so soon after Charlotte's birth but I can see why this could have happened, the need for another child when the life of one is so vulnerable is real for some people and also I suspect that contraception was not at the forefront of their minds in the midst of their distress.

It is entirely understandable that their marriage has brokken down under the enormous strain that they have been under. It is also understandable that neither of them alone feels able to care for Charlotte. It is not something that I think I would be able to do either.

I hope that Charlotte gets the best possible support from ss and the nhs. My fear is that she may lack a consistency in her care which will result in it being suboptimal.

Ultimately we have a profoundly disabled little girl, a broken marriage and a man who has tried to attempt suicide. .

I appreciate you saying that Kittywitts, because I think it safe to say that I often disagree with your opinions.

I am staggered that so many people think that having a severely disabled child means that it is immoral to have any more children! WTF?

People claim from the state under much worse conditions, may i remind you that people in jail do not pay for them selves to be looked after....

You just say what you say like its cut and dry, unfortunatly there are lots of problems that we do not know about and no family situation is black and white....

People claim from the state under much worse conditions, may i remind you that people in jail do not pay for them selves to be looked after....

You just say what you say like its cut and dry, unfortunatly there are lots of problems that we do not know about and no family situation is black and white....

I still have a degree of cynicism as to why the parents choose to play all this out through the media?

I agree that it is a rather shocking thing to condemn them for.