islamist extremists strike in france

[KareninsGirl]

My thoughts are with the victims of the latest barbaric act by Islamic extremists.

The world needs to wake up and defend itself.

RIP those who died and prayers for those critically injured.

at French magazine office www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

it's not utterly ridiculous at all. It would be unbelievable for it Not to be an Islamic country. no use getting upset about it you can't stop it

No British paper has had the guts to reprint the cartoons, as the German and Belgian papers have

There is a moderate Muslim lady on Newsnight telling us that some rake mento of Islam gave declared war on us but we have not acknowledged that

And the set of Newsnight has a print of the cH cartoons but any controversial part has been obliterated

This is appeasement and people who refuse to use their right to stand up for their beliefs will lose that right.

Police have surrounded an apartment block in Reims. No arrests yet

Assad who gases and slaughters his own people in vast numbers: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796175/Syria-chemical-weapons-the-proof-that-Assad-regime-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html

Claig, you know nothing about Syria, you've never been there, I doubt you know any actual Syrians in real life. Today's event are horrific enough without you using it as an pretext for your usual cheer-leading of a dictator who's regime has destroyed the country. Assad doesn't fight ISIS, he helped create them.

Dreaming - you are spot on, but people are too busy getting their froth on.

WetAugust. What evidence do you have to support your belief that the UK will become an Islamic State?

'And yes the bible is just as bad'

Christianity is mainly about the New Testament, not the Old Testament with the fire and brimstone stuff.

There are billions of Muslims and these jihadists fanatics are a tiny minority, sometimes funded by rich backers to overthrow secular regimes like Assad's.

The extremist factions were aided in attempts to overthrow secular Arab regimes in order to prevent strong national leadership for Arab countries which would prevent them being exploited for oil. Libya has been turned into a hellhole as jihadists destroy a united and once prosperous country and set it back decades, just as what is now being attempted by the jihadists and their rich backers in Syria.

dreaming, yes - sadly it always seems to be the same wherever terrorism takes root.

If they left their id in the car it was deliberate, imho. They didn't self-sacrifice, they want people to know who they are. They want their bosses/colleagues to know what they have done. They perhaps want to inspire and encourage people who know them. They want the public and the authorities to know who did this. They want people to know they are still at large, so they feel afraid. They want the police to try to find them. And then, I'm guessing, they want their showdown. Depressingly predictable.

Caffee is again correct. but still people want to think of it as 2 separate Islams - a good one that most Muslims follow and a bad one that fundamentalists follow.

Sorry, the clue is in the name - fundamentalist I.e. Bare, stripped down, devoid of intellectual thought, basic. Follow to the letter what's written in the book. The 'good' Muslims have studied the book and realised that it also tells them to obey the law of the country they are living in etc

it's like me having someone drive into my car accidentally tomorrow and me getting out and kicking dents into their car. An eye for an eye etc the Bible tells me, but I realise that that approach is bollocks which will probably get me beaten up by the other driver who is will then have to beat up in return..... Fundamentalists don't have that sophistication and use their religion to legitimise their barbarism.

Nonsense, Claig. Where do you think the 10 Commandments live? Where do you think the suff about killing gays comes from? The OT.

And, have you actually read the NT yourself? Sweetness and light, it ain't.

The Bible is just as bad as the Koran. Which is not surprising give that both were penned by primitive cave dwellers in the Bronze age.

It's quite extraordinary that we still have so many otherwise rational human beings alive today willing to set such store by such piles of ranting rubbish as the Koran and The Bible.

The worst thing about both Christianity and Islam is that THEY ARE NOT TRUE. People die every day because of primitive myths.

'If they left their id in the car it was deliberate, imho. They didn't self-sacrifice, they want people to know who they are. They want their bosses/colleagues to know what they have done. '

Then why did they wear balaclavas to conceal their identities?

Sorry Marjory. Not falling for that trick.

I was just asking you to support your previous posts not pull a rabbit out of a hat.

'And, have you actually read the NT yourself? Sweetness and light, it ain't.'

It seemed like it to me.

'Which is not surprising give that both were penned by primitive cave dwellers in the Bronze age. '

Neither the New Testament nor the Koran were written in the Bronze Age.

Balaclavas are pure psychological terror Claig. They scare people.

I just cannot understand how/why these evil extremists were carrying their id. They stopped to pick up a shoe but left their id. Deliberately left their id to be found. Odd.

Hope they are not shot down but made to stand trial and suffer.

Claig perhaps because men in balaclavas are much more intimidating than men whose faces you can see - and they want to spread fear both in the people they targeted and among the public at large.

'Balaclavas are pure psychological terror '

Firing at people with AK47s is terror. If they wanted their identities to be known, they wouldn't need to leave their IDs behind in their getaway car.

x-post with Wet re the balaclavas.

babbas I suspect they were leaving a card for any and all of the reasons I suggested above.

Who says they left ID behind? I have not read any reports that say they did

I'd like to see them shot to pieces, on live TV with replay function available for the next 30 days.

Christianity is mainly about the New Testament, not the Old Testament with the fire and brimstone stuff.

Claig don't waste my time with that crap today. Your holy book says in it to kill people for being gay or just to please god. It's not just fire and brimestone. It's murdering men, women and children. I know most Christians have decided not to follow those bits these days and I'm glad of that, but while you carry it around you are encouraging murder and hatred.

You tell people that the god of the OT is the same god as Jesus and you get your commandments from the OT. Tear it in half and discard the OT and then maybe you can say it's about being meek and mild.

The only difference is that there are a lot of Muslims who haven't got into the habit of picking and choosing yet.

Claig, you can shoot someone with an AK47 from a distance, they would know nothing about it until they were hit and dying.

When someone in a balaclava approaches and they aren't a genial hiker at high altitude in the depth of winter, you psychologically know they do not wish you well so the fear they desire to create is there even before the gun is apparent - especially if you and your place of work has been threatened/attacked in the past.

'Your holy book says in it to kill people for being gay or just to please god'

Jesus Christ's words are in the New Testament, not the Old Testament, and Christ never said anything about killing gays. That has nothing to do with Christianity. There is no encouragement or "murder or hatred" in what Christ taught in the New Testament.

There is an interesting debate developing this evening in the media. it goes like this: Yes, you can say your country has historically been Christian < whatever. >. But we were born in this country and therefore have a legitimate claim for this country to be < whatever>. So, what is being said is that tradition can be overturned by the current population. Just because you've had a certain culture for centuries does not mean you will keep that culture for centuries to come as the newcomers fight is as legitimate as the long established

Now that's an interesting argument, as in the UK we've accommodated that via multiculturalism whereas in France they have gone down the secular route.

Depressing but entirely predictable that it only took to page 5 of this thread before 'it's all the fault of the Zionists [aka Jews]' was trotted out.

As said above, this is exactly why we have the problem we have. Because sufficient numbers of supposedly rational Muslims refuse to accept Islam can do wrong and pick the easy route of blaming a conspiracy of Zionists/the West for everything that members of their own faith do wrong. They need to get their own house in order. Terrorism in N Ireland stopped when ordinary people on both sides said enough was enough. These terrorists are getting their money and support from somewhere. And it sure as hell ain't Israel.

'Now that's an interesting argument, as in the UK we've accommodated that via multiculturalism whereas in France they have gone down the secular route.'

Exactly. And Le Pen defends the French model, and some of our political class said that our model had failed, but listening to BBC Newsnight tonight you would never guess that as they came out with the usual progressive message.

"So farewell then, multiculturalism, dumped like prog rock and fondue sets in that dustbin for fads, the 1970s. Shall we kill it off? asked the man from the Times. "Yes, let's do that," replied Trevor Phillips, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality. "Multiculturalism suggests separateness. We are in a different world from the 70s."
Just four years ago Phillips served on the Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain that produced a blueprint for multiculturalism. But now, in an instant, the inviolable wisdom of a generation of liberals is buried. Confirming the sudden passing of the idea, Polly Toynbee, writing yesterday in this paper, congratulated Phillips: "[He] breaks with unctuous, unthinking platitudes about the richness of all diversity in a multicultural society, as if any difference was a self-evident asset."

www.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/08/religion.race

claig you deny that Jesus is god and you deny the 10 commandments?