Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

Claig …… as WetAugust alludes to, sooooo many words, often answering your own quotes, BUT TELLING US NOTHING of what UKIP is offering, other than the anti politics, anti government rhetoric of ‘change’ and ‘different’ - that has sucked in so many people across Europe, who have not had the benefit of a Conservative led coalition, stimulating business, getting people (1.8 million) back to work, controlling immigration as best as any party can within the EU, building homes, and lowering our budget deficit.

UKIP are no different to those far right political parties “earthquake” in Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Greece, etc (mentioned within the link below) –the main difference being is here, it is UKIP for UKIP’s power - wanting to allow back into power the Labour party that got us into this mess (similar to governments the new parties in countries above want to get RID OF), for not supplying the answers to their problems.

Similar to 2010, the UK faces many economic, financial, social, and international problems -and either Labour, or the Conservatives, will form the next administration - and the bookies (a UKIP/Wheeler source of funding) still believe due to dodgy electoral boundary lines and UKIP splitting the Conservative vote, it will be Labour.

“Farage backs Miliband for PM; UKIP wants Labour to win the next General Election because it fears Cameron could win an EU Referendum.”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793688/farage-backs-miliband-ukip-want-labour-win-election-fear-cameron-win-eu-referendum.html
• Ukip have conceded privately they would prefer Labour to win next election
• Party thinks a PM Miliband less likely to win a referendum than Cameron
• Ukip claims it now poses an equal threat to Labour and Conservative
• But pollsters say a Ukip surge is likely to hand Labour victory over Tories

Therefore when in 2015 UKIP splits the Conservative vote, and lets back in Labour, who will be free to implement all the tax rises Labour planned AFTER the 2010 General Election to maintain their too few cuts, high spending economy, meant to also solve ‘the cost of living crisis’.

So come 2020, far from being the end of a Conservative Party with proven track records of low tax economic growth, voters will blame Farage, who similar to Clegg in 2010, offered in 2015 ‘change’ and ‘different politics’ – when UKIP could deliver nothing different.

As the fundamental country problems affecting ‘the people’ far from ‘defaulting back to zero’ in any General Election, those problems can get significantly WORSE without a big picture plan and/or broken/lame duck parliaments.

Sorry, wrong link above, I've had a senior moment - it should have been the one below again, waiting for an answer why UKIP are any different to the far right 'anti politics' parties mentioned.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

Claig …. Thank you for your answers on TTIP, HS2, Tax Cuts, and democracy as it PROVES they are just UKIP/political ‘soundbites’.

TTIP – you quote the trade unions warning of ‘irreversible privatisation’ of the NHS lol??? First of all, what is currently the privatisation figure of the NHS, 5%, and most of those contracts were entered into by Labour via PFI Contracts.

I go back to my earlier question which boils down to WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE between private companies contracts NOW, with shareholders to protect, with FUTURE contracts with the same shareholders to protect.

Governments are pants at wanting large, expensive, long term projects, where often THEY are to blame for giving the wrong original specs i.e. Labours NHS IT system and two aircraft carriers, and then THEY want to cancel them – so company contracts PROTECT their shareholders from government incompetence.

If the NHS, currently spending around £100 billion a year, and huge pressures ahead, DON’T NEED private sector finance/contracts, what is the problem of TTIP – but if governments, especially with honking great deficits NEED the private sector, then similar to NOW, they will protect themselves against incompetent governments and socialist trade unions.

HS2 – So your argument is that with a £1.4 trillion national debt, we should wait until it is paid off before spending on infrastructure like nuclear power stations, roads and railways – and allow the country to go to hell in a hand cart in the meantime – WHAT IS UKIPs FIGURES ON UK POPULATION GROWTH, now until say 2025????

HS2 costs what, £20 billion over 15-years, are you trying to tell me that in the north there is not ALREADY, train and road capacity problems, never mind the huge growth in the population whether we leave the EU or not – as how can you get the international private sector to move to, or begin their investment/jobs further north, if already log-jammed – and everyone knows it can only get substantially worse?

UKIP knew this in 2010 suggesting 3 new train lines, but pathetically changed their minds after, on a cost basis, which is stupid as the deficit was far worse in 2010, and became under control under the Conservatives GROWING the economy and needing better infrastructure.

Tax Cuts – I get the UKIP reason to stop UK aid going to help black, brown and white foreigners, but set at 0.7% of our GDP, it is currently around £11 bil a year, clearly subject to slower growth due to Europe next year - while UKIP’s tax cuts will COST £19 billion a year, on top of the £100 billion deficit likely in 2015 – so where are the other £109 billion of UKIP cuts or plans or joined-up-policies-for-growth, when coming out of the EU is likely to dent our growth for a while??

The Bedroom tax - in 2010, what was UKIP’s General Election promise to alleviated the UK housing crisis, in particular the 5 million individuals (1.7 million families) Shelter told us were ugently needing council/social housing – or did both Labour and UKIP forget them in their 2010 manifestos???

The so called ‘tax’ in 2010 was to try encourage those ‘few’ with over 800,000 spare/unused bedrooms, to trade down where possible, to help ‘the many’ waiting, as some measure to get bedrooms that need them, while the coalition looked to build more homes when the country was bust, than the previous administration when the country was swimming in money, but needing to be responsibilly spent.

In 4-years the coalition built more council homes than Labour in 13-years, and new home starts are getting better – so the emergency measure could be stopped by the Conservatives in 2015 if home builds rocket and few trade down giving up bedrooms, as well as the Lib Dems who based on the results/hindsight, would already cancel it.

Democracy Changes – so UKIP democratic focus on helping UKIP, _but letting the MAJORITY of us suffer, by letting Labour in for the UK NOT to have a democratic EU Referendum, England to still be governed using Scottish MPs - and leave English taxpayers to also trust Miliband NOT to bribe Scottish and Welsh devolution voters, with English money. .

You seem to have modernised, muddled, misinterpreted, mangled and manipulated everything that I explained.

I realise that you are an unreconstructed moderniser, an ardent adherent to the concept of modernisation and an inveterate luvvie, but your fervour for modernisation is clouding what little understanding you have left.

Don't you understand that it's over, that there is a new party in town, a people's party that puts the interests of people above business, the interests of hardworking people above lazy luvvies, the interests of ordinary people above mindless modernisers? Don't you understand what the good people of Clacton said and what the good people of Rochester are likely to say in spite of the Etonians, the public school boys, the modernisers, the luvvies and the Tories throwing "everything they have got" at the Rochester by-election? Can't you see that it's over?

Ordinary, decent, hardworking people (such as UKIP voters) are no longer prepared to see the modernisers get their hands on hardworking people's money in order to thorow it around like confetti and waste it by funding the Ethiopian Spice Girls and Columbian farmers to combat what the modernisers call "climate catastrophe" by counteracting the methane in cows' manure that they tell us is "harming the planet", when the Somerset Levels were not dredged which caused harm to teh livelihoods, businesses and homes of ordinary , decent, hardworking people in the United Kingdom?

Don't you realise that ordinary people are no longer prepared to let public school boys and luvvies spend more of their hard-earned money in ring-fenced foreign aid than Spain and Italy combined?

The public school boy party with the people's money is over. The Etonian extravagance, the modernisers' "millenium development goals" and the luvvies' lavish spending are being questioned by the people.

The public sector is exempt from TTIP, but the fear is that as some of our NHS has already been privatised that this may open the door to foreign hedge funds etc to expand privatisation of the NHS. We won't know until all teh trade talks are revealed, but at the moment the public, the people, the decent, hardworking people (such as UKIP voters) have not been told the detail of the negotiations.

UKIP are for the people. Patrick O'Flynn was on Newsnight last night and spelt out that big business would not ride roughshod over the wishes of the people under a UKIP administration.

It's a whole new world, UKIP are outsiders, they are not part of the cosy club. UKIP will shake things up. Modernisers are panicking. They know the game's up.

What the modernisers from Oxbridge and Eton and the finest public schools fail to understand is that the people are not stupid.

The people can no longer be won over by lies and spin and the establishment media. People integrate everything they have seen over the past 20 years - the disgraceful rise of pay-day loan companies, the shocking fall in take-home pay for millions of decent people, the disgusting proliferation of zero-hours contract for decent people, the disgraceful deterioration of our public services and hospitals, the endless squeezing of the middle classes, the fat cats who ruined our economy and were never jailed, the luvvies who lectured the public about what they were allowed to think, say, eat, drink or where they could smoke, the spinners who ignored decent people and spun for their own self-interest, the penalisation of poor people through the bedroom tax, the fining of pensioners who dared to put their bins out on the wrong day, the exploitation of workers whose wages were kept low and whose working conditions deteriorated year on year, the public school boys who pontificated and preached on TV while pocketing expenses and pay rises while the public suffered austerity.

After all of that, is it any wonder that the people have had enough?

Now there is only one question being asked. Whose side are these public school boys, modernisers and luvvies actually on? Everybody knows the answer, but the media won't say it.

Now the public is asking "Who is on our side?"
Is it the luvvies, the modernisers, the public school boys, the PPEs and the metropolitan elite or is it the People's Party? Everybody knows the answer, but the media won't say it.

"Two-third of voters in Tory marginals want NHS exempt from US trade pact

TTIP being negotiated between EU and US threatens to make privatisation of UK health services permanent, say critics"

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/voters-want-nhs-exempt-us-trade-pact-ttip-eu-privatisation

Do you think these public school boys and modernisers care what ordinary Tory voters think? They aren't even Tories, they are modernisers, just another lot of the same PPE metropolitan elite as the Labour luvvies.

That is why UKIP, the People's Party, are tearing up their lawns and toppling them from their safe-seats.

The left wing New Statesman gets a little bit close to understanding the rise of UKIP. But it still doesn't really get it. It doesn't realise why the Left and the Right, both sides of the one Establishment cannot let more working class people into politics. It is because the working class aren't part of the club, the in-crowd, the Establishment, the elite and they cannot be trusted to follow the elite's rules in the club like the PPEs, the puppets, the Etonians, the Oxbridge graduates, the luvvies and the public school boys will.

Ordinary working class people may shake things up, may demand change, may challenge the modernisers' and the metropolitan elite's plans and schemes. That is why they can't be allowed in as members of the club. But there is now a People's Party that is not part of the club and they are shaking things up and causing an earthquake that is toppling the club from their safe-seats.

"Want to defeat UKIP? Then get more working class people into politics

If the left could get a few more "normal" people into politics, perhaps it wouldn’t be left to the reactionary right to shake up the political establishment."
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And yet despite this, the party attracts widespread working class support. The average Kipper is more likely to have finished education at 16 or under than voters of the three main parties and is less likely to be university-educated or have an income over £40,000. In explaining the UKIP phenomenon, the media enjoys waxing lyrical about disillusioned right-wing Tory voters, but far more interesting is the class background of many of the UKIP’s prospective voters: these are conservatives but with very little to be conservative about.

In part this is the result of a clash between the London-based liberal left and the working class on whose behalf the former supposedly speak.
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The gradual disappearance of the working class from mainstream political life has created fertile ground for the type of anti-politics espoused by Farage. Recent polling by Lord Ashcroft found that a majority of UKIP voters were motivated, not by fondness for any particular UKIP policy, but by a more visceral feeling that UKIP is "on the side of people like me" and that "UKIP’s heart is in the right place".
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As well as being a moral imperative, if the left could get a few more "normal"- see working class - people into politics, then perhaps it wouldn’t be left to a Little Englander of the reactionary right to shake up the political establishment."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/01/want-defeat-ukip-then-get-more-working-class-people-politics

"UKIP voters were motivated, not by fondness for any particular UKIP policy, but by a more visceral feeling that UKIP is "on the side of people like me" and that "UKIP’s heart is in the right place".

That is what it is all about and the modernisers, PPEs and metropolitan elite have no answer to it but to insult the people. No amount of spin can fool the people any more. We all know who is on "our side" and who isn't.
That is why this election is causing panic in elite circles and puppets are worried that they won't be able to deliver for their masters.

Claig..... so many words saying NOTHING other than UKIP promotion.

But that is UKIP and similar far right parties all over Europe’s M.O., offer nothing tangible to the electorate reeling from a great recession, while spreading negativity and fear on relatively minor issues UKIP pretend put them ‘in touch’ with the electorate - who don’t understand how much worse it could have been.

Or indeed could still get after 2015, if thanks to UKIP parliament is too fragmented.

This is typical of UKIP in a leaflet coming through the doors in Essex a friend recently showed me.

Spot the cynical campaigning designed for all parties voters UKIP tells us puts them ‘in touch’ with those voters?

Spot the tricksy lack of mainstream issues UKIP don’t care about, but also might alienate one party’s voters or another?

“We’ve been let down by Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dem governments for too long”.

“For 20-years indentikit governments have ridden roughshod …..choices appear the same…made very little difference.”

”The record of failure speaks for itself.”

• Ruinous Middle East wars that made matters worse, not better.
• Appalling neglect and abuse of children in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and elsewhere.
• Innocent, caring parents imprisoned under a European Arrest Warrant.
• Open borders for convicted murderers from Europe to come in and out.
• Another wave of migrants at Calais, desperate to reach our benefits system.
• And they made a total hash of the Scottish Independence debate.

“Enough is enough….we can’t let this go on….we’re governed by a clueless class of professional politicians out of touch and out of ideas.”

The UK, its complex economy, its complex social problems, its unemployment its national debts, its need for an EU REferendum - are all being fixed by a Conservative government, while UKIP focusing on cross party propaganda, taking Conservative votes, want to let back in the Labour Party in 2015 and put it all at risk?

UKIP are 'for' UKIP, no one else.

Clearly nothing has changed over the past few years, as UKIP’s message is not what they can positively offer society, the economy and other mainstream issues, it is peddling negativity on smaller issues that individually COULD be attributed to a single political party – rather than use such blanket propaganda to pretend in is the whole of Westminster fault, and somehow UKIP would be ‘different’.

“Ukip Founder Professor Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' And 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing'”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

“However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter - the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."

"They're not an intellectually serious party.”

UKIP changing all their polices every few years, "modernizing" or "tricksy"?

Modernizing, UKIP style, deleting every policy, every old speech that may not be 'politically correct' for New UKIP, that really isn't much different to the old.

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”.
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed. While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review.”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

“Both these are outdone by the U.K. Independence Party, which has no record of any speeches made before March this year. The earliest news item is leader Nigel Farage’s New Year 2013 message.

'This is typical of UKIP in a leaflet coming through the doors in Essex a friend recently showed me.'

Of course Tory councillors are worried by UKIP leaflets telling the truth. They know the game is up. The people have rumbled what is going on.

Oh FFS Isitmebut. move on and stop regurgitating old crap. It's tedious

Or should we be screaming at the parties of the C20th that they ditched a manifesto commitment to hanging for murder etc etc etc

Manifestos are not legally enfircible. They are a wish list Your chum Dave knows all about masking promises that he doesn't deliver on.

vote in EAW promised. dud if happen. No

Now we have to wait fir nice mr Wheelers JR to see if the Tories gave acted ultra vires. What an omnishambles these shyster Tories are

WetAugust …. When Claig and you, page after page, offer UKIP negative campaigning on all the other ‘modernizing’ political parties and their policies – and yet the only ‘change’ UKIP offers. BASED ON THEIR RECENT RECORD, are policies modernized on the hoof depending who’s vote they are currently targeting – do you really not see WHO is not only being “tedious”, but darn right slippery?

UKIP being ‘different’, is not having a UK vision for future prosperity and being the ONLY party to scap 100% of their manifesto – yet me and my family will have to suffer for the next 5-years because UKIP thought this was a ‘change’ the UK needed? P-lease.

Why are you and your family going to suffer? You're not members of the metropolitan elite are you?

Because if you are, then it is the case that your freebies, your luvvy luvvly jubblies, your schemes and scams will all be over. The people's money will be spent on the people. The people, apart from the luvvies, will be singing and humming that old tune "Happy days are here again".

"Nigel Farage to appear in ‘alcohol-fuelled’ Gogglebox"

UKIP’s Nigel Farage is to appear in an ‘alcohol-fuelled’ Gogglebox special.

The party’s leader was filmed sitting on the sofa with the TV review show’s posh couple Steph and Dom for a Gogglebox spin-off, Channel 4’s chief creative officer Jay Hunt has revealed.

She told Radio Times that the show would be a ‘rip-roaring alcohol-fuelled watch,’ adding: ‘He gets p*** with them, but they also give him a grilling.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2829370/Farage-appear-alcohol-fuelled-Gogglebox-special-alongside-posh-couple-Steph-Dom.html

I am not sure if this might be a metropolitan elite plan to try and trip Farage, people's champion, up and try and make him look stupid. But nothing they do or try works against Farage, which is why even Sir John Nott admires Farage

"Even Sir John Nott voted for UKIP in the EU elections and admires Farage for "singlehandedly he’s threatening the oldest political party in the country"."

This is Christmas come early for the people.

"Ukip bandwagon rolls on in the streets of Rochester

The Tories know the importance of halting Nigel Farage in the by-election – but the omens are not encouraging"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11222042/Ukip-bandwagon-rolls-on-in-the-streets-of-Rochester.html

"Not since Simon de Montfort and his knights rode into Rochester Cathedral on Good Friday 1264 and stabled their horses in the pews of the ancient church has this north Kent town commanded the attention of so many political bigwigs. Nigel Farage is the de Montfort of our times, rampaging around the country and railing against the tyranny of the existing power structure. Back in the 13th century de Montfort effectively ran the country for a short while. He called two parliaments that stripped Henry III of his unlimited authority and invited ordinary citizens to participate in the governance of the nation for the first time.

Though an undoubted Norman toff, de Montfort was the unlikely progenitor of modern parliamentary democracy. Farage, with his suspiciously French-sounding name, sees himself as a bulwark against despotism (the EU) and the champion of the common man (and woman)."

Amazing stuff. It's just like the old days, back in 1381.

"After rashly predicting that Clacton would be closer than most people thought, I am reluctant to make any prediction for Rochester and Strood. But after spending a few days in the constituency, I can say with some certainty that it does not look good for either of the two big parties. The few polls that have been carried out give Ukip a sizeable lead in what they regarded as the 271st seat on their target list."

"I caught up with Mr Reckless in Cuxton, on the banks of the River Medway, where he was talking to local people campaigning for a pharmacy in the village. There were Ukip posters in a few front gardens and a general mood among those attending the gathering that no one ever listened to them. This sense of impotence in the face of bureaucratic obduracy is strong among Ukip voters. I did point out that Mr Reckless had actually been the MP for four years so he could have taken up their cause before but that did not seem to matter. “He’s here now, isn’t he?” said one, though she was still undecided whether to vote for him.

He's UKIP now, he's with the people now.

"In the local pub, Mr Reckless tells me that he is getting a more enthusiastic response from voters than he ever had as a Conservative, including from ex-Labour working-class supporters. They may have voted Tory when Mrs Thatcher was in office and then either went over to Tony Blair or stopped voting altogether."
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"For the moment they are tapping deep into a well of popular disenchantment with all mainstream politics. Mr Farage was in Rochester on Saturday amid the “smoke and mirrors” row over George Osborne’s deal on the UK’s budget contribution. Whatever the size of the surcharge, the mere hint that some jiggery-pokery had taken place was grist to the mill for the Ukip leader, feeding his narrative of “you can’t believe a word they say”. The shambles in the Commons last night over whether or not MPs were voting on the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is a further example of a failure of the political elites to be straightforward and honest with the country where the EU is concerned."

"For the Ukip activists filling Rochester High Street on Saturday such cynicism is an article of faith. They had travelled from far and wide to take part in the biggest campaigning day in the party’s history, deploying some 300 volunteers to the constituency. One group made the trip from Torquay and another from Inverness."

Good ordinary people from all over the country standing up for the people everywhere

"Then again, Labour’s implosion risks undermining the key Tory message of “Vote Farage, Get Miliband”. Once the prospect of the Labour leader in Downing Street looks remote, that slogan loses its potency. What victory at Clacton and, probably, at Rochester and Strood gives Mr Farage is the alternative: “Vote Ukip, Get Ukip”."

That is why the panic in elite circles is palpable. They know it's over.

"In such circumstances we may need another election and could even see a political realignment of the sort not witnessed since the collapse of the Liberals in 1922, with a new force on the Right, a centrist party in the middle and various smaller groups like the Greens and nationalists on the periphery. That is why this by-election is so important and why the Tories were so desperate to stop Ukip in its tracks in Rochester and Strood. They appear not to have succeeded."

It's over.

"They should remember that after winning at Rochester, Simon de Montfort was defeated the following year at the Battle of Evesham. The old order is not finished yet."

It's clinging on by its finger tips. Think tanks, spinners, luvvies, PPEs are working all the hours that God sends to try and stop the people. But it won't work. It's over at long last.

Jez .... reams and reams of UKIP propaganda.... *UKIP look to have a few Westminster seats, thanks to a few sitting Conservative MP's, without a spine, the local voter trust to protest in a by-election - as it can only be a protest, as UKIP will ditch their interests as fast as their own policies, if see Westminster seats elsewhere.

Claig... *when you get your first 'home grown' UKIP, maybe, just maybe, you can do a victory lap, but posting other parties 'Westminster elite' in by-elections, is hardly a General Election trend - and you sound more than a little 'touched' saying so.

2010..1 mil votes, no seats???

The leaflet thing has made me laugh. I've had a Tory one through the door. The list of their achievements so far was pitifully short, one small paragraph of just over four lines, but the best one was saying they've increased the state pension. No mention of course of the fact that you've got to work years longer before you actually receive it!

I'm just pondering whether to bother filling in the survey. The envelope is addressed personally to David Cameron, who apparently now lives in a PO box in Leicester!

That is a Daily Telegraph article, hardly UKIP propaganda. The entire establishment is panicking about UKIP and what it will mean.

"2010..1 mil votes, no seats???"

From the Daily Telegraph

"The old order is not finished yet"

Once the FPTP voting system is abolished and PR is brought in, as UKIP and the Greens and the LibDems want, then the old order will be truly finished. Things will never be the same again. A tiny metropolitan elite will no longer be able to decide what happens even with the media supporting them.

The rise of UKIP bring PR ever closer and then the old order will crumble and the people will gain a true democratic system without safe-seats and a few marginals that determines which one of the two factions of the metropolitan elite govern the people.

More good news. It just doesn't stop.

The people are turning over every role assigned to them by the metropolitan elite. They are thumbing their noses and doing jigs and reels as they vote for the people's party, do the knees up Mother Brown and knock back jellied eels.

"Ukip Remain Favourite to Take Rochester By-Election as Ashcroft Poll Gives 12-Point Lead"

The survey, from Lord Ashcroft, places Ukip's Mark Reckless on 44%, ahead of the Tory Party candidate Kelly Tolhurst on 32%.

The Labour party are on 17%, with the Lid Dems potentially suffering an embarrassing loss of deposit in the Kent constituency as the latest poll pits their support in the area at just 2%.
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According to Lord Ashcroft's research, 54% of 2010 Conservative voters said they would stay with the Tories in the by-election, with the remaining 44% switching to Ukip.

Of those who said they would be voting for Ukip, 82% said a large part was because "they have the best policies on particular issues I care about".

Just under two thirds of responders said a large part for voting Ukip said it was because they want Nigel Farage's party to win next year's general election, with 62% said they were voting for Ukip because they were making "a protest to show I'm unhappy with all the main parties at the moment".

www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukip-remain-favourite-take-rochester-by-election-ashcroft-poll-gives-12-point-lead-1474309

An article in the Guardian from one year ago that already foresaw the panic that Farage would create and why.

Farage is a phenomenon, but the credit is to the British people who have shown that they are no mugs. There is no longer anything the establishment and its media can do to put the people back in their box.

"Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said: "I am normally cautious but I do think the tectonic plates are shifting. There is definitely a change going on. The share of the vote of the main two parties has been declining since the 1950s. But it is now even lower than it was at the height of the scandal over MPs expenses in 2009. You can half imagine David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg having to have a meeting to think what to do as Ukip is hurting them all."

On Thursday afternoon, when voting was still under way, a Ukip official rang Radio 4's Today programme asking if it wanted Farage on the show the next morning and was given a noncommittal response. At 5.55am on Friday, as it was clear Ukip was making big inroads, Today rang back to book Farage in for a prime slot.

"They had woken up to the fact that we really were the story," said Gawain Towler, Farage's spokesman.

So what, for the man at the centre of it all who seems to appeal more to voters whatever is thrown at him, had been the biggest lesson? "Simple. It is that the rest of them don't speak the same language as normal people," he said. "They can't connect with people out there. The change that has happened to people's lives from immigration is extraordinary, but the other parties have nothing to say about it. They make vague promises and don't deliver."

The Ukip leader may have been a member of the European parliament since 1999 but he loves to present himself as cut off from the "political class", or what he often refers to as "the establishment elite". In one of his BBC TV appearances on Friday afternoon Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat energy secretary, asked how many seats Farage thought Ukip would win at the next general election. "I have no idea," Farage barked back with something between a grin and a scowl. "I am not a professional politician like you."

This is the nightmare facing the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems. Farage is breaking the mould not just by speaking about the need to withdraw from the EU but by not being one of them. He is the bloke talking common sense on the street, the fellow who goes fishing on his day off.

Towler noted the terror written on the faces of his Tory, Labour and Lib Dem opponents throughout Friday: "What you saw was a recognition from the other parties that we have to deal with these buggers, but they have not the faintest idea how to do it. Nigel does not fit with their game, their way of doing things. He is different. He doesn't do focus groups."

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Farage, meanwhile, is enjoying looking on at the panic and havoc he is causing. "They're all trying to protect their seats but that is not what bothers me," he said in another jibe at the political class he pretends not to be a part of. "I just came into politics to make a change."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/04/nigel-farage-changes-british-politics

And in the same article, Fraser Nelson, editor of the Spectator, gives his views on UKIP and yet again the subject of PPEs gets a mention. It is because PPE represents everything that is wrong, narrow, out-of-touch and cut-off from the concerns of ordinary people. There is only one qualification to have the honour of representing the people, and it's not a PPE, it is simply to listen to and respect what the people say and want.

"Ukip's appeal lies in its relevance to the concerns of voters – the people in places such as Boston, now a Ukip town. He realises that politics is not a Westminster parlour game played by PPE graduates. Ukip's rise is a reminder that the size of our problems has outgrown the smallness of our politics. It's not about responding to Ukip, it's about responding to the people who voted for Ukip. Whoever does that best will win the next election."

Cameron, on his fourth visit to Rochester, is so desperate that he is calling on voters who voted "for anything" to vote Tory to stop UKIP. He is almost grovelling for the Monster Raving Looney vote. Those voters may be proud looneys, but they aren't fruitcake enough to vote Tory. What a disaster for the modernisers. Within 5 short years, they have ruined a party with an over 200 year old history. Lots of people say Blair wasn't real Labour, you have to wonder if the modernisers were real Tory.

"Mr Cameron made a direct appeal to supporters of other parties to lend their vote to his party in a bid to stop Ukip's "great caravan" rolling on.

"I would say to people who have previously voted Labour, Liberal, Green or anything, that if you want a strong local candidate and don't want some Ukip boost and all the uncertainty and instability that leads to, then Kelly is the choice," he told the Kent Messenger newspaper.

"There is a real opportunity for people of different political parties to unite behind the local candidate and to say to the MP 'we don't like the way you behave; we don't like this sort of politics, we want to vote for the person who stands up for the area'".

"The campaign is going to shape up in the next ten days into a very clear choice: you can vote for Ukip and be part of the national campaign and another notch for them in their development and then the great caravan will move on, or you can vote for Kelly, who is a hard-working, local person, born and raised locally."

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ukip-heading-for-rochester-win/ar-AA7BY2C?ocid=mailsignout

Farage, the only British politician who understands what the EU is all about and dares to say it. Can you imagine any of the focus group PPEs having this level of understanding or courage?

Of course, Farage is wrong to assume that the liberal elite's plan to destroy nation states started in the 1950s after the Second World War, it was already being written about and discussed in the 1920s and possibly before.

"Turning to the EU, of which he is one of Britain's most high-profile critics, Farage said: "My feeling is that the architects of the modern Europe in the 1950s drew the wrong conclusion.

"They concluded that if we abolished nation-states in Europe there would be no war, and the reason that wars existed was because nation-states existed. The political project since then has been the eradication of the nation-state.

"I think that was hugely mistaken. I don't think the existence of nation-states has led to war; it has been the lack of democracy, or the breakdown of democracy, that has led governments to expansionism and thus to wars happening. I can't think of an example of mature European democracies fighting each other, they don't.

"I think the attempt, without the consent of the people, to effectively corral people in a new state, far from giving us peace and harmony in Europe, is actually likely to stir up the sort of nationalism, and extremism, it sought to eradicate in the first place."

Farage used the Balkans, whose individual nation-states were merged into a single country after the First World War, to illustrate his point that the removal of national sovereignty can lead to long-term tension and turbulence.

"I'm not pretending that anything in the EU will happen that's as horrible as what happened in Yugoslavia," Farage said. "But I am suggesting that in our own ways, we will fight to get back our rights of national self-determination.

"The future of Europe, the future of France and Germany, the future for all of us in this part of the world, a Europe of solid nation"

www.ibtimes.co.uk/armistice-day-ukips-nigel-farage-denies-nationalism-blame-ww1-slaughter-1474271