Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

"For all their talk of engaging with civil society, it is most unlikely that
politicians will fund groups with whom they seriously disagree.
Disgruntled motorists might be a large and under-represented group
in civil society, but the government is no more inclined to fund the
Automobile Association than it is to give a grant to a pro-life or pro-
smoking group. The EU will not give money to a eurosceptic or
climate sceptic organisation even if, as is surely the case, their
views are under-represented in Brussels. And although the Blair
government funded left-wing think tanks such as Demos, the Institute
for Public Policy Research and the New Economics Foundation
(Sinclair, 2009, p. 40), it did not fund those on the right, nor would
anyone have expected it to. Realpolitik dictates that you do not
finance your enemies. The question is whether it is morally defensible
to use public money to finance your friends"

...

"The EU’s tendency to subsidise overtly political lobby groups is
well-documented, with projects such as Europe for Citizens and
Youth in Action supplying grants to such organisations as Active
Sobriety Friendship and Peace (whose aim is a ‘world free from
alcohol’), the International Union of Socialist Youth and the Young
European Federalists.
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Environmental groups are particularly well
represented in the list of EU grant recipients (Boin and Marchesetti,
2010). Of the ‘Green 10’ - the ten largest environmental non-profits

• only Greenpeace does not receive EU funding and only because

it has refused the offer. 51 The Green 10 can hardly be described as a shadowy organisation. They have their own website where they proudly explain that their role is to lobby for legislation. ‘ We work with the EU law-making institutions - the European Commission, the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers - to ensure that the environment is placed at the heart of policymaking."

www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/DP_Sock%20Puppets_redesigned.pdf

And it is all public money, taxpayer money. It goes to the luvvies and the politically correct causes but I doubt much of it goes to Eurosceptics.

Tha cards are stacked against the people and are in favour of the luvvies.

That is why UKIP says "we want our country back".
They want to stop this EU elite who have conned the people and stacked the cards against them.

Very interesting analysis in Breitbart about the Survation poll which has UKIP at 25%, Conservative 31% and Labour 31%.

It seems that this is a national poll, but it seems that if you take the South of England outside of London, then UKIP is at a staggering 37% (an increase of 34% on their old national level of 3%).

I am not surprised, I think the spinners are seriously underestimating what is going on in the south of England outside the metropolitan elite's bastion of London.

"But today's poll suggests UKIP's support has increased much more in the south of England outside London than it has elsewhere in the UK - by a staggering 34 points. If that level was recorded throughout the South, Ukip could win as many as 128 seats, with no less than 102 of them coming from the Conservatives, whose vote in the region is down 14 points.

"In that event, Cameron would be left with just 187 seats, almost as weak a position as the Conservatives were in after their calamitous defeat in 1997. Mr Farage would achieve his ambition of holding the balance of power at Westminster. Any poll estimate of what is going on in an individual region is inevitably not as robust as that for the country as a whole."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/12/UKIP-Support-Soars-To-25-Percent

OMG. What have the poor spinners done to deserve this? How did they let the people down?

Today's new is that the Tories are going to try and "love-bomb" the people of Rochester.

"Cameron Sends Love Letter To Rochester Voters"

news.sky.com/story/1352634/cameron-sends-love-letter-to-rochester-voters

Soon they'll probably round up every luvvie, sleb, pop star, OBE and charidee that they can find on the streets of London to love bomb the people whom they ignored, patronised and insulted for years.

But to their utter dismay, their votes will just ebb away for spin has had its day.

It won't work

So with the EUAR we are handing even more power to the u

Handing more power over would trigger a referendum according to Cameron's promise

Is he holding a referendum? Thought not

Could UKIP have EVER have brought the UK out of the EU with the millions of votes you've had, with 24 useless (for the regions) anti EU UKIP MEPs that DIRECTLY financially benefited from that deception? No? Thought not.

Carswell MP's big ''change" is to allow MP 'recall' with what, 20% of the constituency, so muppets like you and Claig can social media bomb your misinformation and replace those MPs with home grown UKIP candidates Mr Wheeler and Mr Farage have YET to see win a Westminster seat?

An excellent corporate strategy to gain 'market share', UKIP's 'new' politics, folks.

P.S. as on this thread you frequently quote bollocks as facts, gissa link on this "EUAR" (whatever) power, and I'll have a look.

P.S. as on this thread you frequently quote bollocks as facts, gissa link on this "EUAR" (whatever) power, and I'll have a look.

"The date of the by-election will be seen as a shrewd move as it comes before a crunch House of Commons vote on handing police powers to Brussels, including signing up to the European Arrest Warrant - a move vehemently opposed by a number of Tories - and UKIP.

The UK has to sign up to the EU police and court deal, which the country had previously been allowed to opt out of, by December 1.

The vote in Parliament will come before that and senior Tories have warned they will vote against it and may even join UKIP in launching a legal challenge to the move to cede powers to Europe.

A Tory rebellion could prove a significant disadvantage to Mr Cameron ahead of the by-election.

However, referring to the November date, a Labour source said: "They are going long because they are running scared of the voters."

news.sky.com/story/1352634/cameron-sends-love-letter-to-rochester-voters

This was the information that Cameron forgot to talk about in his "love letter to Rochester voters".

Have a "look" at what a man who knows a thing or two had to say. He is UKIP through and through and is at the vanguard of the People's Army who are besieging the spinners, holed up in Rochester Castle. His name is Reckless, he is for the truth and won't accept anything less.

"I asked him [Cameron] why, as we had just sent out millions of European election leaflets saying we had brought back control of justice and home affairs from the EU, we were now opting back in to every measure that mattered.

Rather than just saying it was a deal we were stuck with from the Liberal Democrats, Mr Cameron defended the European Arrest Warrant in passionate terms – despite the fact that as a backbencher he had spoken strongly against such a warrant.

His now apparently passionate defence of it struck us as synthetic. Advised by Lynton Crosby, his Australian image guru, the Prime Minister juts out his jaw and looks serious and sincere when making points, I fear now irrespective of whether he believes in them or not.

The next question asked what the PM wanted to renegotiate before his vaunted EU referendum. An answer, came there none.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2772208/MARK-RECKLESS-Broken-promises-Tory-spin-Cameron-goaded-quit.html

But has Cameron lied he could bring the UK out of the EU for 20-years - and who can trust what a Carswell or Reckless says about Cameron when looking at what UKIP could EVER EU exit/immigration control achieve - so clearly they have left for other reasons e.g. promises of 'little cog in big Wheeler power', until they fall out with Farage, and are then known as the "dregs of rejects".

Who Farages builds up welcoming at one conference, become toast at the next - but get used in-between. Nice.

'But has Cameron lied he could bring the UK out of the EU for 20-years'

No he most certainly has not. For a start, he wants us to remain in the EU.

Immaterial, Salmond with so much more public support wanted Scottish Independence, how'd that work out in an in/out referendum????

You U-kippers for some reason have a great difficulty understanding what an IN?OUR Referendum means, it is not complicated, but look it up if still struggling.

...or 'an IN/OUT Referendum'. D'oh.

3 prominentMedway Tories defected to UKIP today inc Reckless former election agent

Dave asks the Rochester Tories to. Hose between 2 identikit femal councillors to fight reckless

Dave. You are sloooooooww. We already have a candidate and he's already in the lead

They haven't got a clue!

Fantastic news I read today. Louise Bours, who is very good, has said that UKIP will exclude the NHS from TTIP. The Conservatives are very unlikely to be able to do that because they probably won't be allowed to by their financial backers.

When all this is explained in the General Election campaign, UKIP will win even more votes.

www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/damian-hockney/labour-mp-defecting-to-ukip

Good

The 38 degrees woman who handed me a pamphlet about TTIP was very sneery about UKIP so don't count on them for support.

I see Mr Bean is saying that immigration levels are right.

When Sheffield us supposed to be on the brink of exploding due to Roma immigrant invasion.

"The 38 degrees woman who handed me a pamphlet about TTIP was very sneery about UKIP so don't count on them for support."

Yes, all these pressure groups are left wing. I wouldn't be surprised if the government or the EU fund them. UKIP will achieve real change because it will get elected, not just talk about it.

Interesting article by Peter Hitchens. He says that lots of Tories should defect to UKIP and then it will all be game over and we will be on our way out of Europe. He says a Tory split would do it.

"If a large number of Tory MPs now defect to Ukip – as many must be tempted to do – Ukip can be transformed in a few weeks into a real third party which can thrash Ed Miliband in seats he would otherwise win.

I believe that this could create the crisis that Nigel Farage needs and hopes for – the possibility of a workable, hard-nosed post-election pact between the Tories and Ukip, an unequivocal deal to take us out of the EU and give us back control over our borders.
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The Tory Party (like Labour) is close to the end of its natural life anyway. It has no automatic right to survive, and its successor is currently being born in places as far apart as Greater Manchester and Essex. Voters are not the property of politicians. When they stop voting for one party, and start voting for another, why do we treat them as deserters who need to be dragged back?
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Well, I think the people are right and the Establishment wrong. These wonderful, exhilarating and truly historic votes are not bad news to me or to many others who have long warned that our country could not be run in this way much longer without being ruined and abolished.

At last, the bone-headed, complacent consensus which has done us so much damage has been challenged."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2789604/peter-hitchens-one-thing-save-labour-tory-split.html

But, Hitchens is not a "moderniser" so he probably hasn't got much support among Tory MPs.

I don't really want any more 2nd hand Tory MPs TBH. I think we should control our UKIP borders and only import quality politicians

Ed is making himself even more unelectBke with humorous immigration stance and the EVELYN which his party is refusing yo back. that stance will make a lot of lab voters livid as it is totally contrary to fairness and common sense

They seriously have to get shot of this joker if they are serious about winning the did tigon. But Ed dill almost certainly be so bad during the election campaign that he'll make Gordon a twin look good

.... Unelectable with his pro immigration.......

Yes, your are right. And a rump Tory party would not make a deal with UKIP anyway. They are Blairites and would do a deal with Labour and the LibDems.

Another councillor for UKIP in by election in Hampshire

Great
This is a tidal wave.

Yes it is starting to look that way....

I was delighted to see the emphasis placed upon the Nhs at the conference. An emphasis I have been arguing for for many years.

If you attend a by election you'll hear labour candidates speaking of nothing else. They are in for a nasty shock. :-)

especially when 2 labour peers have been arguing foe a charge to see your GP.

Staffs happened in Labours watch. They may have set up the NHS but they cannot dine out on that ad infinitum.

Exactly Wetaugust.

The chap who set up the nhs left school at 14 with no qualifications and was from a town that had known genuine poverty ( Wikipedia describes it as a man made living hell).

The modern labour party would even allow him into Westminster to sweep the floors nowadays, not my words mark. Google labourlist, their activist magazine.

It was labour who sold off £300 billion worth of the nhs to the private sector, through their wonga-like pfi deals. And whether labour or tory the TTIP will put the final nail in the nhs coffin.

When unite writes to ukip asking for it help in stopping it the implications become clear, not just for the nhs but for labour's long term funding too.

I suspect I'm going to enjoy the coming election...