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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig · 10/12/2014 17:51

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

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Hakluyt · 13/12/2014 11:48

"The entire front bench for a start"

Names?

claig · 13/12/2014 11:52

I don't know their names. But that is the whole point, it doesn't matter who they are because they are UKIP, they're the People's Party, they are like us and share our views and "the other lot can all go and stuff themselves".

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Hakluyt · 13/12/2014 11:56

So if you don't know their names how do you know what sort of people they are?

claig · 13/12/2014 12:08

UKIP will absolutely destroy the Conservative Party in less than 10 years. More and more Conservative councillors will defect to UKIP as they start to realise that they don't stand a chance of getting enthusiaistic support in the future. All the hope, all the enthusiasm, all the volunteers will move to the People's Army.

The real tragedy though is for the Labour Party, who claim to be the People's Party, but are stuffed full of policy wonks and people who think it is amazing that some people with white vans have England flags outside their homes.

Labour are dying in Scotland and they only beat UKIP in the Euro elections in Wales by 4500 votes. UKIP will soon start beating Labour because UKIP is the real party of the people, the one that shares their views.

The death of Labour is the Establishment's fault. They needed to control Labour so they stuffed it full of Fettes schoolboys from Oxford with PPE degrees, but that started the process of Labour's eventual decline and divorce from the people. They don't know how to communicate with the people any more, they don't laugh at the same jokes, they don't think like the people any more, they think it is "amazing" to see England flags outside anyone's home. They don't understand why the "OOKIP" woman said "they can all go and stuff themselves", they thought she would vote for them.

Farage can laugh with the people, share a pint and share values with the people right in Miliband's seat, right in his backdoor, and Miliband unfortunately can't. He is left badgering Gareth in the park and trying to desperately understand the public mood.

"Speaking about his recent visit to Mr Miliband’s seat, Mr Farage said: “The welcome I received was eye opening. No, not everybody told me they were going to vote for Ukip next year, but everybody told me they were utterly fed up with the Labour Party which they had always believed was supposed to be on their side.

“Not a single person had a good word for Ed Milliband, not as a man of course, but as a politician. Essentially, Labour is losing its heartlands.”

One Labour source last night conceded that Mr Miliband could come under pressure from Ukip in his constituency."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11219710/Ukip-plot-to-unseat-Ed-Miliband-at-the-general-election.html

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claig · 13/12/2014 12:10

"So if you don't know their names how do you know what sort of people they are?"

Because they are UKIP, People's Army. However, we know that the Establishment will put their people into UKIP to try and destroy its appeal to the people, so we want to kick Establishment types out.

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Hakluyt · 13/12/2014 12:10

So, no names of "front Benchers" then?

claig · 13/12/2014 12:16

'they were utterly fed up with the Labour Party which they had always believed was supposed to be on their side'

This explains the rise of UKIP, we think they are on our side. We know the Establishment aren't as they turn off our street lights, try to introduce minimum alcohol pricing and everything else they do without asking us and instead just lecture us.

The real reason that the "OOKIP" woman said "the other lot can all go and stuff themselves" is because she knows, as all of us know too, that the other lot are not on our side, and that is why we have abandoned them and turned to UKIP who we think are "on our side".

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WetAugust · 13/12/2014 12:18

This wonderful thing called the interest allows people to retrieve information, so if you really want to know the names of UKIP front bench spokespersons then a Goggle search is a good way to start.

I'd just ignore the teasing and scorn Claig.

claig · 13/12/2014 12:19

'So, no names of "front Benchers" then?'

I know some of them, but it really doesn't matter, who cares? They are UKIP and if they were replaced by someone else, they would still be UKIP. They're all People's Party.

But there is Diane James, Loiuise Bours, Suzanne Evans, Patrick O'Flynn, Tim Akers etc - all great people who share the values and aspirations of the People's Army. But if they went, other good people would replace them. This is the People's Army, talent is the one thing we are not short of.

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BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 13/12/2014 14:30

OK, so where Farage and the Mail clash, you go with the Mail - that's interesting.

But it doesn't change that kids are actually dying because of a Mail-induced moral panic: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/2231797-Guest-post-I-want-MPs-to-stand-by-my-daughters-grave-and-tell-me-that-our-drugs-policy-works

Surely you can't think that's right?

(It also sits rather oddly with your opposition to minimum alcohol pricing - should the state be telling us what to do, or not?)

claig · 13/12/2014 14:54

'OK, so where Farage and the Mail clash, you go with the Mail - that's interesting.'

No I go with what I think is right. On drugs, I think the Mail is right and Farage is wrong.

On Putin and Ukraine, I think the Mail is wrong and Farage is right.

It all depends what the issue is. I love this line in the brilliant Five Tribes of UKIP article that the usually pathetically politically correct Conservative Home site published

"Even Farage, whom they [the People's Army] hero-worship, could get himself into trouble if he put himself at odds with them."

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2014/12/the-five-tribes-of-ukip.html

Farage is not always right and if he starts slipping up and crossing the People's Army then he is making a fatal mistake. Farage must always keep in mind "OOKIP" woman who represents everything the People's Army hold dear "the other lot can all go stuff themselves". If he strays from that, then he is on the start of a very slippery slope indeed.

I disagree with the legalisation of drugs because drugs being addictive can hook people and I don't want people to wreck their lives being hooked on drugs. I oppose the pop industry and all these pop stars who write songs and promote videos that in any way glamorise drugs. I am sick of seeing these people elevated and lauded by our Establishment. I am sick of the Establishment propaganda for it and I am sick of watching their BBC Establishment promoted celebrities making programmes putting across the Establishment case. I am sick of seeing these billionaires interviewed on our TV news advocating it and I don't want pharmaceutical companies to earn money out of promoting it. I want very long prison sentences for dealers that mean what they say (no coming out early or having served half their time). I want more police employed to stamp the scourge of drug dealing out and I want to reduce their paperwork so that they can get on with the job.

"(It also sits rather oddly with your opposition to minimum alcohol pricing - should the state be telling us what to do, or not?)"

The state should be us, we the people should decide what happens in referenda and local referenda and the state should carry out our wishes. The state should not be "them" (some Oxbridge Establishment selected and promoted PPEs) but us the people.

I believe in a common sense state (I'm People's Army) and the state should enact laws that the majority agree with (not what a tiny clique of metropolitan elite luvvies decide is right for the millions of great people that make up this country).

Let the luvvies put their wish to impose minimum alcohol pricing policies to the people in a referendum and let the luvvies put their wish to legalise drugs to the people in a referendum. Let the people decide. I think I know what the answer will be - it would be what "OOKIP" woman so eloquently said "they can all go and get stuffed".

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claig · 13/12/2014 15:16

'But no politician will touch it because, essentially, the Mail would go apeshit.'

It is the Daily Mail that stops them trying it. These politicians, many of whom are effectively just puppets who can be lobbied by corporations and billionaires, would do what Big Pharma wanted if the Daily Mail wasn't there to go "apeshit" and tell the people what they were trying to do.

All their BBC backed Establishment promoted comedians, celebrities and pop stars can't beat the Daily Mail because as so often the Daily Mail represents what the majority of the people think, not what the metropolitan elite think.

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BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 13/12/2014 20:50

The thing is...

(this is not a particularly major issue for me, but it's interesting to have you talking about your actual thoughts rather than spouting soundbites)

...a 'harm reduction' policy is precisely to stop people hooked on drugs from wrecking their lives.

For example, heroin kills around 700 people in the Uk per year; most of these could be avoided with standardised strength of drugs and needle exchange.

Alcohol kills around 40,000 people per year in the UK. If the alcohol pricing policy reduced that by just 2%, that'd be 800 lives saved.

Neither of these are easy choices to make, but don't you think they deserve more thought than just whatever the knee-jerk reaction of 'The People' is?

I mean, making a decision on these things involve a lot of reading dull statistics and looking at graphs and stuff. Most of us can't be arsed. That doesn't mean our 'common sense' reaction is right.

claig · 13/12/2014 22:23

".a 'harm reduction' policy is precisely to stop people hooked on drugs from wrecking their lives."

But people are hooked on drugs because of the supply. Making the supply legal will just increase the supply and end up hooking more people. This will end up ruining more lives over the long term than ending or drastically reducing the supply which leads to people being hooked. The number of people dying per year will decline if you limit the supply, it won't remain at 700 per year.

What they are arguing for is to reduce the 700 dying per year by legalising supply, but the result will be to trap and hook many more people in the net. And of course, the government will earn tax money from this net and the billionaires and pharma will earn money from this net legitimately and more people will become dependent and caught in this net and more people will therefore suffer and have health problems which will lead to shortened and ruined lives.

The alternative they don't mention is not the status quo but to limit the supply by arresting and jailing dealers and increasing police numbers so that fewer people become hooked in the first place.

"Alcohol kills around 40,000 people per year in the UK. If the alcohol pricing policy reduced that by just 2%, that'd be 800 lives saved."

I would like to see their figures to see if it was alcohol that directly caused those deaths and also over what period alcohol actually caused it if it did. We live in a free country (although increasingly the elite are telling us more and more what to do and telling us more and more how to lead our lives without asking us which oc course is leading to teh rise of people saying "they can all go and stuff themselves"). Alcohol has been part of our culture and traditions and way of life for centuries in Britain. We are not in a country whose culture bans alcohol. Our liberties are being restricted by busybodies telling us what to do in our country without asking us (which of course has led to the rise of teh People's Army).

"Proudly anti-intellectual, the People’s Army knows what it is against (banks, bankers, toffs, Brussels, immigration, human rights, political correctness, busybodies, jobsworths and Little Hitlers)"

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2014/12/the-five-tribes-of-ukip.html

These busybodies pretend that an increase in alcohol prices which will restrict a free market (which those modernising Tories pretend they believe in) from allowing the offer of 2 for 1s so that people can freely choose to save money by budgeting and taking up offers in a free market, will save lives and they have graphs and figures to tell us why. We don't believe them, where is their evidence? Also what these busybodies always do is claim that they are preventing harm but their policy results in harming the miliions who don't die by buying 2 for 1s in order to cut down those that they say do. Their argument is always "if it saves just one person then it is worth it" and that is wrong because it restricts the liberties and rights of millions to save what they claim is 1.

There is a balance in a free society and self-appointed busybodies and charidees and pressure groups have no right to make policy that affects millions without putting it to the people in a referendum. Plus the People's Army believes that one hidden objective of their policy is really to raise more tax and revenue from ordinary people and the elite are not bothered by these policies because they have enough money not to be affected or because they are flipping their homes and enjoying publicly subsidised alcohol in their publicly subsidised House of Commons' bars.

"Neither of these are easy choices to make, but don't you think they deserve more thought than just whatever the knee-jerk reaction of 'The People' is?"

They are spending public money (our taxpayer money) to write their reports and they have a duty to put it to the public before trying to sneak it in and get it through. They invite Brand with his ripped jeans to their Parliamentary Commissions and make a mockery of our democracy (paid for by the taxpayer) and use trendies and celebrities and hyped clowns (whom the BBC sometimes asks to make TV programmes that they promote to argue for a change in public policy) to get their policies through and pretend that that is what the public approve of because the celebrities are popular and well-known. They have to ask the people before they spend our money and make policies that affect us.

"I mean, making a decision on these things involve a lot of reading dull statistics and looking at graphs and stuff. Most of us can't be arsed. That doesn't mean our 'common sense' reaction is right."

Who makes teh final decision and who lobbies them and who benefits from their decisions? Is it the Exchequer, the billionaires and Big Pharma or is the people and the People's Army? Their arguments are nearly always one way only - how good the great and the good are being to us the people, but never what harm they are doing to the people and to their rights, freedoms and liberties.

Put it to the People's Army. Let's see if they agree. It is called democracy.

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claig · 13/12/2014 22:30

Ask "OOKIP" woman, not Russell Brand, because she represents the people and that media-hyped millionaire clown doesn't.

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Icimoi · 13/12/2014 22:40

Wow, claig, you seem to have spent hours on these UKIP threads in the last few days. I fear that that may be the explanation for the lack of connection to reality that you continue to demonstrate.

claig · 13/12/2014 22:44

"Tax and red tape close 6,000 pubs over the past eight years: Drinks taxes in UK are so high they are responsible for 40% of entire EU alcohol duty
Since 2006 number of pubs has fallen by 20 per cent from 58,000 to 48,000
Last decade is most drastic drop compared to last forty years of decline
Smoking ban, alcohol duty increases and decline in real wages to blame
A think tank is calling on the government to help save the British boozer
Demands watering down of smoking ban and cuts in taxes on alcohol"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2867715/Drinks-taxes-UK-high-responsible-40-EU-alcohol-duty.html

"Drinks taxes in UK are so high they are responsible for 40% of entire EU alcohol duty"

These busybodies are always screwing the people of Britain.

"Since 2006 number of pubs has fallen by 20 per cent from 58,000 to 48,000"

We like our pubs, they are social gathering places where the people (and yes, the People's Army and yes "OOKIP" woman) like to meet and have fun and entertainment. They have shut 20% of our pubs since 2006 under their PPE rule. They didn't ask us. They didn't ask "OOKIP" woman, she would undoubtedly have had something to say about that.

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claig · 13/12/2014 22:46

"you seem to have spent hours on these UKIP threads in the last few days"

I'm a fast typer and reader and keeping it real is my guiding principle.

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Hakluyt · 13/12/2014 23:48

So, what policies will be in the first UKIP Queen's Speech?

claig · 13/12/2014 23:53

It is in the following document

www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Things like

scrap the Climate Change Act, end all green taxes and subsidies, scrap the bedroom tax, scrap HS2, scrap tuition fees for science degrees, leave the EU, bring in PR, local referenda and direct democracy, reintroduce grammar schools, take minimum wage payers out of taxation and raise tax threshold to £13500, control our borders, say no to TTIP for the NHS etc

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WetAugust · 14/12/2014 00:04

Boulevard

I agree with prescribing addicts heroin. It would ensure the drug was clean, allow them to work and live relatively normally, kill the illegal heroin market thereby making it less likely that more addicts were created, reduce crime as addicts did not need to fund their addiction, probably reduce the funding of terrorism by poppy farming in Afghanistan and would stop the drug barons making billions out of the trade.

Instead we give them methadone, which many of them top up with illegally sourced heroin anyway.

We have a crazy puritanical view about drugs in this country. Even when we agree that drugs like cannabis are beneficial to some conditions such as MS we have to puritanically ensure that the users don't get a pleasant hit from the drug - just the beneficial canabinoid

I disagree with increasing alchol pricing as I don't believe that it will have any effect. Sovial life will continue to be focused on clubs and pubs and people will find the extra money. the only people it may affect are those who decide not yo buy it because of increase cost but those people will not be the problem drinkers anyway.

Wee are always looking for sledgehammers to crack nuts in the country. We already have sufficient laws to tackle the alcohol problem, but we chose not yo employ them. I worked in a bar when I was younger. We were told never to serve anyone who appeared to be drunk. We never had hordes of people vomiting in the streets back then. We also have laws against public disorder and drunkenness. neither of these seem to be enforced anymore. Instead they want to tackle this by in reding price. it won't work.

But no mother key difference between then and now is that back in those days if you had a job you could probably afford to get a mortgage, so people saved for this. Yes, there was always the Saturday Night Sunday Morning culture but the young had hope of a comfortable life. nowadays the young have very little to look forward to as they are saddled with debt, on low wages, unable to get on the home ownership ladder, etc. You can understand why they live for the moment and hi out and get absolutely rat-arsed. Increasing alcohol prices would cure that

claig · 14/12/2014 00:18

"– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol."

www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Thank God for that. UKIP is the only common sense party in the country (different to all of the rest who "are all the same"). UKIP give a voice to the real majority that is never listened to and asked.

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claig · 14/12/2014 00:23

Here is a report from one of the think tanks showing that UKIP's policies are scaring the Tories into changing their policies in order to start listening to the real majority of the people whom they have ignored for ages. But it won'y help them, because teh damage has already been done, millions of people no longer trust them to have conservative values and don't think they are "on our side".

"Along with fresh posturing from David Cameron on the economy, immigration and welfare, a less-noticed change has been in the sphere of public health policy. Following Thursday’s results, Downing Street indicated that two government policies unpopular with UKIP-friendly anti-”nanny state” Conservatives, a 45p per unit minimum alcohol price and plain cigarette packaging, are being dropped and will likely not feature in the upcoming Queen’s Speech to parliament. While the former of these was foreshadowed in March following reports of cabinet battles, the latter was less expected."

civitas.org.uk/newblog/2013/05/post-ukip-rise-coalition-health-policy-shifts/

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claig · 14/12/2014 00:32

This is Peter Hitchens of the Mail on Sunday against Farage on drugs. Farage will never get his policy on drugs past UKIP voters because UKIP voters are traditional Conservatives and traditional working class Labour and they won't stand for minimum alcohol pricing or drug liberalisation because they do not share the opinions and values of the metropolitan elite.

The People's Army like Farage but he is not as deep a thinker as Peter Hitchens. Farage is more back of a fag packet which is why not all of his policies will get past the People's Army.

"Even Farage, whom they [the People's Army] hero-worship, could get himself into trouble if he put himself at odds with them."

"Nigel Farage, Drugs and a Major Reason for not liking UKIP People often ask why I’m not that keen on UKIP. The attitude of its leader towards drugs is a major reason , and I have to say that (see below) a party whose leader disagrees with its own policy on such a substantial matter is a very odd party indeed. Mr Farage uses all the tedious thought-free and fact-free boilerplate of the liberalisers, up to and including the silly use of the word 'prohibition' an absurd equation of our current position with US Alcohol Prohibition between the wars in the 20th century. I am grateful to Lewis Taylor for drawing this exchange to my attention (It’s in an interview of Nigel Farage, link below, done by the same University of York student who recently interviewed me)

Interviewer: 'We spoke to Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens last month and he wanted to know where UKIP stands and where you yourself Nigel Farage stand on the legalisation of drugs.

Nigel Farage: 'Hitchens and I disagree on this fundamentally. UKIP as a party takes the same view as Hitchens, that we haven't really enforced the law properly and that we have to get generally tougher. My own view is different. I think the war on drugs was lost many years ago. Hitchens will say it was never fought, I know. But we are where we are and drugs are now openly available not just in the streets of London, but in little hamlets and on the North Cornish coast. This isn't even an epidemic it's endemic. The history with prohibition as we saw with alcohol in America is disastrous. I feel a huge amount of crime, they call it petty crime but its not so petty if its your Grandmother is it? Who's been bashed over the head and had her handbag taken and I feel the more we can do to take drugs and the whole drugs industry out of the hands of the racketeers the better.’

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/10/nigel-farage-drugs-and-a-major-reason-for-not-liking-ukip-.html

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LittleBearPad · 14/12/2014 01:05
Hmm

And it's PPE-ist. If you're going to claim we're all on a mission to destroy the country at least get your terminology right.

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