Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

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Panic in elite circles

Claig

Don't engage with idiots that persist with their dinosaur views that UKIP is racist

You are just feeding them the oxygen of publicity

I'd like to know exactly which race that UKIP is supposed to be racist against. Which of course if isn't as EU migrants are if the same racial origins as the traditional and permanent uk citizens.

People who keep bringing up race really worry me, you need to stop these vexatious accusations Isitmebut or people will think you're at best unhinged and probably a swivel eyed loon.

Of the same ...... Not if the same. Let's be clear.

Claig .... So your PMQT collective "The metropolitan elite, the luvvies, the PC Brigade" also means, Nick Clegg 1 MP out of 650?

So were you again lying, blaming all MPs for wanting to reform PMQT within your relentless propaganda????

Claig ... re you sheer UKIP 'slippert' hypocrisy on claiming some moral high ground on immigration, when you are not only CONSTANTLY exploiting UK immigration for votes, you have 24 MEP BEING PAID for it, as they certainly can't take us out of the EU

DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ON A MISSION, TO LOOK BACK OVER 20-YEARS TO FIND EVERY FARAGE STATEMENT ON IMMIGRATION, or do you think you've wiped all those off the internet like you do ;throw away' UKIP manifestos?

Fallon saying we need to PREVENT repeat PREVENT being swamped by immigration is not a problem based on what COULD HAPPEN if we do not get an EU Referendum, as the strength of our economy relative to the EU, will do that.

Is the NHS being 'swamped', now due to immigration and high birth rates we have several million more people using it, including 90 million more GP requests a year than in 2009/10.

The fact is UKIP HAVE NOTHING ELSE, your Founder said this back in 2012 and what has changed?

“However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter - the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

Tim Aker on the Daily Politic came across as a loud mouthed opportunistic bully, cynically pointing the finger at others, when UKIP comment on every immigration figure, especially around election times, knowing the government can't do much about EU free movement UNTIL we get a Referendum.

"Claig .... So your PMQT collective "The metropolitan elite, the luvvies, the PC Brigade" also means, Nick Clegg 1 MP out of 650?"

Nick Clegg is just a front man for the metropolitan elite. He is just a spinner but there are legions of luvvies behind him cheering him on.

'when you are not only CONSTANTLY exploiting UK immigration for votes'

UKIP never exploit anything, they are not like the Establishment parties, they do not use terms such as "swamped" which progressive saints and spinners have in the past used. UKIP mean what they say, they don't trick people and fool them by banging podiums and sounding off, they want to control immigration and control our borders. That's not exploitation, that's common sense.

'DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ON A MISSION, TO LOOK BACK OVER 20-YEARS TO FIND EVERY FARAGE STATEMENT ON IMMIGRATION'

I am sure that CCHQ have probably already done that for you, as you are the best and last hope they have got, but since you haven't been able to find one example, I expect they are tearing their hair out and biting their nails about Rochester.

You can try and defend Fallon's use of the woird "swamped" as much as you like, but decent people such as UKIP's Tim Aker has said that is intemperate and inappropriate and the electrorate will probably agree with that.

"They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

Then why did UKIP win a landslide, the biggest in post-war history in the town of Clacton-on-Sea and why are they going to win their 271st most winnable seat in Rochester?

Is it because it is over?

WetAugust ... I'm quoting your founder (as well as mentioning the bleedin obvious) and I asked you a question, why does UKIP keep stirring up people keep talking about it – and how many non white Members did you have in 2006 and 2010????

Why it UKIP campaigning on this sick, opportunist platform, in this town, haven’t there been numerous child abuse cases in other town/cities over the similar periods?

No race issues here then, Mumsnet does not deserve such hypocrisy.

“Ukip Hit 'Unacceptable Low' With Rotherham Child Abuse Poster Campaign”
www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukip-hit-unacceptable-low-rotherham-child-abuse-poster-campaign-1471900

“Ukip have been accused of exploiting the trauma felt by victims of the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal to help their campaign in winning an upcoming police commissioner election”.

“The posters, which will be displayed across South Yorkshire until the PCC election on 30 October, accuses Labour of failing the victims of the child sex abuse scandal in the area and suggests there are "1,400 reasons why you should not trust Labour again”

Let's see what the people think of the posters, not the spinners and the metropolitan elite.

WetAugust .... was Ms Thandi one of your new non white Members, or just a high flyer who flew too close to the UKIP sun-god Farage and his inner organization????

"The party deliberately attracts the racist vote': Ukip poster girl tipped by Farage as 'rising star' quits over 'terrifying' lurch right."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627408/The-party-deliberately-attracts-racist-vote-Ukip-poster-girl-tipped-Farage-rising-star-quits-terrifying-lurch-right.html

• Sanya-Jeet Thandi urges supporters not to vote for party anymore

• Hit out at ad campaign which claimed 26 million migrants after British jobs

• Claims Nigel Farage has let party descend into 'form of racist populism'

“A UKIP poster girl described by Nigel Farage as a ‘rising star’ has quit after describing it as a ‘racist’ and ‘terrifying’ party that she cannot vote for.”

“Sanya-Jeet Thandi, 21, a British-born Indian who had starred in a party election broadcast and spoken at its annual conference, accused Ukip of deliberately attracting racist voters.”

“The university student said the party had abandoned its core supporters and called on others to end their memberships and boycott the upcoming European elections.”

Isitmebut, were you born yesterday, don't you understand the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if she joins the Conservative Party soon.

Don't you understand the metropolitan elite and their game?

LSE - say no more

They will throw the kitchen sink at the leader - whose hand the tatooed woman wanted to shake as she expressed her considered verdict on the other parties in somewhat forthright language that is heard all over the country when that subject is brought up - but nothing will work, because nothing can stop the truth and nothing can stop the popular will of the people.

It's already over and yet it has only just begun, the spinners are in disarray, Farage has got them on the run.

Claig ... as I've mentioned many times, I am nothing to do with any Conservative organization, or certainly HQ, I wouldn't have had enough 'ologies or PCness for them.

I provide facts over misinformation & BS for several reasons, including I detest the mainly negative campaigning of some parties that purposely or not, lowers peoples views on the whole of politics for their own electoral gain, and sadly, this is how I get my jollies. lol

And I'll tell you what, it will be much easier for me looking at facts and a success story from 2010, as it will be for you, playing a hypocrite and purveyor of UKIP 'snake oil', pretending its a magic elixir to fix all the UK's ill's.

'it will be much easier for me looking at facts'

But it's not about you, it's about the people.

And they have made their choice and it isn't the parties summed up in one word by the tattooed woman who was so pleased to shake Farage's hand.

UKIP candidate Winston McKenzie had his ear to the ground and this is what he found

"the word is with the people and the word is UKIP, UKIP, UKIP"

'I am nothing to do with any Conservative organization, or certainly HQ'

Are you related to a Conservative councillor or Conservative gofer or something?

How come you are still supporting that shower when nearly the whole of the South East of England, and half their paid-up members, have abandoned them and joined the people?

In the past century the 'word' for change was Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Chairman Mao and to date. Le Penn of Frances National Front it does not mean those million were right does it?

Conservative councillors are defecting in droves, MPs are probably queueing for meetings with Farage. It's mayhem, it's havoc, there's mutiny in the ranks, all they can hear is the word UKIP and all they can see is the People's Army's tanks.

Spinners are diving overboard, luvvies are leaving the ship, modernisers are building barricades, the Conservatives are in deep shit.

Most of those were dictatorships, but we are talking about democracy - direct democracy - about the people and not the metropolitan elite having their say.

It's been a long time coming, but it's here at last, the people are winning, the spinners' die is cast.

Claig .. I REPEAT, I have nothing to do with the Conservatives, other than I have always voted that way, like my blue collar father from the 1970's, before me.

I just detest UKIP's lies and the people that work for them, as I can't believe anyone who wasn't a bigot or anarchist, could in their own conscience, pretend UKIP are a viable change for anything, other than a baby's arse.

Also I've seen 1970's Labour destroying our country at first hand, and that is where we were going, so I speak out. Simple.

'as I can't believe anyone who wasn't a bigot or anarchist, could in their own conscience, pretend UKIP are a viable change for anything'

OK then you belong with Cameron and the Bullingdon Club who think the people are "fruitcakes, looneys and closet racists".

Good luck, I wish you well, because there's a revolution happening and the spinners can hear the bell.

'Also I've seen 1970's Labour destroying our country at first hand'

Miliband is not 1970s Labour, he's less progressive than Cameron. Don't worry about Labour, they will be alright. Worry about the Conservatives, because we are witnessing the end of that once great party and all the tradition and history that went with it.

Claig ... You clearly are a revolutionary due to this silly language
"Conservative councillors are defecting in droves, MPs are probably queueing for meetings with Farage. It's mayhem, it's havoc, there's mutiny in the ranks, all they can hear is the word UKIP and all they can see is the People's Army's tanks."

Because you cannot definitively say WHY UKIP deserves votes based on their ability to run a country - and chose to use silly language to describe silly things - when the Uks future is at stake.

Because UKIP in by-elections kept coming 2nd or worse, until Stuart Wheeler in a 'corporate type' raid, bought a few sitting Conservative MP's the people had trusted.

'You clearly are a revolutionary'

If you mean I am voting for the People's Army, for the People's Movement and the People's Party, then you are right. I am like millions of others, like the majority in Clacton and the majority all over Essex and probably also in Kent. I'm with the people, if that's what you meant.

'Because you cannot definitively say WHY UKIP deserves votes based on their ability to run a country'

Because it will restore sovereignty to the people, take us out of the EU, control our borders, lock up violent offenders, save our taxpayer money by slashing foreign aid and the Climate Change Act, lower taxes, save the NHS from TTIP, bring in direct democracy, local referenda and proportional representation, free the people and end the metropolitan elite's sham democracy where they ignore ordinary people.

George Orwell once said

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

That needs updating for today

"In a time of universal deceit - voting UKIP is a revolutionary act."

The people of Clacton were revolutionaries, just like their ancestors before them, way back in 1381 in the Great Revolt or Peasants' Revolt that changed England.

Claig … why should I worry about dumb Conservatives joining UKIP out of fear, good ridance, the Conservative Party inherited most of todays problems and fixing them, that is a record to be proud off – as I say, thanks to UKIP, I fear 1970’s Labour getting back into power in 2015.

Re ‘revolutionary’ Claig; where are you based, as if you can’t see the improvements to our finances, economy, housing etc etc etc despite a 2010 busted country, either you are selectively dumb, ignorant, or don’t actually live here.

“We came close to losing our democracy in 1979”

“Douglas Eden reveals the extraordinary penetration of the 1970s Labour movement by pro-Soviet trade unionists and the extent of Callaghan’s toleration of the hard Left”
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

“The Winter of Discontent refers to the winter of 1978–79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years."

“The strikes were a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%, to control inflation in itself and as an example to the private sector.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

I’d say between Labour and UKIP, this country faces the same dangers as in 1979, only different players, comrade.