Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

So claig you think the way UKIP treated Roger Lord was acceptable then?

“Whatever happened to Ukip, the 'people's party'?”

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100284448/whatever-happened-to-ukip-the-peoples-party/

“And then along came Roger Lord. Just as Nigel Farage and Douglas Carswell were patting each other on the back over their coup de théâtre (a little awkwardly, if reports from yesterday’s press conference are to be believed), the 57-year-old local farmer revealed to the world he had already been selected to fight Clacton for Ukip, and that he wasn’t planning on standing down for anyone. Issuing the sort of statement only a Ukip candidate could issue, he stubbornly declared: “I’ve had a 16-year-old shove a machine gun up my nose in Nicaragua. I’ve faced bigger threats from real killers, and if they think they can walk up to me and push me then I’ll push back. I’ve never run away from anything.”

“What is Ukip’s USP? Partly it’s that they are a group of people would have no truck with an acronym like USP. It’s a professional political operatives' phrase. A Westminster phrase. Ukip are the antithesis of that cozy, incestuous, Westminster cabal.”

“Or they were, until a member of that incestuous, cozy Westminster cabal comes up to them and asks: “can I be your candidate for Clacton?” At which point people like Roger Lord find themselves knifed with a political ruthlessness that would make Peter Mandelson blush.”

“In January Douglas Carswell was praising David Cameron for delivering Euro referendum. Yesterday he was attacking him for not delivering a Euro referendum. That is not principled or consistent opposition. It is classic political sophistry”

“It’s becoming clear that Douglas Carswell’s defection statement yesterday was not a wholly honest and honourable explanation, but an exercise in ex-post facto self-justification. Not unlike the resignation of his former colleague Baroness Warsi, he had clearly taken the decision to jump ship, and was looking for ways of rationalising it – both to the outside world, and himself. And to an extent, he’s achieved his aim.”

“But Carswell’s defection has come at a price for both himself and his party. As we’ve seen, his attempts to stand on a point of high principle have ended with him balanced precariously on a pin head. Ukip’s claim to be practitioners of a different kind of politics is being single-handedly demolished by Roger Lord’s brave defiance. And within Ukip’s ranks, many existing parliamentary candidates will have been watching Lord’s treatment, seen the rumours of other possible Tory defections, and been saying to themselves “there but for the grace of the national executive committee go I.”

I think it's politics. Its harsh but the coup of getting a defector from the Tories and trouncing them in a by-election before a general election was too good to miss. It was probably done for the greater good. Roger Lord sounds like a good guy. I hope he gets another position somewhere.

Hear hear, Isitme. We may be on opposite ends of the political spectrum (I am miles to the left of so-called Labour) but we both recognise dirty dealings and business as usual politics when we see them.

'“What is Ukip’s USP? Partly it’s that they are a group of people would have no truck with an acronym like USP.'

What the hell is USP? More modernisation and PPE parlance?

'“In January Douglas Carswell was praising David Cameron for delivering Euro referendum. Yesterday he was attacking him for not delivering a Euro referendum. That is not principled or consistent opposition. It is classic political sophistry”

That was when he was a Tory, it won't happen now that he is UKIP.

'Ukip’s claim to be practitioners of a different kind of politics is being single-handedly demolished by Roger Lord’s brave defiance.'

Hodges is wrong here. The people are loving the spectacle of the little guy taking on the party machine and challenging them to a duel. That is what UKIP is all about - anti-elitism and for the people. But they also know that they want to see the Tories trounced in Clacton-on-Sea and that Carswell gets much more media coverage and therefore what must be must be.

Politics is spectacle and UKIP have put on a show. The luvvies have rushed to Clacton in blind panic, PPEs are catching the train from Liverpool Street Station, spinners are already in every bar, the people are laughing and Farage is downing a jar.

People are witing for teh Daily mail headline after polling day

"Carnage in Clacton, PPEs in panic, Spinners and Sinners are manic"

"Where was Boris?" they will all cry, but he didn't want to take the fall, he's still riding high.

claig I notice you pointedly not answering the question about UKIP's treatment of their original candidate for Clacton...

Unique Selling Point - e.g. a fricking policy you can deliver, or stand by for longer than a year.

Football is a spectacle, politics/government is running the country.

In 2015 either the Conservatives or Labour will form the next administration, that is the peoples choice (with help from electoral boundaries), Ukip is just a lot of 'noise' in-between, that may mean voters voting for Ukip will get some one completely different, and may never of voted for them in a year of Sundays.

I answered it. They had to do it. He is a little guy and they have bigger fish to fry. They couldn't pass up the chance to call and win a by-election just months before a general election. They know that all the media moguls and all the luvvies are against them and that they all try to write them off, but when they win Clacton, the whole country will see that the spinners are liars not honest friars.

'Unique Selling Point'

What rubbish these spinners come up with. UKIP have more than a unique point, they have hundreds of points and they don't need to sell them because they are the truth. How stupid do they think the public are. It's not about selling washing powder, shiny Dave and Blair's teeth, it's about principles, values and beliefs.

Daily Mail Headline; Clacton - Labour wins, on 2-Ukipper/1-Conservative 3-way split. lol

'Football is a spectacle, politics/government is running the country.'

Then why are the Tories making a right spectacle of themselves?

The public are in revolt, but up to now they are not sure whether they can vote UKIP because they think it may be a wasted vote. But when they witness what happens in Clacton, when Cameron throws the entire Tory spin machine into full gear to try and wrest victory from the jaws of defeat and still fails, then there will be an avalanche as people across the entire land say we are joining the rebellion, we are letting rip, we are voting UKIP.

Yes dear.

The Battle of Clacton

Finally came the morning that the world had waited for
People queued up for the opening of the polling booth door
The world's media were all there
Luvvies, PPEs and spinners had entered Clacton's lair

"Who will you vote for?" they all cried, but the people just laughed and said "not for those who lied"
Exit polls reached high society and were buried by the BBC
There was panic on the sofa, this couldn't be fixed by any gopher

Dimbleby was getting ready, every big luvvie was invited on the show,
The people of Clacton had spoken and someone would be brought low
The best spinners from Oxford were called to put some gloss on this mess
But they threw their hands up in the air, such a feeling of distress

Then the news was announced
Tories thoroughly trounced
Clacton celebrated throughout the night
The people had done what was right

Claig has officially lost it. nurse!

I never had it

I don't know, August - I wouldn't mind some of what claig is smoking, she certainly has a happy outlook on life.

'she certainly has a happy outlook on life'

You have to laugh about it all. Life is a spectacle, it's all one big glorious show

Lord.

"People from ethnic minorities are unlikely to vote UKIP."

Wrong, polling shows that UIKP get more than their fair share of the BME vote compared to national vote share. You party you are thinking of is the libdems who actively target predominantly white areas, with white male candidates. Indeed they have had far more active paedophiles than BME candidates or MPs, only a handful of whom are female.

As for rf241's usual crib sheet nonsense it is easily debunked..

He argues that UKIP MEPS claim maximum expenses and don't turn up. MEP expenses however are based upon attendance, hence the liblabcons who merely show their faces in order to claim maximum expenses and rubber stamp pejorative legislation through which undermines our sovereignty are the culprits here.

One wonders whether they even read the laws they rubber stamp, UKIP on the other hand opposes any transfer of competencies to the EU hence their role is clear.

"Rotherham? What would UKIP in power have done to change that? How would UKIP have prevented it?"

By making equality under the law the guiding principle, as it always was before labour and the tories meddled with Magna Carta. And common sense of course...

I know you PPE types are explicitly taught to decry and have the utmost contempt for Magna Carta, and with it the common people it is designed to protect. Frankly the PPE course is just a production line of sheep who reel off their course notes on such matters. Simply put however you are all wrong, to the point of being un-British or even anti-British. The freedoms and protections enshrined in Magna Carta do matter, and only someone with a vested interest, a poor intellect and a warped sense of self interest would argue otherwise.

If you read the reports on the industrialised rapes in Rotherham it is clear that the perpetrators considered themselves to be protected and above the law. This could only have come from within the ruling powers, labour in this instance but we all know that tories are as bad if not worse.

Indeed labour and the tories both hamstrung our police with targets in 30-odd different areas of policing. Neither Major's, nor Blair's, nor Brown's nor Clagg / Cameron's governments made child protection and paedophilia cases a factor in these targets. The message was clear, focus all of your attention on other areas or else the Home Office will be asking questions about your allocation of resources.

What sort of a party makes the protection of our children from organised rapists or paedophile rings number 39 or lower on a list of targets? What sort of a party pressurises police to drop cases where child sexual abuse is alleged in order to protect community relations? What sort of a media, party or parliament hides active paedophiles until after they are dead and then claims, ever so convincingly, that they knew nothing about it.

Rotherham would never have happened on UKIP's patch, in fact it could never have happened on anyone's patch except the gutless, perverted gnomes who currently think they have a divine right to rule us.

No offence but you make me sick.

In fact, rf241, it strikes me that I have been far too diplomatic with you.

Let me explain something to you that shouldn't need explaining to anything other than a hostile and alien predator.

UKIP is made up of ordinary people. Ordinary people, plebs to you, look out for each other. Your kids are my kids, your rights are my rights. We stand shoulder to shoulder against scum like you who would subvert our rights and allow injustices, such as the mass rape of an entire generation of children, to further their own ends.

Typical PPE that you are I'm sure you see Rotherham as nothing more than an inconvenient news story, to be downplayed and forgotten about as quickly as possible. Call up your spin doctors and get something else on the front page - cover it up - contain it - hope the plebs forget about it.

"Rotherham? What would UKIP in power have done to change that? How would UKIP have prevented it?"

That, on a site devoted to parents, you asked what parents and plebs would do to prevent the organised rape of other people's children is the most damning indictment of your type anyone could possibly want.

I'm sure you sat next to people who now walk the corridors of power, who think the same way you do and who are trained to act as though they give a damn.

And that is scary.

Spinflight- wow quite some posts!

I agree that the LibDems have a real issue in that they are not representative at all, but I think when push comes to shove few BME people will vote UKIP.

This constant foamy mouthed 'PPE types' rant from you and Claig before you is simply tedious. PPE is an excellent course. There are many different options to choose from. The vast majority of people who did it are not involved in politics. The course does not advocate taking freedom or equality away. When did I argue that the freedoms enshrined the magma carts didn't matter? I think the only one with a poor intellect is the one who attributes to me statements I haven't made and opinions I haven't expressed.

The Rotherham scandal is disgusting and upsetting to any decent minded person. At what point did I say that any of it was ok???? I didn't ask what 'parents and plebs' would do, but I asked what UKIP in power would have changed? It seems as if there is culpability at every level throughout agencies and departments who shlukd have been protecting these children, and I'm not sure that it could have easily been solved by UKIP being in power. There was a criminal and dangerous approach to the abuse across the board and UKIP in power would not have been able to change this necessarily, THIS is what I meant?

Frankly I'm insulted that you imply that the scandal is an inconvenience to me and that I think it's ok. I am sick of people on this thread appropriating the scandal
As if they care more. It isn't some kind of contest. We are mothers. We must have all felt sick when the report came out

Too diplomatic with me? I think that you should find out the meaning of diplomacy

Frankly i don't care that I make you sick. Perhaps I might if it wasn't clear that you were replying to ny'PPE type' as much as me, evidenced by how many things you say in response to things I haven't said.

Also I wouldn't stand by and allow mass rape for my own ends. FFS. You're seriously on the edge you weirdo.

SpinFlight, I think that was an unfair attack on rf241.

rf241 thinks that UKIP are like the BNP because she has been taken in by the media. If the media cons people to believe that good people like Diane James, Louise Bours, Carswell, Roger Lord etc are racist, then it is not those people's fault, it is the media lies that are at fault.

'I think when push comes to shove few BME people will vote UKIP.'

That is what Labour hopes, but it is not true. The media interviewed people in Clacton and a black man said he hopes UKIP do well. Black people are no different from anyone else, we all want an end to corruption, an end to decline, an end to spin and direct democracy where the people make the decisions not the PPEs.

'PPE is an excellent course'

All academic courses are good, but why is our useless luvvie elite so stuffed full of people from this course. The answer is obvious and is why our system is failing. The Establishment selects from these people, it opens doors and rolls out carpets for them and they in turn are grateful to the Establishment. That is the way the system works. Of course not all of them go into politics, lots of them are in the media, in the BBC, in charidees, in think tanks, in social market foundations and in PR spin companies etc.

Does it matter? It matters to the Establishment, so it matters to the people.

'It is the degree of choice for the Westminster elite, claiming six cabinet members and three Labour leadership contenders among its alumni. Why does Oxford's politics, philosophy and economics course dominate public life?

In the corridors of power, at the very highest reaches of government, a form of educational freemasonry holds sway.

It has nothing to do with Eton College, nor even the Bullingdon Club - both far more commonly-cited lightning rods for resentments about class, privilege and the fast track to power.

Instead, the surest ticket to the top - for Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem politicians alike - is surely a degree in politics, philosophy and economics (PPE) at the University of Oxford."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11136511

Of course, the Establishment takes working class people with PPEs too. They can join the club, but the club has rules set by the Establishment.

"Labour, for all its egalitarian rhetoric, can hardly claim an advantage. As ballot papers go out to the party's members for the leadership contest, three of the contenders for that crown - David and Ed Miliband, plus Ed Balls - are alumni, as are such big names from Gordon Brown's government as Lord Mandelson, Jacqui Smith, Ruth Kelly and James Purnell."

Look at that list. Are they the best we have got in this great country? What a sad bunch. "Big names" . Purnell, a luvvie now at the BBC, paid for from the public's pocket.

That is what is wrong with ths country. Too many useless, talentless, spineless people in charge.

Scandal after scandal - Mid Staffs where thousands died unnecessarily, hospitals where there were gagging orders in place while patients died of dehydration. Hospital meals with portions that wouldn't feed a gerbil. Organised sex abuse scandals that went on for 16 years and where authorities and councillors did not stop it.

That is why people want change. People have had enough. We are run by clowns, play acting, patting themselves on the back and awarding themselves six figure salaries in our public bodies as a reward for serving their parties. It's time they started serving the people who pay for the entire shower of non-entities and incompetents.

Open up politics, break down the walls, give power to the peope with direct democracy, let people decide, not this self-serving class of sucker-ups with their PPEs.

No more wars based on lies, no more people sent unnecessarily to die.

Fix this country, give it back, back to the people.

"All in all, it's how the class system works."

Maybe so. Either way, the political battles of the future seem at least as likely to be fought first in the Oxford quads where PPE is taught as the playing fields of Eton."

Break this crappy class system that elevates non-entities, incompetents and lackeys who serve corporations and not people. Liberate the country, liberate the people, bring back direct democracy.

Make the people sovereign, let us decide, watch what the people of Clacton decide.