Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

"Moderniser David Cameron: I'm not for turning

David Cameron will declare that he will not retreat into the "Conservative comfort zone" and will carry on with his modernising crusade as he attempts to arrest his party's dip in fortunes."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/7332707/Moderniser-David-Cameron-Im-not-for-turning.html

It's sad to see what errors he has made. And the reason is because he went to Eton and Oxford and did a PPE. In all his privilege and study, he never learned to understand the people he would rule. He didn't have a clue what we think. And therefore he relied on his team of chums and advisers - and guess what, they went to Eton too and they had a PPE. That is why they are in such a mess. They advised him that to win the "centre ground" they had to be progressive like Labour, but those advisers don't understand the working class and they will end up voting UKIP just like the Tories will too.

Claig ... if those 'modernizing' ideas are not Conservative government policies, you HAVE NO POINT, fool.

Are we to assume that everything a UKIP spokesperson, blogger, counsillor, MEP, candidate SAYS, is official UKIP policy?

I hope you are, coz I can have a lot of fun with that, posting on here as 'official UKIP modernizations' to our non white society. lol

'if those 'modernizing' ideas are not Conservative government policies, you HAVE NO POINT, fool.

But they are government policies. Where do you think the climate change policies and rooftop wind turbine gems come from? Where do you think the subsidising of progressive charidees, the ring-fenced foreign aid with hard-earned taxpayer money comes from? It is from the modernisers - the hug-a-hoodie, hug a husky Etonian fools.

Why don't they get out to a working class estate and solve crime for the residents, raise wages for care workers who are disgracefully not paid for the time that they travel between visits to help elderly residents, end the bedroom tax and the stress and grief that that causes to good, decent people while they in turn heat their stables with public taxpayer money, and why don't they give people jobs and hope? All they do is spin, political correctness and stunts. That's why they are on the way down and they deserve to be too.

"'Squeezed middle' biggest losers from lost decade of real wage growth

Individuals in Britain do not have any extra money in their pockets despite the economy having recovered to its pre-recession peak earlier than previously thought, according to a stark report"

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11126678/Squeezed-middle-biggest-losers-from-lost-decade-of-real-wage-growth.html

They all spun while Rome burned. Ordinary decent people were squeezed while their expenses continued and their hedge fund mates prospered.

This election is now about - "Whose side are they on?" and "Who is on our side?"

That is why UKIP has shaken the foundation of the luvvies' cosy consensus politics.

"Real wages are being held back by the supply of workers, which will continue to grow at a “robust rate” even though employment levels are already higher now than before the financial crisis, according to a stark report."

And yet their spinners were on the Daily Politics just today saying that no one objects to people coming here to work. They do if it means they can't find work themselves and their wages are held down. And these insults about British youth and workers that they are too lazy and too work-shy are only refuted by UKIP, not by this Eton crowd of privileged clowns.

"Boris Johnson blames ‘lazy’ Brits for losing out on jobs to hard-working immigrants"

metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/boris-johnson-blames-lazy-brits-for-losing-out-on-jobs-to-hard-working-immigrants-3587183/

They insult us, disrespect us, ignore us and then expect us to vote for them.

Well the good people of Clacton showed them and the good people of Rochester probably will too.

Claig … soooooooo many of your words, fixating on ONE word ‘modernizing’ used by Cameron back in 2010 link, you seriously need help.

Especially as the Conservative Party, who in 2005, launched a very good General Election manifesto that among other things, pre Lisbon Treaty, looked to tackle EU immigration, but was not getting through to votors.

This is what the NON Eaton half wits, many of which had got us into the mess in the first place, had to offer as solutions to reduce a £158 billion annual budget deficit, fix our housing problem, an NHS needing to at least mainstain the (then) present spending, cut expensive government back, boost pensions, employ 1.8 million, reduce 16-24 year old unemployment from 1 million, sort out a £38 bil Defence overspend etc etc.*

UKIP General Election manifesto 2010.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

Labour General Election manifesto 2010.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8615297.stm

According to your manifesto above, UKIP wanted to CUT a few million State workers back to 1997 levels, so don’t lecture me on care Workers or any other state worker.

Re Public Sector pay, if you ever worked in the past several years, you will see that in the Private Sector, they either lost their job or got diddly pay rises, so are you saying all State workers should get larger pay rises that those taxpayers paying those salaries – as NHS budgets as they are, if pay rises, there would need tbe job cuts.

The time to boost nurses etc salaries was when Labour chose to spend £170 bil on Quangos and their salaries – wake up to the difference of 1997 and 2010, when Tories handed over the economy to Labour, and then when they got it back.

So against a few silly policies you pin on a Coalition UKIP caused (which I have no clue which policies are Libs which Conservatives) you chose to disregard the best recovery out of the G7 nations, from the worst 2010 mess?

Recessions are called recessions for a reason, especially one the largest in 100-years, LOOK UP what that does to companies and therir abilities to up salaries and show me UKIP’s solution in that 2010 General Election manifesto – to a ‘real’ salary DECREASE from 2007.

‘The squeezed middle’ had been squeezed for years prior to 2010, how was UKIP going to pay down a £158 billion annual deficit and help the largest, apart from cutting the taxes for the rich, where they paid 31p Flat Rate?

UKIP, UKIP UKIP, bitch, bitch, bitch, with no detailed policies or balanced budget solutions, who now want to ‘learn on the job’ in 2015.

Claig .... if you are going to quote EU or immigrations effects and UKIP can do NOTHING ABOUT IT, vote Conservative for a Referendum, rather than bitch, bitch. bitch.

'soooooooo many of your words, fixating on ONE word ‘modernizing’ used by Cameron back in 2010'

Are you actually a Conservative? Don't you understand where they have gone wrong? Don't you respect David Davis, a true Conservative, working class brought up on a council estate, who said

"To put it at its kindest, the project to ‘modernise’ the party failed to deliver electoral success. At the same time, party membership collapsed from around 500,000 in 1992, to about 100,000 in 2010."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2772283/The-threat-UKIP-no-longer-laughing-matter-Get-Dave-lower-taxes-win-Election-writes-DAVID-DAVIS.html

Don't you understand that all your 1% here and 1% there means nothing. That Farage will make mincemeat out of Cameron in the leaders debate, because there is something far more important than that - "who is on our side?", "who stands up for us?" - the decent, hardworking, long-suffering, insulted, patronised, lied to, spun people of this country.

'vote Conservative for a Referendum'

You really don't get it, you are the same as those metropolitan luvvies. They are a joke and that is a joke and that is why they won't get a majority and don't deserve one until they get real and respect the people and start listening and changing.

Claig .. re UKIP 31p Flat Tax rate - how would the poor and those 'squeezed middle' hit by EU workers UKIP were unable to control, managed paying 31p in the £, if if UKIP created the conditions to create new jobs or not?

Didn't you hear that Labour progressive bigwig, Matthew Taylor, on BBC Newsnight last night sayingthat we are in completely uncharted political terrirtory now. That it had always been taken for granted that if you dominated the "centre ground" and a high polling leader and a successful and recovering economy that your party would win, and that the Tories have that and it is no longer working?

All of these think tanks and luvvies and spinners don't get it, they didn't realise that the people aren't stupid and that they can't all be spun. UKIP has changed everything and the luvvies are going to lose.

Because UKIP would make the rich and the corporations pay their flat rate tax. Farage said he would drastically simplify the tax code which the New Labour progressives had doubled in size so that it was simpler and clearer and so that loopholes would be closed in order to make sure that the rich pay what they owe.

Claig ... re that David Davis link, you forgot to show that a 5% UKIP vote will ensure THIS Labour Party (below) gets back in - NOT a Farage UKIP who has promised so much for votes over 20-years but DELIVERED NOTHING - so HAS no EU or domestic policy record to defend in a leaders debate.

Labour were the most spun media controlled and corrupt administration in living memory with ‘Blairs Labour cash for Lordships’ investigated by the police, Brown’s lowering of Capital Gains Tax to as low as 10% to attract party money from the City and MP expenses totally out of hand on THEIR watch and Labour’s Parliament Speaker Michael Martin running the show, Knighted for his services to MP’s expenses.

Pro EU without trusting the people to vote… pro open door immigration from 2004 for personal gain AND without increasing home building to make room …with 580,000 under 25-year olds here already unemployed... pro flat lining State Education rather than raise standards…pro needless laws/police State with more legislation passed in their 13-years than the previous 100-years… pro Human Rights Act in 1998 causing so many ‘rights’ for criminals/terrorists problems.

Pro MRSA/C.Diff killer germ infested NHS hospitals hiring more managers than nurses.. pro saddling hospitals and schools with 25-year plus Private Finance Initiative debts….pro 24-hour drinking, gambling and declassifying drugs….pro expensive quangos costing over £70 bil a year to run.. pro expensive to run local government (with non jobs) leading to Council Tax hikes up 110% on their watch..

Pro raiding private personal pensions from 1998, including private sector companies to near final salary extinction...pro screwing state pensioners with derisory annual State pension e.g. 75p in 2000….pro raising the lower band tax rate to screw the poor in 2007…pro sale of 40% of UK gold reserves under $300 an ounce versus $1.900 high…..pro relaxation of banking regulation to dangerous levels pre financial crash..…anti business/private sector jobs, pro sending 1 million of our manufacturing jobs elsewhere by 2005 BEFORE the crash and overseeing UK manufacturing sink to half of the 22% of our economy in 1997.

Pro lying to go to war and without equipping soldiers with basic kit and helicopters... ….pro nuclear energy to stop lights going off in 2015, but didn’t get around to building any.…pro defence/Trident, who knows, let someone else get around to it….and leaving us less domestic food production secure than in 1997.

The 2015 General Election will have either Labour or the Conservatives forming the next government, and looking at the above and comparing with the Conservatives record from 1979 to 1997, or 2010 to-date, I'd say it's a no brainer to any other than U-kippers peddling UKIP 'magic dust' to the masses, to sort out the REAL problems of today.

'you forgot to show that a 5% UKIP vote will ensure THIS Labour Party (below) gets back in'

But it doesn't matter. We don't care any more. We are past caring, that is why we switched to UKIP in the first place. The metropolitan modernising luvvies think that the fear of Labour will stop us voting UKIP, but it won't because we think that Miliband and his progressives are not much different from Cameron and his modernisers. They are all the same tree-hugging, hoodie-hugging spinners.

We are all prepared to wait for another 5 years or even less since there will be a hung parliament which may collapse before that. After that we know we will win, because we are the silent majority.

I am in favour of a flat rate tax but what will the tax threshold be Claig?

You can't expect low earners to pay a third of all of their salary in tax?

I'd suggest at least £20k?

Very good point, angelos02.

UKIP have dropped the flat rate tax policy. My guess is that they have too much on their plate to bring in revolutionary change now. They are still devising new policy.

UKIP are going to raise the tax threshold to something like £12500 or £13500 to take low-wage earners out of taxation. So their intention is to help working people on law wages.

UKIP policy is changing all the time, and it is a different party to what it was just 10 years ago. It is a voice for ordinary hardworking people which is why I think it will never go against their interests. That is why it is the only significant challenger to the Labour Party. My guess is that over the years, it will absolutely crush Labour up North because it will listen to working class people.

Claig ... Re the "uncharted political territory" you mention - regarding the current UK recovery already under threat from the EU slump, tell me ONE company, large to small High Street shops, that wants that uncertainty, together with higher interest rates that will surely come -and won't be contracting prior to the 2015 General Election, and for long after if true.

UKIP voting both stands in the way of an EU Referendum and continued UK growth getting through to everyone, whether directly through lower taxes and higher salaries, or indirectly where Public Spending on services/pensions can be afforded and the threat of HIGHER taxes under Labour, don't materialize.*

"UKIP policy is changing all the time" .... what a financial/economic plan to sort out very deep structural UK problems, lucky we have a new weather super computer so both Mr Farage and Ms Poppins, knows when 'the political wind changes', only Mary's not looking for cheap opportunist votes on UKIP policies that fall like the leaves in Autumn. lol.

There is nothing "opportunist" about listening to the people - it's just "common sense".

"Meet Ukip, Britain's most working-class party"

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukipwatch/100256765/meet-ukip-britains-most-working-class-party/

We are in totally new political territory.

Miliband, Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls studied for the same PPE at Oxford as Cameron and Osborne and some of the Eton clique of modernisers that surround Cameron. They are probably all millionaires and they are certainly all luvvies.

UKIP is the party of the disenfranchised, the outsiders, the people, the working and middle class, the hardworking, decent people who have been let down and ignored by the metropolitan elite.

Claig .. THE PROBLEM with a (now) £100 billion annual overspend with so many current and future demands e.g. the NHS, a private sector that need to keep hiring/increasing salaries, investment in infrastructure for future growth etc etc - a SERIOUS political party cannot just offer tax cut sweeties to everyone with a pulse, and up the annual deficit by another £19 billion - and then ask 'the people' what other sweeties can we give you?

The TIME for a serious political party to democratically ask for ideas how we SPEND money, is when we have a small deficit or an ANNUAL BUDGET SURPLUS, as NO ONE wants spending cuts, or tax rises, to reduce the deficit and maintain CURRENT services.

The UKIP 'magic dust' won't hold up when asked to detail it's promises to voters Farage knows you can't keep, be it on the EU, immigration or democratic ££££ nectar for all.

Do shut up about PPEs when UKIP have not got a brain cell between them.

Only in the UK, according to UKIP, the dumber you are you can face the complicated challenges of running a county in very difficult global times - and that is just plain stupid.

UKIP is a party run by a FTSE company owner and an ex city trader who spend their time making promises they can't keep - how does that help the working man, when the only benefit is to UKIP's power brokers?