Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

[claig]

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

'The party's over, its time to call it a day .. ta dah la la laa, ...when destiny leaves me'.

'Try using the term BREXIT and you'll find that the majority don't have a clue what you are talking about '

Yes, because I have always said it is not about the EU or immigration. It is far, far broader in scope than that which is why it has attracted millions of voters. It is about how we are governed and by whom we are governed, it is about people wanting to be represented by ordinary people who share their hopes, views and aspirations and not by a clique of Oxbridge graduates selected by the Establishment to serve the Establishment and ignore the people.

"ordinary people who share their hopes, views and aspirations"

What, like Nigel Farage?

Ositmebut, you don't really believe those opinion polss, do you?
Do you think the ordinary people in Essex and Kent care about UKIP's Roger Bird, PPE, and the so-called Labour defector Natasha Bolter etc.

Wait till the election and the debates to see how popular Farage really is.

Momb's analysis is quite accurate.

Claig

Think about this. You are recommending something that you have no first hand experience of.

It's like recommending a brand if coffee, not because you have actually tasted it, but because the advertising on TV is really persuasive and you really really want yo believe that there is a really good coffee out there and available to buy.

If you actually tasted the coffee you'd find it tasted like shit.

So what I am saying is, get thee to a coffee shop and sample this coffee you are recommending.

yes, there is a HUGE amount wrong with the way this country is governed and yes, I too am desperate for a party that will promise to improve matters but UKIP is not that party.

I think perhaps that you and I have different expectations. I want out of the EU everything rose is secondary whereas it appears you want a universal cure all for all the country's ills and, if you are totally honest with yourself, you would realise that no party can provide that. There has to be total societal change to enable that and society is too busy watching Eastenders.

I have lived through political change. It took people many many years, all through the 3 day week, the IMF bailout the lights going out, the Winter if Discontent etc before people of all political persuasions demanded change.

We are not at that point yet. Give a few more years when the country is bankrupt, when people cannot get basic healthcare, when criminality is rife and unaddressed, when the old are dying cold and alone through cuts in government spending... That's when the population will wake up and demand real change.

Tony Parsons on This Week last night was the only one who recognised just how badly and how rapidly this country is sinking. The politicians on the show were closer to the Westminster bubble and chorused Callaghan's crisis - what crisis?

there is a developing crisis but it needs to get a lot worse before any political party will even begin to tackle it

We're not at that point yet.

OK- so what do "ordinary people" care about?

What, like Nigel Farage?

Yes and because he is in touch, he is Britain's most popular politician.

"And in Mr Farage it has easily the most popular leader in British politics."

www.economist.com/news/britain/21603050-can-ukip-keep-coming-answer-could-decide-next-election-peoples-army

"You are recommending something that you have no first hand experience of."

But I have no first hand experience of endogenous growth macroeconomic theory, but I know how to spot a spinner and decide what I think is best for me. That is why we have democratic elections where people decide who they think would do a better job of running the country.

And your comments about parties no longer polling 40% are meaningless. In this first past the post system percentages are meaningless you could win with 1% of the vote if your opponents only managed yo get 0.5% of that same vote.

You need to realise that every general election is won or lost by a few thousand votes in a handful of marginal constituencies. labour! or any other party, could have 99% of the vote nationally but if it loses in those key marginals it will lose the election

What is more likely is a hung Parliament and then it's fins to negotiating and bargaining.

UKIP will be very lucky to keep Carswell and Reckless. I don't Farage will be elected. The party will win a few thousand votes in each constituency. I've seen it before. The Referendum party had 50k members. UKIP has 42k. The Ref party regularly polled 12% of the vote. The ref party gained no MPs.

Claig ... 'a day is a long time in politics'...and that link of yours is DATED MAY, please keep up with the polls, as per my post/link at the head of the page - which has a LONG LIST of other UKIP's oooopses - maybe this 'sex scandal' has been the straw that broke the camels back'???

"because the advertising on TV is really persuasive"

But this is what I have been saying, you cannot "recruit" People's Army, you cannot "spin" them, you cannot "win them over" as Cameron and Miliband and their Oxbridge teams will try to do because the People's Army ignore advertising, they already know why they vote UKIP and it is because it is in tune with what they think.

They don't change their way of thinking due to advertising and anyway all the advertising is negative - "fruitcake", "racist", "looney" but none of it works because the people are secure in how they think and know that these are all the last desperate tricks of the Establishment and their puppets as they try to stop the "political earthquake" that is going to topple the whole Oxbridge lot.

"maybe this 'sex scandal' has been the straw that broke the camels back'?"

That is what the highly-paid teenage think tank team of Oxbridge advisers have probably told Cameron. But I doubt even he believes that, as much as he hopes and prays that it is true,

Claig

This us not North Korea. The UK dies not have a tradition of voting on the cult of personality.

You are imbuing UKIP with ideas etc that you would like it to have, rather than it's reality.

You are gong go be seriously embarrassed as you watch these clowns bumble around at the run up yo the next election. If UKIP had all this undiscovered talent why does it keep recycling the same people so that a UKIP MEP is forced yo stand as a local councillor as well as standing as a MP? why did Zkeery a Smith fail the selection process then be resold red before bring deselected again. His dud the Fembot pass muster. It's because they have a dearth of talent their policies are attractive - it's just a shame their members have never read them or understood them

"But this is what I have been saying, you cannot "recruit" People's Army, you cannot "spin" them, you cannot "win them over""

Oh, ffs, of course you can! Why do you think Farage is always pictured with a pint?

Claig

I despair

I am surprised that dim dine who corns as long as you do on here supporting the party has not actually managed to meet these foot soldiers of the Peoples Army

"I think perhaps that you and I have different expectations. I want out of the EU everything rose is secondary whereas it appears you want a universal cure all for all the country's ills and, if you are totally honest with yourself, you would realise that no party can provide that."

UKIP is the start, it is not the end. UKIP is the revolution, what follows will fix things.

You have to understand how the country runs and who is in charge. The Establishment will never allow us to leave the EU just as it will never allow us to scrap their cherished Climate Change Act.

That is why it is only an anti-establishment party like UKIP that will get us out of the EU by defeating the Establishment's Oxbridge promoted politicians in a general election. By 2020, UKIP will be close to succeeding. But the people of Clacton know that just leaving the EU won't change anything, because the Establishment two-party Labour, Tory circus will still be in charge and follow Establishment wishes and ignore the people. That is why they voted UKIP, they are part of the People's Army revolution that wants to give power to ths people and that involves much more than just leaving the EU and leaving the same spinners in charge.

"has not actually managed to meet these foot soldiers of the Peoples Army"

That's because I am just a voter like millions of others. I am not a party activist, I am not interested in sitting in party meetings etc. I don't find that interesting, I find that boring. I just vote and I meet lots of other ordinary voters and they all like UKIP too.

I think Carswell is a joke, because i am just a voter, not someone in a party committee. I like Farage because I am just a voter.

Claig I do worry about your somewhat religious fervour with regard to UKIP, I seriously hope you have family and some support for after the election. I honestly don't know if you are aware, but a lot of what you say on here really doesn't make a great deal of sense. It comes over in an evangelical manner, and like many of these things, when looked at properly, actually says nothing at all.
I know you think I'm picking on you, or being rude, but actually, I honestly hope this is not the way you are in RL because that would be (even more) of an indication that you need some sort of help getting things into perspective.

The problem with referendum (and elections to a certain extent) is they create instability. Financial markets, whether you like them are not, are crucial to everyone and require stability to thrive.

The idea of frequent referendum is quite frightening to be honest. Imagine having something like the Scottish referendum frequently.

And on that note, given how close it was (and the reaction afterwards) now seeing how the oil prices have plummeted it scary how close we've all just come to a massive melt down for both north and south of the border that we would have been facing now.

I rather suspect that the benefit of hindsight for that referendum will play out and be used a lot over the next year or so.

If things become more unstable and unpredictable in Europe before the General Election, I also think that there will be a real reluctance by 'the People's Army' to also do the same here.

Claig

Yours is pipe dream. The four UKIP PPCs in my area can barely string a sentence together and you almost hope they continue to fail communicate as when they do manage to say anything it's usually a bigoted rant at benefits claimants or immigrants

My politics are well right of centre but some of the members are well right of Alf Garnett

I really cannot believe that Carswell and Reckless are experiencing a very different UKIP to this or that they will stomach it for long.

"You are gong go be seriously embarrassed as you watch these clowns bumble around at the run up yo the next election. If UKIP had all this undiscovered talent why does it keep recycling the same people so that a UKIP MEP is forced yo stand as a local councillor as well as standing as a MP? why did Zkeery a Smith fail the selection process then be resold red before bring deselected again. His dud the Fembot pass muster."

I am not because I know that the Establishment has its moles in UKIP, that they are trying to destroy it and I know how they will do it, by making it politically correct. There are plots and coups in UKIP, the media keeps talking of Farage being challenged as leader.

The reason Farage is so important is that he represents teh people's views and if the Establishment succeed in replacing him with a politically correct nonentity, then UKIP will be finished because they will become just like all the rest and then there will be no point in voting for them. We might as well then vote for the cleverer Oxbridge graduates in the Tory party instead, because they will all be the same and none of them will represent the people, so we might as well pick the cleverer ones with more "talent".

And claig you never did really respond to why UKIP ignored its own internal referendum and how that bodes for holding national referendum.

"It comes over in an evangelical manner"

Because I am having a laugh, but you don't understand my sense of humour.

You kid yourself Claig. You are much more involved than an ordinary voter. You are much more involved than many party activists. You certainly know the majority of the party's key policies. Would it surprise you to know that many of the PPCs I've met can't answer simple questions on key policies?

I sometimes wonder if you are deliberately staying in your isolationist bubble because to expose yourself to the reality would burst that bubble when you realised that this party is totally unelectable and I would be shit scared if they were ever elected

"I really cannot believe that Carswell and Reckless are experiencing a very different UKIP to this or that they will stomach it for long."

It wouldn't surprise me if Carswell one day defects back to the Tories and says UKIP are "fruitcakes". The media would love it, the Tories would love it and the Establishment would love it. But the people wouldn't care because Carswell does not really represent the people, it is Farage who does.

Of course UKIP don't have as many talented people as the Tories, because UKIP is made up of ordinary people who may not have received the best education possible. But it doesn't matter because they are more in touch with the people because of that. That is what really counts at the end of the day - who is in touch with the public mood - and Farage is.