Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

And the tragedy of it all is that these clever Oxbridge MPs and PPEs don't really understand what they have done to let the people down so badly. It's not the economy, it's not the EU, it's not even immigration, it's something much more subtle. And clever as they are they don't understand what it is because they are not like us. And that is why they can't fix the problem and that is why they are going to lose.

This shows how low the Tories can stoop. If UKIP used this sort of language, the metropolitan media and the metropolitan elite and all their mates would never stop attacking UKIP. It would be all over the news for days.

It shows that the Tories are the real nasty party and they think the public is stupid too.

"Mr Fallon then launched into this answer: "The Germans haven't seen our proposal yet, and we haven't seen our proposal yet.

"That is still being worked on at the moment to see what we can do to prevent whole towns and communities being swamped by huge numbers of migrant workers…"

"Where is being swamped at the moment?" asked Dermot, scarcely believing what he had heard.

Mr Fallon ploughed on: "In some areas, particularly on the east coast, yes, towns do feel under siege from large numbers of migrant workers and people claiming benefits. It is quite right that we look at that."

news.sky.com/story/1360747/are-the-conservatives-trying-to-out-ukip-ukip

Claig

Farage is not the messiah - he's a very naughty ex-banker

Fallon should not be criticised. if he feels it appropriate to use the term 'swamped' then he should have the freedom to say so.

Nadine Dories is saying on the Twitter that this 1.7 has to be voted on by MPs. I didn't think it needed Parliamentary approval, but, if it truly was a surprise then it is additional spending that was not in the Budget , so would definitely need to be voted on.

Claig ..... what on Dave's green earth does this mean ... one lot of Westminster elites in 2010 took over from the ones before that allowed open door immigration, didn't build homes, saw domestic unemployment soar especially 16-24 year olds, screwed up banking, the economy, finances.

"And the tragedy of it all is that these clever Oxbridge MPs and PPEs don't really understand what they have done to let the people down so badly. It's not the economy, it's not the EU, it's not even immigration, it's something much more subtle. And clever as they are they don't understand what it is because they are not like us. And that is why they can't fix the problem and that is why they are going to lose."

So look at that 2010 picture when we were following the economic plan of France, so WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS THE CONSERVATIVES AREN'T FIXING- what is so "subtle", it is worth sacrificing whats been acheived, when we were going the way of France, on the road to Greece - and what does UKIP have within their talentless bunch of candidates (relying on Conservatives for MP seats) and clearly ignorant propagandists that is better???

Specify or look a pathetic propagandist willing to see this county pan hole for Farage power/seats, as if it's some class, PPE or fuck knows what other hang up you have, YOU need help, not the political system BRINGING RESULTS.

NO government gets it all right, but for the life of me I cannot see ONE structural political change UKIP with 2, 10, 20 MPs could bring, that we need over what is happening - as the European banking system, the world economy and our economic future will be under a huge threat next year, and none of that is important to a 'me, me, me,' UKIP/Farage with NOTHING to offer in fixing the UKs problems.

“Pay MPs £100,000 a year, says Farage... who happens to be looking for a seat in the Commons for himself”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684450/MPs-100-000-year-Britain-leaves-EU-says-Farage-prepares-stand-Parliament.html

“Nigel Farage has called for MPs to be paid up to £100,000 a year - if Britain leaves the European Union.”

“The UKIP leader said people would not object to '650 people earning a bit more money' if they were given more power over British laws.”

Farage us quite right to say that MPs should be paid more. what you failing to state us that Farage also says that in return for a higher basic salary the MPs must give up the whole raft of expenses that they can claim at the moment.

It's ridiculous yo oath an MP what is it 68 to 80k a year while victors get over 100 and. Junior school headmistress was raking in 250k it said the other day.

pay peanuts get monkeys. Not everyone has a big alternative income like Dave and his Eton chums do

stop looking back Isitmebut

tell us how Dave is going to get out of his current mess

Will he cough up the dosh?

'Specify or look a pathetic propagandist'

You won't believe me and nor will the spinners because they can't understand it, they don't get it, they can't get it, because to them it is not important, but to the people it is, because it is about mindset. By doing what they have done, they have turned the people against them, they have made the people realise that they are not on our side and once that happens, it is too late, people won't go back.

You tend to think in facts and figures, that is what is most important to you and you mock ordinary people who think on emotion, on empathy, on feeling, on "who is on our side?" which is now what everything really revolves around.

Lord Ashcroft sussed it long ago when he was doing his polling. He told the spinners then, but they just probably laughed in his face, like you might too, because they didn't get it in their ivory towers with their degrees and their PPEs. I have got nothing against PPEs or Oxbridge or Eton, I am all for education, I am even for elitism in education, I want high standards and top schools and an educated people (I once was a Tory), but what I am against is spinners who look down on, are divorced from, insult and ignore ordinary people and who are not on our side.

I am not envious of wealth. I don't care that Stuart Wheeler went to Eton and is worth millions, it doesn't make him better than me or than anyone else. And I respect Paul Sykes, the £650 million working class man who funds UKIP, because I believe he is doing good because he is on our side. And I like Lord Ashcroft because I think he is trying to do what is best to the best of his beliefs.

Why have millions of people all of a sudden in the past two years switched to UKIP en masse when in Essex for example they had a lower percentage in Basildon than the BNP in the general election? What happened? How come? What is going on?

The spinners think it is immigration because that is what people say. But people felt exactly the same about immigration 3 years ago as they feel today. Nothing has changed, and yet now 31% of people say they will vote UKIP in the general election if they think they have a chance, when 5 years ago UKIP got 2-3%.

What caused it? What did the progressives do? What did the metropolitan elite do? Because it was what they did that did it and they don't care because to them it is not important.

It is not facts and figures, it's not economics, it's more fundamental than that, and yet they can't understand it.

"A woman approaches Farage, who is wearing his trademark blazer and tie. Heavily tattooed and in her late twenties, she doesn’t look like a natural Ukip supporter. She shakes his hand.

“How do you feel,” he asks, “about the other parties?”

“Wankers,” she replies."

Why do people feel that about them? What have they done? They are just politicians trying to run the country.

Claig

I think the term we are all searching for is "disenfranchised"

the feeling is that none of the big 3 parties represent our views therefore we have no voice, so people have turned yo UKIP as it represents their views and therefore gives them cause to vote again

I was reading about MinuteMen. In the US these were citizens who could be called upon "at a minute's notice" to defend their country.

Similarities?

to defend their country by keeping a loaded gun ready to shoot the foreign (British) troops, you mean.

Remember Mrs Duffy talking about immigration 5 years ago to Gordon Brown. People have felt the same about immigration all the time. But what is different now is that they will say it openly.

Why did that happen? What changed it?

I think what changed it is at the heart of what has happened. What makes UKIP different to all the rest of the parties? What makes Farage different? Why did the young tatooed woman bother to go up to a politician, Farage, and shake his hand and why did she say all the others - including Labour, who are not even in power - are wankers?

I think that everybody has passed their "tipping point", they have all "had enough", Tory membership has halved - and it wasn't immigration that caused it. It was "political correctness". People can't take any more of it and now they are telling the politicians what they were not allowed to say i.e. immigration, but that is just the symptom not the real cause.

Day in day out these Oxbridge spinners on expenses used to go on our TV screens and lecture us and hector us and tell us what we were allowed to say, to tweet, to think, to question, to eat, to drink etc They stripped us of free speech, they tried to control our thoughts and our freedom, and their metropolitan mates spun us with media campaigns and nudge psychology to try to get us to think in a "politically correct" way and people finally thought we have had enough, these people are not on our side.

And that is why everythying they threw at Farage failed. They call him "nasty Nigel" for daring to be "politically incorrect" but we don't care, they pressured Mike Read over the "UKIP Calypso" but it will just make people even more convinced that they want to control us. Nothing they can do will work any more because we have all had enough.

And now people are giving the politicians a kicking and they are being "politically incorrect" and telling the spinners that the most politically incorrect thing concerns them - immigration. That has been brought out into the open because people are fed up of being hushed up and controlled.

Everybody now knows that these spinners don't work for us, they work for themselves and we have had enough.

Everybody is voting for the politically incorrect party - UKIP - with "nasty Nigel" who smokes like a chimney and downs pints and says that he will scrap their "politically correct" postal voting system etc

Here is Lord Ashcroft, he sussed it long ago, but the spinners, the metropolitan elite and PPEs can't understand it because they are progressives and their middle name is "politically correct"

"Lord Ashcroft: voters defecting to Ukip because they are fed up with political correctness

Voters are defecting from the Conservatives to Ukip because they are fed up with political correctness, not because of Europe, Lord Ashcroft said today."
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However, he said Ukip's general outlook, rather than policies, is driving support.

"Certainly, those who are attracted to UKIP are more preoccupied than most with immigration, and will occasionally complain about Britain’s contribution to the EU or the international aid budge," Lord Ashcroft wrote on his ConservativeHome blog.

"But these are often part of a greater dissatisfaction with the way they see things going in Britain: schools, they say, can’t hold nativity plays or harvest festivals any more; you can’t fly a flag of St George any more; you can’t call Christmas Christmas any more; you won’t be promoted in the police force unless you’re from a minority; you can’t wear an England shirt on the bus; you won’t get social housing unless you’re an immigrant; you can’t speak up about these things because you’ll be called a racist; you can’t even smack your children.

"All of these examples, real and imagined, were mentioned in focus groups by UKIP voters and considerers to make the point that the mainstream political parties are so in thrall to the prevailing culture of political correctness that they have ceased to represent the silent majority."

He identified the typical Ukip voters thinking "Britain is changing for the worse".

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9752197/Lord-Ashcroft-voters-defecting-to-Ukip-because-they-are-fed-up-with-political-correctness.html

essentially the people have decided that they will no longer be stifled by the Left a la Duffy.

They are duck of being told they are complaining about things that the sheltered elite just don't come into contact with

I watched Cameron's Anti 1 .7 billion speech again tonight. He's trying to copy Nige. Note too how he tries to Copt Estuary English - just like Osborne laughably tries to

People have realised that this elite foes not share the working persons aspirations, concerns, hopes, fears.....

UKIP is an expression of decades of pent up frustration as we have waited for someone should does actually display true leadership and has a very different vision of the UKs future.

Unlike this bunch of untrained monkeys

"the mainstream political parties are so in thrall to the prevailing culture of political correctness that they have ceased to represent the silent majority."

This is it. The silent majority has finally had enough and

"However, he said Ukip's general outlook, rather than policies, is driving support."

because they are on our side. John Harris of the Guardian said a similar thing when he realised that Labour was wasting their time attacking UKIP's policies because that is not what it is about. It is about the "general outlook", it is the fact that they are on our side.

And what is the answer of the spinners, the lawyers, the millionaires, the metropiltan elite?

Here is Labour's Chuka Umunna

"They [UKIP] are now arguably one of the main parties, and a lot of this stuff is vile, is absolutely vile, and it’s not in keeping with our British values of respect, tolerance and fair play.”

They don't get it and that is why they won't get the people's votes.

"UKIP is an expression of decades of pent up frustration as we have waited for someone should does actually display true leadership and has a very different vision of the UKs future."

Excellent description, that is spot on.

"pent up frustration" is exactly what this is all about.

They stifled us and tried to silence us and people can't take any more, they have "had enough".

That is why the politicians are held in such contempt that the tatooed woman called them "wankers". They are just people trying to run the country, but people feel they are not on our side. It is very sad and it is because they have become an elite class from the same schools elevated into the same club that rules for a select few and ignores the millions of us.

This is a brilliant analysis by the Telegraph's Peter Oborne, who along with the Guardian's John Harris, is one of our best political commentators, and there is also a fascinating observation about Andrew Marr by Michael Vestey.

"Members of the Political Class, even when they come from apparently rival parties, have far more in common with each other than they do with voters. They seek to protect one another, help each other out, rather than engage in robust democratic debate. This is why the House of Commons is no longer a cockpit where great conflicts of vision are fought out across the chamber. It has converted instead into a professional group, like the Bar Council or the British Medical Association.

The most important division in Britain is no longer the Tory versus Labour demarcation that marked out the battle zone in politics for the bulk of the 20th century. The real division is between a narrow, self-serving and increasingly corrupt governing elite and the mass of ordinary voters.
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What astonished me last Friday was the sudden outburst of the BBC’s political editor Andrew Marr at the end of the Today programme. Having listened to a discussion about why politicians lie so much nowadays, he indignantly told us, ‘I’m seething! I’m seething!’ It sounded a bit like the beginning of a pop song. He went on to say that he was fed up with people who didn’t enter politics saying so glibly that all politicians lie. ‘It’s just not the case.’ This was revealing in several ways. First of all it told us that Marr identifies more with the political class than with the electorate, which makes me wonder if he is actually there for them. It also made me think that he is so close to politicians that he can’t see that they’re lying. Does he really believe that they tell the truth all the time? Perhaps sometimes they do, but we know that after the election many of the things Blair said he wouldn’t do will come to pass. We know it. Doesn’t Marr? And is Marr suggesting that those who choose not to participate in politics have no right to tell politicians they’re lying? Who do you have to be?"

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/tory-labour-ukip-clacton-the-anti-politics-of-contemporary-britain/

"This is why the House of Commons is no longer a cockpit where great conflicts of vision are fought out across the chamber. It has converted instead into a professional group, like the Bar Council or the British Medical Association."

They even wanted to change our PMQs, to tame it down, to remove the cockpit aspect, to remove the passion, to "professionalise" it, to make it "politically correct", to drive a stake through its heart and to kill the only thing that the public actually watched.

Claig ... again, wild statement, either contradicting yourself, lying that every party is the same, that UKIP have any solutions "visions" when they dumped their 2010 GE manifesto within a year - so just taking your last post, WHO wanted to change PMQT, please specify, was it ever politician, a party, or 'the people' campaigns like on Mumsnet???

Claig .. on this page you say Conservative Fallon is 'nasty' saying yesterday 'we need to PREVENT our towns being swamped with immigrants', yet say on the SAME page that what we need is Farage speaking his mind that we are already OVER RUN - or whatever terms he has been using for 15-years, when what Muslim women was wearing over their faces, was more important in General Elections than the economy.

Who is the proven racist, Fallon or Farage????

Claig ... UKIP are racist far right nationalist, lied for 20-years on the EU to get votes, with no solutions to our problems, yet everyone else are "spinners"?

'The people' tend to believe the negativity opportunist political parties with nothing real to offer, tell them to believe, similar to this page of contradictinss really.

UKIP's Stuart Wheeler and maybe Paul Sykes, backing UKIP's and ex city trader Farage's lies, THEY really knows what is best for this country - or sense power for themselves, as owners of FTSE companies do?

Are you that stupid you have not worked that out yet - you want to replace the establishment and a political party with a record of UK success, with a party run by a few corporate businessmen and 'fronted' by an ex city trader? lolololol

Oh FFS Isitmebut. Educate yourself before shouting stupid rats it's nonsense

UKIP has an Asain MEP. It is more diverse Than the current Govt that has NO female ministers.

UKIP has lots of members from the ethnic minorities and from even recent immigrants themselves.

If your only level of debate is smear then you truly have lost the plot

Shouting RACIST and it expecting to silence people doesn't work any more. Did CCHQ forget to tell you? Even they have agreed we can talk about immigration with racism.

Pathetically attempting to take us back to the dark ages when all debate on immigration had led to the reason why we are seeing a surge in people who want to hear, learn and speak they truth instead of being bound by your political purdah on subjects you don't want to acknowledge.

UKIP DO NOT HAVE SOLUTIONS to our problems, and saying that a few corporate raiders and an ex city trader now now both speak for 'the people' and have THE PEOPLE'S interests at their heart, is beyond a joke.

Immigration HAS been swept under the carpet but for different reasons: initially by the 'open door' party calling anyone even mentioning it 'racist' , and then the Conservatives who did reduce NON EU immigration back to 1990s levels, started to reduce EU immigration until our economic success, sucked them back in again.

An EU Referendum is the only way this country will get all the facts and VOTE in or out - and that is what UKIP used to stand for, but now in the business of 'magic' solutions to all our Westminster problems, like Snake Oil Salesmen in the old wild west, headed by Dr Feelgood Farage.

WetAugust ..... dear me, what you mean to say is that 'slippery' UKIP do not want to be SEEN to be racist, as that was their roots to get BNP type 'boots on the ground' support, but have gone out their way to try and 'buy respectability' via offering power baubles to Conservatives - and trying to increase your non white members?

All very Wheeler, all very 'corporate' change of image.

So what was your non white Membership in 2006, please show me the figures then and now.

“Ukip Founder Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' And 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing'”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

"David Cameron has been under fire for dismissing the UK Independence Party (Ukip) as a party of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", in a now-notorious radio interview in 2006."

However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter - the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."

"They're not an intellectually serious party. Their views on immigrants and on [banning] the burqa are morally dodgy."

So if UKIP is NOT racist, or want to be seen as racist, why does Farage, knowing that while the in the EU there is NOTHING a UK government can do about the 'free movement' of people as the Lisbon Treaty is enshrined in British Law - keep winding people up about it, instead of getting behind a REferendum?

The fact is Farage goes back to UKIP roots for core votes, flip flops General Election policies depending on who he is targeting - and needs to show respectability by bringing in sitting Conservative MPs - but YOU FOOL no one.

"WHO wanted to change PMQT, please specify, was it ever politician, a party, or 'the people' campaigns like on Mumsnet???"

The metropolitan elite, the luvvies, the PC Brigade (as UKIP candidate Winston McKenzie would say). It's not the people. The people love it. Put it to the vote, a referendum, then let's see.

It is Nick Clegg and the modernisers

"Nick Clegg is supporting the campaign to reform PMQs. Today he said:

'I despair sometimes about how totally out of step with modern life politics appears. Look at PMQ, there's this brilliant petition from Mums Net attracting thousands of signatures. When will it be that PMQs is on at a time when people can actually watch it, when other people can ask questions, when there's much less of a Punch and Judy.

I've tried, but haven't succeeded, my own view is every time the Westminster establishment fails to reforms itself, there is another nail in the confirm in public interest and public confidence and you make a later crisis in confidence, that will come much much worse."

www.facebook.com/Change.orgUK/posts/581116245339952

Farage has never used "swamped" and "under siege" and disgraceful language like Fallon used. Talking about burqas in hospitals or schools is nothing like that.

'UKIP are racist far right nationalist'

Then why do they ban BNP members from joining UKIP whereas Labour have some councillors who have switched from being BNP councillors to being Labour councillors?

Fantastic UKIP Tim Akers on the Daily Politics says the use of "swamped" is intemperate and inappropriate language and should not have been used and then tore a strip off that Labour progressive saint, Blunkett, who did use the term "swamped" once, and who tried to accuse UKIP of being "appalling" for their campaign in Rotherham mentioning Labour in conjunction with the 1400 victims of abuse.