Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

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Panic in elite circles

And the odds against it reaching number one were 50 / 1 earlier today. Wish I had put a few bob on

It looks like they may not play it on radio

"He [Nigel Evans] said it would be a breach of impartiality rules to play it ahead of the November 20 by-election.

“Playing it would flout impartiality. Otherwise the other political parties could record their own songs for the election.”

Tracey Crouch, a Conservative member of the Culture, Media and Sport select committee, added: “This would probably breach editorial guidelines on impartiality.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11174130/Get-Ukip-Calypso-with-its-dodgy-faux-Jamaican-accent-to-No-1-says-Nigel-Farage.html

As if a Tory song would sell many copies. The only people who would buy it are the metropolitan elite and some teenage think tank policy wonks. UKIP have got the people, the Tories have got the metropolitan elite.

They know the game's up.

Oh so its them and us

UKIP is such a threat to the metropolitan elite and all their solar panels, windfarms, attempts to limit free speech and a free media, EU membership, political correctness agenda, plans to ban smoking in parks and who knows where else next, that they are desperate to try and stop it.

Not bothered about no radio coverage although some will say that it's yet another part of the conspiracy - so once again it will work against them

Dave has nowhere to go now.

He lied and he's been caught

Any residual trust has evaporated.

he was just trying to kick the. An down the street and he's been rumbled.

I am so looking forward to his debate with Nigel which will almost certainly not take place now - which just adds even more to Dave's poor image, this time to cowardly to face Nige.

Tis beautiful to behold.

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Stop looking for offence where none exists. You asked who they were and I explained. They are not us until they start living in the UK and then they become us. We cannot be them because we don't live where they live, if we did live where they live we would be them and not us

Basic stuff.

Anyway singing

EU citizens formerly resident outside the U k and now ordinarily resident in the UK, which is what they were, doesn't actually scan very well when set to a calypso beat.

I certainly don't going looking for offence, but if its there tripping me up like a mountain I cant not notice.
It really boils down to how you view things, I don't view a person based on their nationality, so never see a person from a different country as a "them" purely for that reason.
Now if the song had said "everyone" I would not have asked about that word.

If you cannot see the difference, that's your issue.

Basic stuff.

Farage should give up his £78k tax funded 'day job' and become a DJ, as despite UKIPs ‘Independence’ title, voting UKIP on EU/Immigration issues, will get the UK no further to SOLVING the issue as voting for the BNP, Greens or Girl Guide Movement – whilst STOPPING the one main party that will.

Miliband/Labour tends to keep quiet on the issue and hope it goes away.

Clegg/Lib Dems has borrowed a copy of the Barroso book of EU soundbites on permanent loan, that includes the dangers of leaving e.g. we will lose 3 million jobs, yet to be qualified in great detail, how.

Cameron in wanting a Referendum, where before hand ‘the people’ have the opportunity to weigh up all the pros and cons from both sides, is far from being “stupid”, it is both good governance and DEMOCRATIC, something UKIP’s Carswell keeps lecturing about as the ‘change’ we need, in Westminster.

So voting for Farage is only FOR Farage, and certainly not the means to decide a ‘positive’ future direction of this country, whether in the EU (with or without prior reforms), or out.

Winston McKenzie, UKIP Commonwelth Spokesman, now trending on twitter according to Evan Davis of BBC Newsnight.

I said the BBC's usual game would backfire on the metropolitan elite.

ISitmebut

You really have to have a good laugh at the irony of it.

Cameron pulls the 'you're nothing without us' stunt on the Scots to frighten them into staying in the UK. And then the same Cameron gets upset when his EU chum Barroso pulls the same stunt on him I.e. You are nothing without the EU

Hilarious

Cameron is fucked. As we say in these here parts " Proper fucked" .

Nd I. Am loving every minute of it as the Tories may just wake up and ditch the useless man and start returning the Tory party to a party that put the UK first and didn't kowtow to a load of unelected tosses in Brussels.

Notice how often Hesseltine and Clark are being wheeled out for interviews by the BBC recently in a vain attempt go argue for the EU? Are they so short of Tories who believe in the Great EU Experiment that they have to wheel out the decaying dinosaurs of yesterday?

Oh and the latest from Dave. - he still thinks he's right.

Tosser

Is there any danger of U-kippers on here doing anything other than deflect from the fact that while Carswell (now) the UKIP Westminster MP screaming for 'changes' in democracy above all else - while Farage the UKIP Party Leader who got to be an MEP via votes to LEAVE the EU, refuses to get behind Cameron's referendum - which is THE ONLY WAY the UK can leave the EU.

What is the point of a United Kingdom Independence Party just wanting Westminster power and making British politics look like a laughing stock to the rest of the world, who were so impressed with the fact a Scottish Referendum even took place.

And Farage doesn't need to become a DJ because he's got real DJs doing it for him for nothing.

Not our job to save the world.

It's Cameron who wears his Y fronts outside his trousers.

Wet August .. I realise that you can't get your pea brain around the fact there is MORE to being a real leader than focusing on calypso records e.g. leading the UK out of the worst recession in many, many moons, but there we are.

Cameron is not 'Donald Ducked' until 'the people' tell him he is at the next General Election, when the UKIP votes in polls show double digits, has collapsed over the last few general Elections to 2-3% of the National vote.

It still has not sunk in yet, has it, that you only have your FIRST MP because you 'bought' a sitting, popular Conservative with promises of a POWER via Deputy Leadership and getting his mug on the TV more often.

Cameron will announce more detail on immigration reforms, and then people will decide whether to vote for a UKIP who OBSTRUCT a Referendum, or the party arranging it.

But Farage wants to cut the deficit by slashing the modernisers' ring-fenced foreign aid budget and scrapping taxpayer subsidies to aristocrats to erect windfarms and by ending the brake on industry of green taxes.

Farage is pro-business. He would not have come up with the modernisers' policy of trying to limit the sales of alcohol by increasing its minimum price.

Farage is for free trade, free choice and free speech.

Farage was against spending millions on bombing Syria and said the "EU has blood on its hands over Ukraine" and is against the confrontational EU policy towards Russia which is one of teh reasons that Germany has gone into an economic slowdown that could affect all of Europe.

Farage is a well-respected world statesman whom the whole world knows is not the puppet of the EU or anybody else.

"Mike Read’s 'Ukip Calypso': Forget the X-Factor wannabes, Ukip might end up number one"
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Should you choose to listen to it, beware that it will be in your head ALL DAY.

The chorus is so annoyingly catchy that it manages to make the slightly worrying lyrics sound good.

“When we take charge and the new prime minister is Farage, we can trade with the world again, when Nigel is at Number 10.”
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There are 44,000 members of UKIP, so if they all downloaded a copy of the track, UKIP could end up with a number one. A terrifying thought.

Paddy Power is offering odds of 50/1 for ‘UKIP Calypso’ to debut at no 1 in the BBC Radio One singles chart."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mike-reads-ukip-calypso-forget-4468262

Isitmebut

Yes. Agree. The deficit needs to be reduced. Shame Cameron didn't achieve it.

You still don't get it do you?

Stuff the detail on Cameron's pretend immigration policy.

stuff the faux referendum

they will never let us leave.

So let's have some fun while we remain enslaved.

Until enough people get the message a nice gentle very British revolt occurs - which I actually think may be underway right now

An we please have some more EU commissioners telling the truth - it's very good for morale

Actually Cleggy will be one very soon. Perhaps he'll tell Dave what he can and. Not do. Just like he's been telling Dave for the last v4 years.

WetAugust …… the budget deficit has been reduced by over a third, but CLEARLY would have been reduced more, but tax breaks were given to companies to survive/hire 1.8 million more people than in 2010, increased State pensions via a formula to protect them, tax cuts to 30 million odd, several million taken out of tax altogether etc TO HELP AGAINST THE COST OF LIVING CRISIS CAMERON INHERITED – while your swivel eyed half wit is worried about Calypso records, democracy inside Westminster, but not in an EU Referendum, strange.

The EU CANNOT KEEP US IN, as if they could, what is the point of a UKIP with nothing to offer our domestic economy bitching about it, allowing back in the party that would have RAISED both our budget deficit and taxes to pay for their fat inefficient State???

“Cameron vows to 'fix' migration as he tells EU 'voters are my boss': PM promises detailed proposals by Christmas”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800836/cameron-vows-fix-migration-tells-eu-voters-boss-pm-promises-detailed-proposals-christmas.html
• PM hit back at European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso
• 'I'm very clear about who the boss is, and it is the British people,' he said
• EU chief had declared curbs on migrants from the continent 'illegal'
• Nick Clegg agreed with Barroso - saying UK would be 'marginalised'

History shows us that ‘benign anarchy’ is how far right wing parties like UKIP start, and then thrive as they turn up the volume with new powers and platforms they obtain (Westminster) – and while that clearly ''floats your rather sad boat', for the rest of us with an ounce of understanding of the financial, economic and social problems this country faces – Farage is just a ‘chancer’, and about as welcome as a cancer.

As someone who has cancer I find your last post very offensive.

Instead if blindly following you messiah Dave why not listen to those who know much more about DU law than he does . they are all saying that there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING that D ave can do to limit migration within the EU

The Cambridge Prof of EU law also said that any indirect attempts to do so could also be illegal and would be subject to challenges to the European Court.

So that's it in a nutshell. Stay in and be dictated to be the EU or get out.

If Dave truly believes that we should stay in he needs to accept that it's staying in under the current rules. if that's not acceptable as it would damage our country and society then he should remove the UK from the EU without a referendum. After all, Lab is not in favour of a referendum as it says that people have elected politicians to make those sort of decisions on their behalf.

So Dave should decide it's not in UK interests to stay in and from next Wednesday afternoon we will be leaving.

Dave archives massive increase in public support (as he does each time he gets tough on the EU). Calls election and wins without Claggys help.

So what's not go like about that Isitmebut.

Wet August …NO ONE including Cameron is disputing that it is currently illegal to stop the ‘free movement’ of citizens within the EU, but as I’ve mentioned several times and you ignore, this ‘free movement’ agreed in the Treaty of Rome decades ago, is NOT WORKING for many states within, especially the ‘mature’ economies with power within the EU, seeing the type of skills and ‘ brain drain’ the UK suffered in the 1970s – and as the rules can be changed INSIDE the EU, whether Barroso or Clegg oppose it or not, Cameron should be able to get support in this issue.

But if not, as the UK is overly suffering from our economic success e.g. via immigration, which even if our economy weakens it will be far stronger employment opportunities here than elsewhere in the EU, Cameron has taken on the European Court in several issues, why not on this, as if France can say screw the European Central Bank on the way they run their deficit economy, why should we care?

Re ‘Cameron should make us his mind what he wants to do now and maybe remove us from the EU now’, how many times do I have to remind you that THANKS TO UKIP getting 3% of the 2010 General Election votes in 2010 and no Westminster seats, CAMERON IS RUNNING A PARLIAMENTARY MINORITY GOVERNMENT, so how CAN he pass laws with the pro Barroso's EU Cleggster, UKIP voters ensured can stop and such EU legislation?

Cameron does not have the final say on our EU membership , and has CLEARLY stated that 64 million votes of the people in the UK will decide whether we stay in or out of the EU if he wins a majority in 2015, via a referendum Cameron will have ONE vote, that Mr Farage used to support saying “ I would do a deal with the devil to secure an in/out referendum on Britain’s EU Membership”, before Westminster power became his priority.

P.S. So do you NOW finally understand the legislative limitations within parliament of a Cameron MINORITY government, and that a Referendum (god willing) of 64 million will decide our EU future, not any Prime Minister, 200 odd Tory MPs or a UK parliament made up of around 650 MPs????

And Farage's dealings "with the devil", clearly has no boundaries when seeking power and money.

“Farage holds onto funding thanks to far right MEP."
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4242720.ece

“A triumphant Nigel Farage celebrated the revival of his anti EU group in the European parliament last night after forging a relationship with an MEP whose party leader is an Hitler apologist."

EFDD is an arrangement of convenience only that was provoked by Schulz luring away an MEP from the original grouping with offer of EU ministerial role, thus causing the original grouping to fail.

OK. Let's pretend that Dave does actually get all 28 member states to agree that the UK can opt out of one of the EUs core tenets - the free movement of its citizens. I say this to move the debate along, not because I believe it possible.

According to legal advice, that would need a Treaty Amendment that would need to be ratified by all EU member countries. Not all would rubber stamp it as some countries must hold referendums on the issue.

So no guarantees that Cameron could get all member states to ratify the Amendment

But let's assume that by some miracle he did. Treaty amendment would not happen overnight. It could only start after Dave has achieved an agreement in principle, so that would be around 2017. the best estimates are that Treaty Amendment would take between 18 months and several years. that would take us up to around late 2018 at the earliest and almost certainly 2019 as I cannot imagine the EU shoving this up their priority list.

So that's another 4 years away at best with net immigration running at say 140k per year, so another 560,000 EU citizens could legally migrate to the UK before Treaty Amendment prevents them.

please don't respond by quoting links etc. Please focus on the above as I am trying to see how the Tories can possible build the necessary infrastructure and services to permit such a continuing increase in people coming to live in the country while waiting for Treaty change.

The reality is that Dave knows he'll probably lose the GE so can promise the earth while knowing he cannot deliver. It's a pity as he could win this election if he started to bat for Britain.

Where Dave will come unstuck is if he is unlucky enough to win the GE, like poor John Major did unexpectedly.

Thought this was interesting, reference UKIP's EU troughing. There seems to be no barrel bottom they won't scrape when it comes to reserving the money they get from an institution they want out of does there.

Froth away Claig

WetAugust ... excuse me if I don't accept your "according to legal advice" timetable as gospel, as far too often you have made a statement as a fact, when easily proved, as they used to say in the Fosters advert, it was ‘woolabrawonga’ (sheep dip) – but we won’t have to wait long to get the full details from Cameron.

The POINT re UKIP is, that there is a 100% certainty that despite their 20-years ‘leave EU/control immigration’ promises to the electorate that obtained them 24 MEP seats (and so far) 1 MP in Westminster, there was never a rats chance they could deliver on those promises, not then, not now, not ever – and I don’t need to make up any ‘legal advice’ to make that statement.

Meanwhile, the UK has the distinct possibility that in very difficult global times, it will get Labour back, ruin what recovery we have had, just so a United Kingdom Independence ‘protest' Party can get Farage a seat in Westminster, he failed to achieve, what, 5- times before?

If any party has perpetuated a lie for 20-years, no U-kipper has the right to question Cameron’s integrity, especially when it is clear to all, Farage is only out for power/himself – and lets face it, it hasn’t been cheap in monetary terms (£2 million in expenses alone up to 2009) – but the UK stakes will be far higher when UKIP votes allows Miliband to repeat Labour’s mistakes through the 2000’s, from 2015.

“Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses
Farage used EU allowances to finance his eurosceptic message”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage