Tory MP Mark Reckless defects to UKIP

[claig]

Panic in elite circles

John Harris is an excellent left wing journalist for the Guardian. He understands why we vote UKIP. They have patronised us, they have spun us, they have lied to us. But they haven't just done that to UKIP voters, they have done it to the British public as a whole. All of us were lied to about weapons of mass destruction etc

"Our sneering political elite and a howl of rage that could change politics forever"
...
"The Guardian writer John Harris, one of the few commentators who refuses to patronise Ukip voters, put it very well last week.

‘In essence, Ukip has a simple human story to tell,’ he wrote. ‘People feel abandoned; this new force assures them it will listen.

‘They complain of being insulted and patronised; Ukip insists they should never apologise for who they are.’

As Thursday’s results showed beyond any doubt, Ukip’s ‘human story’ now has both tremendous resonance and an apparently unstoppable momentum."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2788866/our-sneering-political-elite-howl-rage-change-politics-forever-writes-historian-dominic-sandbrook.html

And "getting our country back" means taking it back from the EU Brussels bureaucrats and making it sovereign again so that we make all our own laws and are subject only to our laws. It means getting it back for the people and away from Brussels.

"Now we can't even deport a Mafia don to Italy: Their crowded jails 'would breach his human rights'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582589/Mafia-fugitive-living-quiet-west-London-suburb-wins-battle-against-extradition-Italy-freed-today.html

People are starting to wonder what on earth is going on. Who is actually in charge, who makes the laws, who can change them?

This UKIP phenomenon is quite amazing.

The economy is growing fast we are told, the Coalition has done some truly great things that Labour never did such as taking millions of low-paid workers out of taxation. They haven't done bad, and yet they are facing a people's rebellion, much of which started off as a Tory rebellion but is now quickly turning into a Labour rebellion too.

Why?
It's not Europe.

It is because people all over the country have had enough. They are starting to think that the people in charge are not on our side.

In Scotland, millions had had enough of them.
In Clacton, tens of thousands had had enough of them.
In Heywood and Middleton, thousands had had enough of Labour.

Two years ago I still persisted with the Tories, but finally I had enough, they weren't what I called Tories. They weren't on our side.

In Jaywick, many people had had enough years ago which is why they stopped voting altogether.

There are still people who have not had enough and who will vote for more of the same - the same old spin, the same old faces, the same old lies, the same old crap. They still believe that they are on their side.

But as everyday passes more and more of us have had enough and want something better, we want change.

'that is not UKIP'

It's not the carefully stage managed image we get to see, no. However, every closet racist, homophobe and misogynist is ... like you... claiming to support UKIP, gleefully saying 'we don't have to be politically correct any more' and it's translating into open hatred. Vote these people in and we get the BNP by the back door

Political correctness was a curb on our right to freedom and free speech. People felt frightened to say that they wanted curbs on immigration in cae they were howled down as racists.

Farage is a breath of fresh air, unlike people like Carswell, because Farage has no fear, he says what he thinks and most of the time he says what most of us think which is why he connects with the people and is so popular and has the highest approval rating of any politician in Britain.

He is on our side, he stands up for us. He has a pint and a fag and sticks two fingers up to all the spinners. That's why the poster Pixel told us of an 80 year old woman in Brighton who said "I want to meet that lovely chap, Mr Farage". He doesn't hug hoodies, he doesn't spin, he is not politically correct, he is just real, like all of us.

UKIP have destroyed the BNP and Nick Griffin has been removed. UKIP is not racist just because it wants to control our borders.

Is Winston McKenzie, UKIP representative for the people, a racist? He could run rings around those po-faced progressives on the Labour benches and the pompous plonkers on the Tory ones. I hope he gets into Parliament, he will liven things up and win even more votes for UKIP.

cogito

You seem determined to prevent Claig from expressing very valid opinions by wrongly labelling Claig as racist.

Sorry. that tactic was tried but failed.

Even the Labour Party now agrees we can talk about immigration without being labelled racist.

And about time too.

Claig

I have just spotted a new trend...

What does Farage really stand for is now being asked as though he has some hidden agenda and will dupe everyone into voting for him only go find out that he's really. ..........

Total utter barking bollocks

Wonder what the next scare tactic will be?

Claig

I have just spotted a new trend...

What does Farage really stand for is now being asked as though he has some hidden agenda and will dupe everyone into voting for him only go find out that he's really. ..........

Total utter barking bollocks

Wonder what the next scare tactic will be?

Yes, the new trend is really part of their old smear campaign.

They're desperate, they have nothing else left. that is why they insult UKIP and UKIP voters. When I first switched from Tory to UKIP, I thought I may one day go back, but then they insulted UKIP voters and that put my back up. They ignore us, they despise us, they take us for granted and they take us for fools, that's why we will never be going back.

"The public are demanding a change to the immigration system that only Ukip is prepared to provide. The other parties just offer spin and people hate being played for fools." - Nigel Farage

And the smears they use against Farage are similar to the nasty, arrogant smears and attacks they use against Mark Reckless who dared to leave their sinking ship. But with every smear they use, their ugly side becomes more evident and more and more people join the ranks of the People's Army.

"But if Mr Cameron continues to tolerate the smear campaign being waged against Mark by his lieutenants, he risks setting off an even bigger wave of support for Ukip."- Nigel Farage

"They say that all political careers end in failure. Can this have happened simultaneously to Cameron, Miliband and Clegg?

They disappoint all but their most blinkered supporters. Yet they’re all intelligent men of averagely good character. So what’s the reason for our malaise over them?

Maybe because they’re hot-house plants, people without real experience who’ve used family and/or university connections to secure placements in high-level politics.

They’re trained to manage our hopes and expectations, but they don’t have the life experience to know intuitively what does and doesn’t work in public administration.

'Farage isn't an antidote to politicians so much as an old-style political populist, or anti-elitist, whose appeal lies in empathising with the doubts and dislikes of voters'

Their nemesis is Nigel Farage. Having sat next to him at a lunch, I found the public view of him — that he might be a fun drinking companion — to be accurate. He put me in mind of the stereotypical successful salesman who in comic lore and pre-feminist times charmed the pants off farmers’ daughters.

He has fastened onto and exploited public concerns which were ignored, or obfuscated, by mainstream politicians. Ed Miliband’s desperate-sounding promise in The Observer yesterday that immigrants will have to ‘earn the right’ to state benefits and face stiff English language tests is a direct response to Farage’s polemics on this issue.

But Farage isn’t an antidote to politicians so much as an old-style political populist, or anti-elitist, whose appeal lies in empathising with the doubts and dislikes of voters, rather than formulating and putting into successful action government policies that help us live more sensibly, securely and happily.

If Nigel is the answer, what’s the question? That we want to demolish our existing political system and start again?"

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2790443/peter-mckay-farage-answer-s-question.html

Yes, we need a new system, one that listens to and doesn't lecture us. We need PR and direct democracy and local referenda so that our voices are heard for once and not these patronising metropolitan elite spinners from Oxbridge.

I agree the smear campaign is totally counter productive. I would never go back either but I've been gone since 1981.

I think a lot of this has to co with the growth of London and the neglect elsewhere, as noted by Parris. The he London centrIc politics.

The he expenses scandal has also a deep public mistrust. But sad Nige said yesterday, he's OK where he lives but for other people in other parts of the country should have been affected by poor pay, declining public services due to over stretch as a result of massive immigration etc, life is not so secure. It's breadline.

Another factor is the comprehensive system. Unless you are lucky you end up in one like my local, which they tried to tell us was the third best in the county, but is actually now in special measures, just like the other todo lock comps. You don't get to Oxbridge from a school in special measures o the elitism continues unabated.

So those that are below the radar of the sites have no prospects and a very real poverty of opportunity to improve their lives.

And that's why, in addition to the who rules us question! it is all kicking off

Yay. I just got rung by Populous Opinion Poll asking me about biting intentions and feel good factor.

Used to get a lot of polling calls but this is the first for years.

Excellent

When they asked who you were voting for, did they say
"Everyone's gorn the same way?"

Was out this evening but it appears that Panorama did a complete smear job on UKIP this evening. Lots of complaints from non UKIP people. Must have been bad

But that's what happens when the BBC takes three million in grants from the EU

BBC Dancing to the tune of the EU who pays them. Disgusted

Yes, A Daily Mail comment by one of its readers said "hatchet job".

I haven't seen it. Will watch it on iplayer.

People are clever, they know the Establishment is panicking and its BBC has to try and fool the people. It will backfire and just win more votes for UKIP. People always support the underdog.

The only way the BBC can help the Torie is if they can start portraying the spinners as the poor underdogs. But no one is stupid enough to believe that.

They don't know what to do. Everything they do backfires.

Crisis meetings are being convened. Every luvvie has had their holiday leave cancelled. They know that Rochester is their High Noon and it is approaching very soon.

The spinners have got many more tricks up their sleeves, we ain't seen nothing yet.

All of the best Oxbridge brains are on the case. But Farage is too smart for the whole lot of them. They don't call him "The Fox" for nothing.

I fear they do have something up their sleeves. I cannot see zany of them going quietly.

I am really disgusted that the Beeb has taken EU handouts. There is no way that the Beeb would be neutral and unbiased in any in out debate.

It makes me feel sick to see the way these bodies have tried to manipulate the public.

I hope that if UKIP ever foes get influence it seeks the abolition of the licence fee,

Lots of these type of bodies manipulate the public. Some of these charidees and green pressure groups etc also receive EU funds.

'I hope that if UKIP ever does get influence it seeks the abolition of the licence fee'

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. UKIP know the game, they have been around long enough, they know how the system works. If they get in, I think they will make a lot of changes so that the people are no longer fooled and conned.

"Sock Puppets - How the Government Lobbies Itself and Why"

"New research, released today, reveals the true extent of government funded lobbying by charities and pressure groups.

This report argues that, when government funds the lobbying of itself, it is subverting democracy and debasing the concept of charity. It is also an unnecessary and wasteful use of taxpayers’ money. By skewing the public debate and political process in this way, genuine civil society is being cold-shouldered."

www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/sock-puppets-how-the-government-lobbies-itself-and-why

Remember how the entire media - the BBC and every left and right wing newspaper - threw literally everything that they had against UKIP as they accused them of being racist etc. during the EU election campaign. But none of it worked, they think the people are stupid, but they are far smarter than that.

Total relentless manipulation to the point of mugging a comatose public.

And the sad thing is that most people are more interested in the story line of Eastenders than they are in finding out what is being done in their names, behind their backs

You can see just how much the elite fear losing their elevated status

'This report argues that, when government funds the lobbying of itself, it is subverting democracy'

UKIP will cut the deficit by saving lots of taxpayer money by putting a stop to all of this. Lots of taxpayer funding for the metropolitan elite's politically correct pet projects will be scrapped.

That is why they are so worried about UKIP.

'And the sad thing is that most people are more interested in the story line of Eastenders than they are in finding out what is being done in their names, behind their backs'

Exactly. It is very sad. That is how the out-of-touch metropolitan elite are able to maintain control and screw the hardworking public who just want a fair shake and a decent pay rise and a decent future.

That is why we need UKIP's direct democracy and local referenda so that ordinary people regain power and decision making and can no longer be manipulated by out-of-touch elites who use public funds to lobby themselves and fool the people.