islamist extremists strike in france

[KareninsGirl]

My thoughts are with the victims of the latest barbaric act by Islamic extremists.

The world needs to wake up and defend itself.

RIP those who died and prayers for those critically injured.

at French magazine office www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

What we are facing from Islamic Terrorisms objective is a global caliphate. That means that THEY run the UK under Sharia Law and you convert to Islam or die.

And what our Govt has said is that they have no solution to this problem other than telling us that we really should start to get on a bit better with each other. Or as Cameron told us last year, Wee need to integrate more with Muslims

And when your leader spouts crap like that - it's Game Over

Blimey looks like old Enoch was right

Paris Periphique closed. Jewish shops have been ordered to close down as Police react to the Jewish supermarket siege.

Algerian Secret Service says they warned France on Thursday that attack was planned

Jewish supermarket terrorist is from same jihadi group as Paris killers. Reports that people were killed are wrong although one has been wounded

Israel has formally expressed concern

Obama has requested a briefing

Some commentators think that the terrorists want freedom to leave the country as price if hostage release

the chances are minuscule? Ah if i only I had my time machine to go back and tells Charbs and co that little gem. As well as the poor people in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Syria who suffer under these people. I also might inform my family of this little fact, as they are lucky to have escaped with their lives.

There must be a load of disguised EDL supporters on this thread. It is fucking insane to expect Muslims to apologise for something which is clearly nothing to do with them personally or ordained by their religion.
You may be a liberal free thinker or an aetheist but until I personally tell you to alter your faith do not fucking dare to tell these Muslim posters what they should or should not believe. So glad to see people treating Muslims extra nicely today in my city. Really going the extra mile to show solidarity. I only hope MN can establish if there is a deliberate EDL ploy in existence because I see no evidence of this selective bigotry anywhere else outside of MN. What a fucking shame Muslims aren't covered by hate speech laws.

Yes. Chances still miniscule in France or UK.

Ribera mum

what's wrong with my statement?

It's what they want - a global caliphate

I've stated what Cameron and David Davis and David Canerons response is. What's wrong with that.

Can't you handle the truth?

Or do you have an issue with me personality that makes you compare more to Enoch Powell?

I gave up yesterday when the unwarranted personal attacks started

Yy permacult this has made horrifying reading.

Wet, you remember PLO? Do you also remember Ariel Sharon? Do you also remember Tom Hurndall?

WetAugust it wasn't a personal attack :)

FWIW I've seen some pretty scary statements on Islamic forums.

I like living in a liberal democracy. I will not let terror win by embracing some right-wing dystopia. That's cowardly.

This

I don't care what the actual odds are of it happening it me personally. I care about the fact that it happens to anyone at all

Every victim is a father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, colleague..... One single death affects hundreds of people who knew them and thousands if people who didn't

Crikey it's a herd mentality on here - we have a problem but as long as the wolf only kills some if the herd we will survive

And saying that I'd like to keep an eye on the wolf before it gets near the herd makes me Enoch Powell

Good luck sheeple. I hope your well thought out strategy works

I like living in a liberal democracy. I will not let terror win by embracing some right-wing dystopia. That's cowardly.

Yep, exactly this!

Do the people who are generalising all Muslims (and saying they should apologise), not realise that the poor policeman shot yesterday, whilst lying wounded on the ground, was a Muslim! These extremists are so deluded they don't care who they kill.

I'm sick of seeing edl crap on social media. I feel desperately sorry for the majority of the Muslim faith, they are being horribly criminalised for something a few whack jobs are doing.

We need to get some perspective and come together (like the #illridewithyou trend after the Australian attacks).

rant over. I'm going to the sho for wine.

Concerns me that the suspects were on America's no fly list , I wonder how many UK citizens are on it at the present time ?

Janine please do not peddle more conspiracy theories. The Madrid train bombings were carried out by Islamic extremists who blew themselves up when surrounded by police.

Anybody else slightly disheartened at the police response? The news says tens of thousands of police have been deployed, suspects (in both hostage situations) were known to police... and yet they somehow get hold of automatic weapons and they seem to be doing as they please is there no way to stop this?

WetAugust it's not that at all. I am gutted for those people and their loved ones.
However, this is a gift to the media. It's random and it's terrifying.
The reality is that nearly 2000 people died on UK roads each year. Most of them are moured quietly, the greater pu bloc unaware beyond perhaps a brief local news snippet.
Where is the terror to go on the roads? The rage at these killers among us?
Not there. Why not?

I certainly don't blame Muslims as a whole, that would be preposterous thinking, I blame extremists and if we have to del with them in a extreme way, so be it.

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

is there no way to stop this?

I fear the genie is long out the bottle. Today and tomorrow may not end well.

I don't believe criticizing extremists or even Islam in general is blaming Muslims as a whole. Much like there are horrific governments all over the world and we don't blame countries as a whole.

I gave some suggestions on how to tighten up security down thread.

On a happier note. Abu Hamza gets sentenced this afternoon. He's asking for the sentence to be less than life as he doesn't want to die in prison and because he has disabilities

I expect he'd get an ASBO and 4 hours community service if he was being sentenced in the UK. We didn't even gave the guts to convict him of anything. Ah well, the American tax payer can foot the bill

So if we can accept 2000 deaths a year as an acceptable price for mass car ownership, why not say 20 or 50 deathe a year as the price for western liberal values?
A death is a death. What's the difference?

Oh the terrorist apologists return.

They have had plenty of chances to kill random members of the public and haven't.

Oh I guess being in a kosher supermarket means you are not a random member of the public, right? It means you are a legitimate target?

They're such good guys, aren't they. Only the guard, the cop and the visitor getting killed is a bit 'boo hoo'. The rest are legitimate targets, apparently.

Extremism is the problem here, but it is absolutely shocking how many people - even on mumsnet - seem to be so eager to defend extremists.

We can't go around deporting people who were born here and nor can we put them all in camps. There might be some ways to improve things though.

We can make this country welcoming generally, but unwelcoming to people who take their religion so strongly and literally that they will never be able to cooperate. And that's who we want to keep out isn't it?

We can remove all special arrangements for religions. For example if people want kosher food that's fine, but we don't have to force it on whole schools and other places. People with special requirements can make their own arrangements.

No segregation at all. No special seats for men. No banning of films that some religion might not approve of and so on. You might consider 'no circumcision without a medical reason'

We probably will have to leave the EU just so we can limit immigration to a trickle, but who do we stop coming in? Muslims don't have labels and you certainly can't tell one who is prepared to make a life here from one who hates us.

But people have been saying that many Muslims are flexible in their belief and there may be a rough and ready way to test that.

Make up a test for all people who apply to move here. Have them shake the hand of a woman, scribble an image of Mohammed, pat a dog, touch a pork chop etc. Some might be able to fake it, but the ones off in cloud cuckoo land probably won't be willing to. Any Muslim (or orthodox Jew?) who really couldn't do that is not going to be happy here anyway and is going to be constantly asking for special arrangements.

Also them have (have everyone) say in front of a camera that they are willing to integrate and accept our laws. Might not stop people lying, but showing them lying when they say 'I never agreed to this or that' might be useful. It would apply to Christians too who who sometimes claim that church law comes first.

What we have tried to do up until now seems to be to make this country attractive to people who don't want anything to do with us or our way of life.

A death is a death. What's the difference?
Intention.
Very few deliberately drive with the aim to maim or kill.

Slaggy don't be preposterous this is not random at all, these attacks are planned for months and years and our intelligence knows about them but sadly many get through the nets.

And as for saying they are rare, tell that to those who die in them or those who like my family personally suffer for years and are still suffering from events like these, being shot at is not a walk in the park i hear!