Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

WetAugust … you are in no position to critisise anyone elses input on this board when either your posts just show your ignorant opinions or bare faced lies for your own agenda e.g. UKIP was never/isn’t racist, when as the evidence is so overwhelming, you lost any credibility you might have had had within your own input.

I noticed you hid and let Claig posted to put distance between the FACTS & QUESTION on non white UKIP members before 2010, I presented to you.

I put facts out there, feel free to dispute or debate them, as you won’t shut them up – in fact as you have shown you have an agenda hiding the facts about UKIP, I’ll step them up.

This false, ignorant, mockery you chose of non UKIP politicians as unable to process the fact that UKIP has lied for 20-years what it can do, is pathetic, as they are subliminal messages.

The Conservatives did not sign the Lisbon Treaty, Labour did, without the referendum they had promised in earlier General Elections – while Cameron promised a year or so before Brown signed, with the “cast iron guarantee” his Conservative government would give a referendum if NOT signed before they came to power.

And UKIP, what is the use of 24 UKIP low intelligent life, gloating MEPs on £78k ++++££££ expenses ON GETTING US OUT, OR STOPPING SUCH REQUESTS????

What good will UKIP now gloating MPs, do when Miliband as his socialist coalition in 2015, KEEP US IN THE EU, as a majority Conservative government (thanks to UKIP) can’t give us an EU Referendum for the people to decide?

Conservative Thatcher obtained an EU contribution REBATE, Blair gave back a chunk of that REBATE, if Miliband was in power, he'd have paid the £1.7 billion by now, to retain UK 'influence' at the EU 'top table' - and thanks to UKIP he'll be in charge of the EU in 2015-2020, at least.

And Farage, who CARES if Farage says 'shove it' other than his minions/worshippers - shall we give him another 24 expensive MEPs with fuck all influence?

What is the point of 'snake oil salesman' Farage, other than to screw up the EU Referendum he used to say he/UKIP was behind.

I just read an Isitmebut post

yawn yawn yawn

Still banging on about racists blah blah blah

Even Blunkett can (see) we are being swamped - so he says

But it's not about immigration or Blunkett or racism

It's about belonging to an organisation - the EU - that bleeds this country dry

Dontry to keep up Isitmebut

WetAugust …. FYI you are not the only poster here; apart from your outright lie UKIP have never been racist and that the new ‘inclusive’ UKIP isn’t doing anything other than Wheeler corporate ‘window dressing’, Claig had the hypocritical National Front to accuse Fallon of being in the immigration ‘nasty party’ for saying ‘we need to PREVENT being swamped.

"The party deliberately attracts the racist vote': Ukip poster girl tipped by Farage as 'rising star' quits over 'terrifying' lurch right."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627408/The-party-deliberately-attracts-racist-vote-Ukip-poster-girl-tipped-Farage-rising-star-quits-terrifying-lurch-right.html

• Sanya-Jeet Thandi urges supporters not to vote for party anymore

• Hit out at ad campaign which claimed 26 million migrants after British jobs

• Claims Nigel Farage has let party descend into 'form of racist populism'

“A UKIP poster girl described by Nigel Farage as a ‘rising star’ has quit after describing it asa ‘racist’ and ‘terrifying’ party that she cannot vote for.”

Regarding the EU, what is the point of your post after post sneering at PM Cameron’s efforts, then wetting yourself when Farage speaks on the subject, when that charlatan has not been able to do a thing about it for 20-years, and will stop a Conservative EU Referendum in 2017????

Due to dodgy electoral boundaries, the Conservatives need to be aroung 8% ahead of Labour in the polls/votes to get a similar number of parliamentary seats, and are current neck and neck – with the main improvement being UKIP now up around 19% on one poll.

If UKIP on election day had anywhere near that, or even down to 8-11%, Labour will form the next government and with the other socialist/pro EU parties e.g. the Lib Dems, SNP, SDP, Plaid Cymru and probably the Greens – will ENSURE via a parliamentary voting majority the UK stays in the EU without a democratic Referendum.

So keep bitch, bitch, bitching about the EU saying we HAVE TO COME OUT, while dissing the Conservatives and Cameron’s efforts to renegotiate/reform the EU with a EU Referendum back-stop if he fails – either means UKIP power in Westminster means more to you than leaving the EU, or you are being disingenuous on your core ‘leave EU’ objective – which is it????

I warn to leave the EU. It won't happen under a Tory Govt. UKIP Govt will not be gifted in my lifetime

Therefore I have resigned myself to us staying in the EU and fully intend to jeer from the sidelines

And don't try to make out that Dave has 'made efforts'. He's done bugger all excerpt say YES

so the bill that would have enshrined a 2017 IN OUT referendum has just fallen in Parliament because Cleggy's coalition refused to support it.

Just like they failed to support the boundary changes.

What is the point in a coalition. Dave may as well just disband it now.

Dave gives everything go everyone. Here's another 1.7 billion for you Mr Junckers. Have a vote on electoral changes Claggy.

What has he secured in return? Bugger all

If this us an example of his superb negotiating skills we're doomed.

So, the Tories can no longer say they will guarantee a In Out Referendum in 2017 because there is now nothing to ensure that promise is carried out.

Another hollow promise Cameron

Have you thought of a career change cos you're pretty useless as a leader or a politician

WetAugust …. Are you playing your (political) cards, with a FULL deck?

Or do you really think repeating ignorant propaganda against the current Cameron led coalition, both makes Farage look good and ready to vote on key issues in Westminster?

Firstly the only reason there is a coalition, is due to UKIP splitting the Conservative vote in 2010.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/7693877/General-Election-2010-Ukip-challenge-cost-Tories-a-Commons-majority.html

“Analysis of results shows that in at least 21 key marginal seats, Ukip’s share of the vote proved enough to allow Labour or the Lib Dems to see off strong Tory challenges.”

Re the point of the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition, away from the UKIP’s only focus on the EU and immigration, there was loads to domestic debt/financial/economis/social problems to address, and the ‘oppose everything’ Labour Party wanting the UK to follow the ‘lost in France’ country model, would have ensured NO RECOVERY.

Moreover, what is the point of cancelling a coalition several months before a General Election, will it change the Westminster voting?

The right wing Conservative/left wing pro EU LibDem coalition, on paper, should not have worked, but they worked together for the good of the UK.

The EU Referendum and boundary change Conservative policies are neither Lib Dem policies or in their interests, whereas addressing the 2010 UK economic and debt ‘train crash’, and looking to build a strong UK economy, was.

Thanks to UKIP, the 2015 all-left wing coation headed by Labour, possibly of several different politic parties, will all be pro EU, high spending, high taxation for all, anti English votes for English laws - and generally put the UK economically back ‘on the road to France’

Re Cameron's 'broken promises', you (and recently Farage on Sky News) ignorantly chose to mis read his 2007 EU Referndum PRIOR to Labour signing the Lisbon Treaty promise. Cameron gave Scotland a Referendum the Labour Party wouldn’t – so he has broke no Referendum promises I can see – please specify which Referendum ones he broke, or look like every other thick UKIP propagandist?*

Re the EU £1.7 billion readjustment/claim Cameron has said he is not paying, what does the pro EU Clegg, UKIP forced onto Cameron got to do with it – nothing has been paid, so more pathetic UKIP lies.*

And your UKIP/Farage saviour, the UK electorate could give him 24 more MEP’s, 24 Westminser MP’s, and UKIP STILL couldn’t do a thing about the EU or immigration – so all swivel eyes, moth and beer belly filled trousers.

"Moreover, what is the point of cancelling a coalition several months before a General Election, will it change the Westminster voting?"

I think they might do it. It might be there only hope. They could pretend to their crumbling base that they were still Tories and not modernisers by distancing from the LibDems and blaming them for rooftop wind turbines and all the rest of the spin, and they would be able to stop UKIP's momentum by calling an early election.

They have no answer to UKIP and they know it and after Rochester even the luvvies who have their heads in the sand will realise it. They may have to go for broke and risk an early election before things get worse and UKIP tear up their lawns with the People's Army's tanks.

This was from two years ago when things were much better for the modernisers, but now they are facing a disaster of their own making. Wiser heads told them so, but they are from Eton and all have a PPE, they thought they could sway the public their way.

"Shouldn’t Cameron just go for an early election?

He should start preparing for it. The polls are good for the Tories because of Labour weakness on the economy and Ed Miliband’s problems in getting himself established."

But of course they are modernisers, from Eton, and may not want to change

"Surely David Cameron wants a Tory overall majority?

In theory, yes. Although if it turned out be a small overall majority the Cameroons would fear the right of the Conservative party being able to hold the leadership hostage on subjects such as Europe. The difficulty for Mr Cameron is that many of his MPs see things quite differently, and explicitly want the leadership to start working out how the party can be decoupled from the Lib Dems and eventually govern in its own right."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9061364/David-Cameron-should-start-preparing-for-an-early-election.html

Claig's back after a tongue lashing by Wet August a few days ago....just when the grown ups were dismantling UKIP policy propaganda...with same 'ol puerile class, education, 'modernizing', 'luvvies' labeling - talking general rollocks, and often answering her own quotes, post after post.

The 5-year UK election cycle (ending in this parliament May 2015) is law, the new/carry over laws via the last Queen's speech, may not have time to go through parliament by May 2015, especially with so much time to be taken thrashing out cross party differences on UK devo-max - so what the hell are you talking about and supplying links dated 2012???

There is no answer to UKIP as they have the 'magic' solution to all our problems, the rest of the political parties in the real world have to talk policies, which is why U-kippers have to stick to propaganda.

I felt it was necessary to counter your modernising spin and supply some facts and truth.

"Modernising" means sweet fanny all, especially when discussing all the problems of the UK the real political parties have to focus on ... and as to you "facts and truth", are you now clear that 5-year UK electoral cycles are fixed by law and dissolving the coalition to achieve new and great things by 2015, is rollcocks?

Clearly on the UKIP weekly propaganda list of things to focus on, the Conservative and Lib Dem coalition is 'it' for the present week - but you and the WetAugust really do get your facts straight on WHY (thanks to UKIP) we have a coalition - before making fools of yourselves.

In other words, whether using your puerile labels, or your "facts and truths", you failed abysmally.

Don't give me this Tgere is no time to make new law bollocks'. He has plenty of time to make laws he doesn't want to

His own party are turning against him and are now badly straying off message

And he can't offer us an in out referendum anymore as he could get his so-called partners in govt vote for it

The whole country is a fucking shambles

Oh. Claig and I have at least 1.7 billion facts that Dave will soon lose

I admire your loyalty Isitmebut. You must be a) paid by the party b) have a Tory relative that you feel you must support or C) be totally deluded.
and before you ask, we're deluded cos Dave told us we are fruitcakes

Nice bit of Dundee anyone?

""Modernising" means sweet fanny all"

It means everything because it represents everything that they have done wrong. All their wrong turns and blind alleys are summed up in that one word and they did it because they are out-of-touch luvvies from a closeted environment who could not identify with the mass of ordinary people out there. Farage can walk through the streets of Clacton and be also mobbed, he is so popular, and those luvvies are like fish out of water.

Here is "The Modernisers' Manifesto" signed by some of their top thinkers. I'm not surprised to see one of Cameron's former speech-writers in there

"Ian Birrell is contributing editor at The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday.
One of the country’s highest-profile columnists and foreign correspondents,
he is also a former speechwriter to David Cameron"

Half of the Tory party's members have torn up their membership cards and Tory heartlands such as Essex have swung to UKIP in unprecedented numbers and I think it is because of these wet modernisers.

Sorry here is that sorry document "The Modernisers' Manifesto" from an orgnisation called "Bright Blue" which even in its name spells spin to me

"Bright Blue campaigns for the Conservative Party to implement liberal, progressive policies that draw on Conservative traditions of community ..."

What a disaster for the Conservative Party, how they threw away Thatcher's legacy and their heartlands in Essex and elsewhere. They are a total joke now and it is only a matter of time until another half of their remaining dwindling membership tear up their membrship cards too.

And they deserve all they get, because they don't deserve the votes of the good people of Essex or anywhere else.

The Modernisers' Manifesto

"It could be argued that the CCHQ executive is willing to open its eyes to a change of leadership post-2015, and allow candidates a little space to explore their chances; but only those aligned to the modernisation project that was slammed by Dr. Liam Fox last night.

Assuming members get a say in the matter, it would seem bizarre for a party hugely dissatisfied with its management to elect to continue with the same policies albeit under different leadership."
...
The Bow Group, the UK's oldest conservative think-tank, hosted a “State of the Party” lecture last week, delivered by Lord Tebbit. The Thatcher-era cabinet minister expressed a desire to see a change of leadership so we can feel like conservatives again and feel like the Prime Minister is “a son of Thatcher and not a son of Tony Blair”.
...
After a disastrous decade of party membership, another 10 years of the same would ensure that the Conservative Party ceases to exist"

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/25/march-of-the-modernisers

The Tories will cease to exist. This is the beginning of their end and it woz the modernisers wot dun it and their political correctness that buried them. It is far too late for them to change now, because they made the fatal mistake of giving space for a new common sense party to arise - UKIP.

Over the coming years, UKIP will thrash them in every one of their safe-seats and of course they will thrash the same modernisers in the Labour Party too.

WetAugust ... seriously forget 'fruitcake', are you a serial UKIK liar, or just plain thick???

UKIP votes in 2010 ensured the Conservatives have a coalition with a more pro EU Lib Dems - do you still not understand that?

Conservatives are in a minority party government, where pro EU Labour and Lib Dems will out vote them in parliament every time - if you still can't do basic math and understand that, pray tell why it is "bollocks"?

Cameron has not paid over £1.7 billion to the EU, even though an annual 'adjustment' was due - do you still not understand that?

Cameron has not broken any EU Referendum promise - do you now understand that, or wish to provide links to prove otherwise?

'I admire your loyalty Isitmebut. You must be a) paid by the party b) have a Tory relative that you feel you must support or C) be totally deluded.'

If you really want to support your Tory relative, tell them to tear their membership card up and join UKIP (join the people), that's what everyone else is doing.

Claig ... why are you posting all this modernizing posts if they are not Conservative government policies???

'Think tanks' exist to throw out ideas to governments, just because ex party people work for them means nothing, are you mad?

Clearly you need to deflect from UKIP's lack of UK domestic policies they stand by, but to be taken seriously. saying all these people speak for a Cameron government - who's already shown Conservative/Thatcher values in turning this country around in 2010, as they did in 1979 - is just outright spin/lies, as we have come to expect from a party that has lied for 20-years on what a vote for them could do.

UKIP ... the last I saw, Conservative Memberships were up, not that it matters on General Election day - as all your ex BNP members that joined UKIP found - when had so many 'members' but not ONE parliamentary seat.

UKIP clearly is seen as the anti immigration party similar to the French Front National, and you get similar Membership/votes, as what else can it be, the 2010 General Election manifesto Farage trashed after he got the non immigration votes, or a promise on leaving the EU UKIP can't deliver?

''Think tanks' exist to throw out ideas to governments, just because ex party people work for them means nothing, are you mad?'

Some of their sitting MPs contributed to the laughable document known as 'The Modernisers' Manifesto' which could just as well have been called 'The Labour Manifesto'.

Don't you understand that there is a modernising agenda, a modernising project, don't you understand that this is what drives these luvvies and what drives the people away from them in droves to UKIP?

'but only those aligned to the modernisation project that was slammed by Dr. Liam Fox last night'

This election is now about the really fundamental question, the really important question "who is on our side?" not whether 1% here or there will make a difference, it's more important than that.

Everyone knows who is on our side and that is why they will vote for that party.

' as what else can it be'

I have explained what it is, but just like the rest of the modernising luvvies, you don't get it. Well you will find out at the ballot box, but by then it will be far too late.

Claig ... I've told you before, I don't need to be paid by anyone to protect my children from UKIP's jack-boot politics - and I have a Conservative Party record over years to refer to, rather than a UKIP one-policy pony party, their supports would have us believe could 'magic' all our other problems away.

And showing both WetDream and your lies up, day after day, seriously floats my boat. Guffaw.