Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

juliascurr, the EU is a big business club which is why Bob Crow was against it and was intending to campaign for No2EU, Tony Benn was against it and Arthur Scargill is against it. It strips sovereign nations of a lot of their democratic rights. It is part of the elite's globalisation plan which tries to open state industries to privatisation and to prevent state support for many industries, terming that anti-competitive.

UKIP puts the peopel above business and also supports small business which is against many of the EU regulations that can easily be absorbed by big business but which put a burden on small business.

As for Britain First, you have to ask yourself who they are and whose interest they serve. Why have they arisen from nowhere in such a short time and why have they received so much publicity. If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I am most certainly not and never will be, then I might think they were not for real and that they discredited other political parties that were against the interests of metropolitan elites.

It's certainly not a Tory plot, because for one thing, the Tories are not capable of pulling strings like that.

"But Ukip say it's a TORY plot

When we asked him about the group, Ukip's Head of Press Gawain Towler told us: "For all I know they could be a set up by the Tory party to smear us."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/surprise-you-how-similar-britain-4530710

You have to realise that the kitchen sink is being thrown at UKIP and the people in a bid to stop the people. The metropolitan elite are desperate. It's all crumbling around their feet. The plans, the schemes, the EU dreams are fading fast. It's over, the gap between the people and the elite is too vast.

Remember that UKIP are going to scrap the Climate Change Act. The elites are desperate to stop UKIP because all the schemes are going to collapse. Polar bear documentaries won't stop UKIP. There is panic in elite circles.

It's getting so desperate that Russell Brand has written a book and has been interviewed on BBC Newsnight about politics. The elite have no one to match Farage, the people's champion. The UKIP revolt is turning over safe-seats and delivering victory for the people. Think tanks are working overtime trying to stop the people. The elite are desperately looking for a trickster, a pied piper to fool the people and lead them up a climate change cul de sac.

As Alex Salmond calls them - The Three Amigos - are in dire straits, the people can no longer be corralled like sheep. The once mighty meeja are now laughed at by the people - their spin no longer works. The more polar bears they show on TV, the lower their poll ratings plummet. People are no longer fooled.

Farage has said that Rochester is Cameron's High Noon. It's over, the beginning of the end, no more lobbyists with A Fistful of Dollar spend, seeking government policy to bend. It doesn't matter whom the elite call on - The Three Amigos or the Good, the Bad and the Ugly - it's all going wrong.

The movie Once Upon a Time in the Westminster will have to be updated because the old days and ways are over. The elite know that the time is soon coming when there will be no more fuel poverty, no more green taxes, no more taxpayer subsidies to aristocrats to erect windfarms, they know all their schemes will be over. Poets will have to write a new stanza, because this is the people's revolt, the people's bonanza.

Farage the people's champion against the elite? oh, my sides
Dulwich College, Oxford, Investment Banker

Reckless was Marlborough College, Oxford, Barrister

Farage left school at 18 and went to work in the City. He never went to Oxford, he never did a PPE. That is why he is an outsider - not just another clone, puppet or Establishment insider.

That is why the elite are terrified of him because he is not a member of the club. Instead of red carpets being rolled out for him and doors being held open, they are slammed shut in his face. But he has outfoxed them, outwitted them, outsmarted them.

He has stood for the people against the elites and now the people are flocking behind him. UKIP will probably win its 271st most winnable seat in Rochester. There is panic among the PPEs, the great and the good and all the Establishment luvvies. They know their expenses will no longer grow on trees.

Yes, Reckless was an Oxford PPE, but he has joined the people and the people's party. He saw the light and did what was right.

'Farage the people's champion against the elite?'

You have to understand that the elite control the Establishment parties and open doors and roll out red carpets for members of the club who follow the elite's rules.

The elite's sacred cows are globalisation, the EU and climate change.

Farage is an outsider, not a member of the club - no red carpet for him, only vitriol and abuse - and he threatens all the elite's sacred cows.

He will scrap the Climate Change Act - creating panic among billionaires whose dreams and schemes will collapse overnight as the people are back in charge.

He wants to leave the EU - creating panic among billionaires whose dreams and schemes of a centralised, bureaucratic, globalised form of governance will collapse overnight as the people are back in charge.

He says no more free movement of labour - creating panic among billionaires whose dreams and schemes of a globalised free moving labour force will collapse overnight.

That is why Farage is against the elite and for the people and that is why the elite are throwing the kitchen sink at Farage. But so far none of it is working as the people understand the game and are on Farage's side.

They have called UKIP voters and members fruitcakes, they've called them looneys and they've called them racists. That is all they've got, that is the best they've got and it hasn't worked. They're losing. It's over.

All their clever spinners with PPEs are out of ideas - racist is all they can shout and it isn't working. And the reason is that there is no answer to the truth - spin and lies won't do. Farage tells it like it is, so insults are all that the spinners can use.

Julia if you followed the debate instead of making use of Wiki to find out where people went to school you would understand that the CBI receives funds from the EU.

He who pays the piper pays the tune.

Compare Farage to Blair.

Just because Blair was Labour means nothing. The elite control Labour too.

Farage - Dulwich College, worked in financial markets
Blair - Fettes, Oxford, PPE, barrister

Who is the people's champion, who challenges the Establishment's and billionaires' sacred cows?

Yada, yada, yada, UKIP are the 'no policy solution of their own' anti establishment whingers, headed by a FTSE owner and an ex city commodity trader - but in (lack of) substance, no different to theses other parties across Europe saying they are 'different' or a 'change',

'A grave moment for France': National Front sweeps to victory in Paris leaving Socialist government fighting for life - and in Germany a neo-Nazi is elected for first time in decades”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

• FN leader Marine Le Pen heralded victory for 'sovereign people of France'
• Results so far guarantee FN around a third of France's 74 seats
• Prime Minister Manuel Valls described result as 'a shock, an earthquake'
• President Francois Hollande holds 'urgent' talks with ministers after poll
• Germany faces having first far-Right candidate in decades
• Anti-Islamic party wins more than a quarter of vote in Denmark
• Radical left and far-Right in Greece both perform well
• Beppe Grillo's Five Star movement beaten into second place in Italy

“Francois Hollande has held an emergency meeting with his ministers this morning after a far-Right 'earthquake' saw the National Front triumph in France and voters across Europe turn to extremists and anti-EU parties.”

“With 80 per cent of ballots counted, the French interior ministry said that the anti-immigrant party led by Marine Le Pen took 26 percent of the vote, pushing President Hollande’s Socialist Party into third place with just under 14 percent.”

“It is the first time the party – which wants to cut immigration drastically and reduce the influence of Islam – has come first in a nationwide election in its 40-year history. Results so far have guaranteed the party around a third of France's 74 seats in the European Parliament.”

“Right-wing parties also gained ground in Austria, Demark and Greece, early poll results suggested.”

“German chancellor Angela Merkel said the rise of right-wing groups was 'remarkable and regrettable' and called for policies that could create jobs and improve competitiveness”.

But in the UK, the problems are being solved, so UKIP will just make matters our problems worse.

Claig & winkeywinkola …. If I was going to make crude political statements on social media, I’d at least do my homework, rather than appear ignorant to the obvious of a party’s record in power, that made our problems far worse, BEFORE the 'change' we needed, came into power in 2010.

_Blair gained electoral success in 1997 by pretending to move to the political centre ground, but Blair wasn’t running the government, he was just the front man here, but mainly abroad, Old Labour Brown was, and while Blair said one thing, Brown did the other.-

Look back at the New Labour changes to the outgoing 1997 Conservative government policies, and spot the reversal of a Cameron/Conservative led 2010 coalition government.

New Labour were generally anti business, manufacturing slumped from their early years, although thought deregulating the City/banking and seeing huge money and resulting tax receipt growth, would be the end of ‘boom and bust’.

New Labour were pro fat, inefficient State and raised many taxes to pay for it, in a typical old Labour ‘tax high, spend badly’.

New Labour killed Private Sector Final Salary schemes, reducing the tax benefits, diverting much of this money to property BTL, either mistakenly OR as a way to provide homes for their increased immigration policy – and gave derisory increases to pensioners on the State Pension.

New Labour were looking for social ‘diversity’, which was always going to significantly increase immigration, especially NON EU citizens, as the numbers now show.

New Labour are pro EU no matter what is thrown at us, Blair even gave back over 20% of the Thatcher rebate.

New Labour allowed a left wing education establishment to dilute our education reducing the chances of our children to compete with foreign workers seen as more able to provide what employers were looking for.

New Labour, would rather keep putting up benefits, rather than solve the problem.

New Labour although pro war on a lie, was not equipping our troops with enough bullets, vests, helicopters, mine proof vehicles etc as not as pro defence spending as they should be.

So what was the difference between OLD Labour and NEW Labour, as best UKIP work it out, as thanks to UKIP taking 2-3 times as many Conservative versus Labour votes, it is Miliband’s Labour that WILL be the largest party in 2015 and forming the next administration.

you do know I don't support the EU as currently constituted? Or Bob Crow No 2 EU? Or Labour?
if you want to avoid patronage by millionaires and the establishment, Paul Sykes (donated £1.46m, Stuart Wheeler old Etonian party treasurer(donated £200k), Sir John Craven, Lord Neldpath, Viscount Cowdray et al
People's party?
Really?

Isitmebut, all you are doing is deflecting from UK politics. UKIP is up for election in the United Kingdom, not France, Austria, Denmark and Greece.

UKIP will scrap the bedroom tax in the United Kingdom, raise the income tax threshold in the United Kingdom, scrap inheritance tax in the United Kingdom, scrap green taxes and tear up the Climate Change Act in the United Kingdom, scrap HS2 in the United Kingdom, safeguard the NHS from TTIP in the United Kingdom, change the postal voting system in the United Kingdom, bring in direct democracy, local referenda and PR in the United Kingdom and control borders in the United Kingdom.

That is why the Establishment parties in the United Kingdom, and the metropolitan elite, are in absolute panic mode. They know the game is up.

juliascurr, there is nothing wrong with rich people, millionaires and people from Eton supporting a people's party. They believe that the party is in the best interests of the people and the country. They are entitled to donate in a free country, just as a member of the metropolitan elite is allowed to donate to a party that wishes to bring in the Climate Change Act, save the planet and save the polar bear.

Rich people support different parties.

UKIP is a people's party, but that doesn't just mean for poor people. It is for all the people, including rich people.

UKIP will scrap inheritance tax totally. So if you are a rich person who has worked hard all your life and sweated to create a business and taken risks that employees did not take, then when you die, you will be allowed to hand your wealth over to your children and family without it being taxed. You will have paid tax on what you earned over a lifetime, but you won't be taxed again on death.

It won't be taken off you by a Labour government so that they can decide to use it to save the planet or save the polar bear by giving tax subsidies to aristocrats who didn't take risks in business but just happen to own land on which windfarms can be erected.

Claig ... re far right political parties across Europe gaining traction due to the worse recession in 100-years - spot the trend?????

UKIP policies are 'soundbites' as I've shown time and time again have no substance.

TTIP - no one can tell me what the (negative) difference is to the NHS pre versus post TTIP.

HS2 - as part of a joined-up-policy-plan to bridge the economic growth north-south divide, what has UKIP got AGAINST the north, not enough voters, hence scrapped the 2010 plan to build THREE new train lines??

Tax Cuts - nothing too different to Tory ones, only the Tories show how they'll be funded - and the Conservatives have a RECORD of delivering sustainable economies that ALLOW tax cuts in the first place, what does UKIP have - other than electoral lies what UKIP can do to bring us out of the EU?

Democracy Changes - from UKIP, to help UKIP - sp will allow the Labour Party and SNP to maintain Scottish MPs voting in Westminster and the Uk DON'T get an EU referendum UKIP campaigned on for 21-years.

UKIP have nothing, but will let back Labour.

'TTIP - no one can tell me what the (negative) difference is to the NHS pre versus post TTIP.'

"TTIP Could Make NHS Privatisation 'Irreversible', Warns Unite Union"

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/03/ttip-eu-us-trade-deal-unite-union_n_5554227.html

You won't hear the Labour PPEs discuss TTIP much because they are part of the club. But UKIP's Louise Nours has written a letter to the Unite chief saying that UKIP supports Unite in its campaign to make sure that the NHS is exempt from TTIP. UKIP can do this because they are not part of the club, they are outsiders, there are no red carpets rolled out for UKIP, they are just the party of the people.

"HS2 - as part of a joined-up-policy-plan to bridge the economic growth north-south divide, what has UKIP got AGAINST the north, not enough voters, hence scrapped the 2010 plan to build THREE new train lines??
"The continent is the final destination for HS2"

It is a colossal waste of taxpayer money at a time when millions have no work and our hospitals are in a bad state. There are better things tio spend our money on than knocking 30 minutes off travel time between major cities. And what will the fares be to use these trains? Who will use these trains paid for by the people? Will it just be the metropolitan elite on expenses and business people? And is it part of an EU plan?

"The London to Birmingham high-speed rail link is part of a Europe-wide scheme dreamed up Jacques Delors back in 1993."

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/9015342/The-continent-is-the-final-destination-for-HS2.html

'Tax Cuts - nothing too different to Tory ones, only the Tories show how they'll be funded'

No UKIP's cuts go further than the Tories and UKIP have said that they will pay for them by slashing billions off the modernisers' ring-fenced foreign aid budget. But the Tories have only said it is an objective and can't promise to do it.

"Democracy Changes - from UKIP, to help UKIP"

No, to help the people. The millions who vote Green and other parties will be enfranchised under UKIP, their voices will be heard. The metropolitan elite's two and a half party stitch-up, under the Three Amigos, will be over. The game will be up.

We are witnessing the beginning of the end of the Conservative Party and they only have themselves to blame.

We didn't care if they went to Eton or Oxford or had a PPE or were millionaires. So what?

But we did care when they ignored, disrespected and insulted the people. When they spun us and lectured us and hectored us and told us what to eat, drink, think and say. They didn't even bother to hide their disdain for ordinary people anymore, they got arrogant, they thought they could spin us to accept anything. They were the metropolitan elite and similar to how Matthew Parris wrote about the people of Clacton, we were the past, not the future.

Well this is the present and the people have had enough. Now we want a people's party, a party that is on our side and that listens to and respects us.

And it is not about the economy and it is not due to the recession, because the Tories get high ratings on the economy in polls.

It is because people have had enough of all of them, of the whole club, because people no longer think these people are on our side. They don't think like us, they don't sound like us, they don't have our aspirations and they don't care for us, and now we have had enough.

The Establishment and their media call it "anti-politics", but that just shows their disdain for the people. They imply that we are anti politics and don't care about political issues, when it is the exact opposite that is the truth. The reason we bother to walk to the polling station and cast a vote for the people's party is because we care about politics, the country and the people. All we don't care for is the metropolitan elite and all their spinners and hangers-on.

This is all about politics, real politics, people politics and is against stitch-ups and the cosy consensus of an out-of-touch disdainful metropolitan elite. And that is why there is panic in elite circles and newspaper articles and political TV programmes as spinners form all parties desperately try and put Humpty Dumpty back together again and stop the people from being anti them rather than anti-politics.

"A fortnight or so ago, as part of the campaign for this week’s Clacton byelection, Douglas Carswell and Nigel Farage addressed a public meeting. The hall where it was held is only a stone’s throw from Jaywick, the jumble of former holiday chalets and potholed streets that is reckoned to be the poorest council ward in England: on the face of it, a symbol of the kind of deep social problems that tend to be synonymous with political apathy. That night, though, about 900 people turned up.

It’s said that Farage considers it the most extraordinary meeting he’s ever experienced ."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/clacton-byelection-parties-defiance-coast-strood-ukip

That is not anti-politics. That is people who care, who hope, who want better. And it is the same all over the country. And that is why the spinners in Establishment parties are panicking. They all know the people have had enough and want something better.

It is the metropolitan elite's fault. They ignored us, insulted us and took us for granted. Now we are witnessing their decline and what I think will be the long, slow decline of the Tory Party as it is displaced by a people's party.

A short clip from what Farage has called "the most extraordinary meeting he's ever experienced".

It was ordinary people in Clacton, Essex that made it extraordinary. And it is ordinary people all across the country who are carrying out the extraordinary act of changing politics forever by voting for the people's party and wiping the smug smiles off spinners' faces by toppling established party candidates from what were only recently safe-seats.

ukip'll take any dish from legitimate sour EU that us offered to it, like all the parties do.

The difference is that when you donate to a party that has it within its gift to return the favour by giving you honours or power you are probably donating in the expectation that you will be honoured.
UKIP has no honours to bestow so any donations made to the party are in pursuit of a shared cause, not self- enrichment.

And I wonder if the Unions will be keen yo fund Labours election costs this time, now they know that the candidate they have foist on Labour is so unelectable.

Isitmebut. You are so out of touch, bleating on about France when no one us listening.

Even Claig has started talking to his/herself.

represent rich and poor people
no connection between rich getting richer because poor stay poor?
honestly? you believe that?