Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

rf241, I said that all academic courses are good and PPE is no exception and I said it is not the fault of PPEs, they are ordinary people who at the age of 18 study that course. What is wrong is how the Establishment pick from them and elevate them.

I disagree with PPE Nick Cohen who thinks that the course is wrong and that the PPEs' thinking is formed by a 3 year course at University

"Above all, the flightiness of PPE encourages puppeteer politicians, who stand above their society pulling the strings, rather than men and women who represent solid interests within it."

I don't think they are "puppeteers", to me they seem more like "puppets" of the Establishment, of the system, and that is what is wrong, not the course.

I want politicians who represent the people, not the system.

By definition, PPEs who are UKIP represent the people and not the system.

'Heavy hints that another MP may be lined up for tomorrow when Cameron makes his speech.'

OMG

Isn't there another Tory MP rumoured to defect who is standing down in 2015, anyway?

I wonder how much that would be worth to his retirement plan???

'Isn't there another Tory MP rumoured to defect who is standing down in 2015, anyway? '

Only one?

Ah ok then Claig .... Makes no sense at all but that's ukip and their supporters!

I watched Reckless speak against bombing in yesterday's debate so wouldn't be surprised if he voted against the Govt.
I wish him well as I wish anyone who stands up for what they believe in.

Better increase the drugs Isitmebut. Some of your MPs are coming out of their stupor.

Here is Breitbart's prediction of Tory MPs who might defect.
They had Reckless as a 7/10, but they have two MPs as a 9/10.

cdn.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/28/After-Carswell-Defects-To-UKIP-Which-Tory-MPs-Might-Follow-Him

Whats the odds on the next defection being Dodgy Dave himself. It would be a safer option for him to ask for Ukip protection than to stay and be bombed by his own party

seems that Reckless has longstanding anti EU voting record so good for him. I don't underestimate what a struggle he must have had before making this decision.

In the words of my favourite rock band

WHO'S NEXT

WetAugust .... Re Tory MP's, there is the economy they passed over in 1997, what they got back in 2010, and what they have done in one parliament IN A COALITION forced on them by Ukip votes, Tory MP's can stand by THAT political record any day.

Joining a party who knew they could not deliver the ONE EU policy they had for 20-years, and now offer (unaffordable) tax cut sweeties like a pedo at a fun fair, must say more about his character.

Trying to justify Reckless as leaving for ideological reasons is a joke, as was Carswell for whatever pathetic reason was given at the time e.g. he wants to leave the EU and thinks Ukip can do it. Guffaw.

All that Reckless excuse does, is part explains Farage's opposition to what the other parties agree (his default position for votes), as well as wanting to gain political capital everytime negative news from the bombing appears, domestic, or in the Gulf.

But thats how Farage opportunistically rolls, a political chameleon you lot called politically principled, nay 'different'. Joker.

Are you speaking about the same man - Nigel Farage, Britain's most popular politician, except among the metropolitan elite?

I don't recognise the picture that you paint.

Ha ha ha ..... Wet our last posts 'crossed' on the 'interweb', now you say AGAIN that Reckless has left the only party to offer a UK Referendum, to join a party that STOPs the referendum and ensures we will stay in for another 5-10 years AT LEAST, if Labour gets to load up the electoral boundaries even further after 2015.

ISitme but. As Sybil Fawlty would say " Oooh! I Know!" How sad, how awful that Dodgy DAve is prepared to let the UK be screwed rotten again by those dreadful Labour spendthrifts rather than give the people of the UK a credible alternative.

The operative word there Isitmebut is CREDIBLE.

Claig ... yes that Farage, nearly as popular as that little Austrian with a small hairy caterpillar on his top lip who also gave false hope to 'the people' in bad economic times - and how did that work out economically, got a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.

What do you think attracts them, the EU promise they can't deliver, or the tax cuts to increase the deficits, or the constant Ukip propaganda against the main party's with nothing to offer themselves?

If there was a political Trades Description Act, Ukip would have been closed down by now.

You know, at some point in the past the Tories and Whigs probably sat around Westminster smoking a pipe and discussing what a disgraceful bunch of charlatans this new fangled Labour Party was and how it would never become popular.

In the words of Bachman Turner Overdrive

"You ain't seen nothing yet"

Oh and stop comparing them to the Nazis, Hitler and the Third Reich. That's just pathetic

Oh heck Isitmebut - playing the Hittler card!!

By Godwins Law you've now lost the whole argument. How did all your facts and details amount to this??

According to Twitter Brooks Newmark Tiry MP has just quit as a minister

And on the eve of conference too. Oh dear

I was going to get some fish and chips before Strictly but I think Ill stay in and continue to watch the Tory meltdown

Tia hilarious when they play the Hitler card. Mind you Nigel is married to a German. That's more than Hitler was

Wet August ..... all Ukip has done for years is be negative make false accusations against the main political parties with ONE policy you could not deliver....the situation in Europe now is very much like 1930's, and I'm not alone in that.

”From Glasgow to Barcelona, historian DOMINIC SANDBROOK fears Europe is returning to the crude nationalism that caused such misery”

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2763047/From-Glasgow-Barcelona-historian-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-fears-Europe-returning-crude-nationalism-caused-misery.html

“As we have seen throughout history, from Germany and Italy in the 1930s to the war-torn Yugoslavia in the 1990s, nationalism thrives as a panacea, offering glib solutions and easy scapegoats. But it also offers an immensely compelling appeal to people who feel stranded by economic change and abandoned by their privileged political masters.”

In that sense, strange as it may sound, it is obvious why so many Scottish voters fell for the vision propounded by the demagogues, cranks and zealots so prominent in the separatist campaign.

”They believed that Mr Salmond offered them something better: a magic wand that would transform their fortunes overnight”

Those sentiments are not going to vanish overnight.

In many ways, they are the mirror image of the alienation felt by millions of voters in England.

”And in that respect, the rise of Scottish nationalism is not so different from the extraordinary surge in Ukip support south of the border, where Nigel Farage — another cheeky chap peddling simple solutions — plays the part of Mr Salmond.”

If UKIP were a proper political party with real policies, rather than making the Lib Dems tuition fee promise look lightweight. I might be wrong, but the signs are the same.

"David Cameron has accepted the resignation of Brooks Newmark, Conservative MP for Braintree and Minister for Civil Society.

His resignation comes ahead of a story due to be published in tomorrow's Sunday Mirror concerning his private life.

Sky's Political Correspondent Anushka Asthana says the details of the story have not been made public, but it is believed to involve social media."

news.sky.com/story/1343384/conservative-mp-brooks-newmark-resigns

Claig. It's not another defection. In the words of NZareth, a vintage rick combo m'lud "I'm a bad, bad, boy"

Isitmebut

Have you ever thought of taking some PPE advice and reduce your posts to sound bites. you know, like Dodgy Dave does

Newsflash. Tory conference now starting this evening while they still have some MPs left

Isitmebut

You can have the last laugh on election time but for now in to quote the Beach Boys - Well have fun, fun tfun til Nigel rakes your MP away.

fish and chips beckon

WetAugust … no I have never thought of reducing my answers to 2-3 times as many Ukip posts attacking the ‘Westminster elite’ (not a soundbite?) etc ….to make up for the lack of Ukip substance.

Generally speaking the soundbites against UK politics is not just shallow, its rather pathetic, as usually without substance, but believed without question. Accusations that the Conservatives only exist for the rich or are bad for the economy, the core policy that everything else depends on e,g, sustainable social services, is factually incorrect, so why do people say it based on Labour’s record?

Anyhoo, Ukip are the last party to give any other party/politician any credit, U-kippers like you spend their lives on social media breeding political and social resentment with soundbites, if you wish to CHEER people up, I’d post daily ‘positive’ economic data, falling unemployment figures, the policies that gave us a recovery for some reason you say aren’t there.

But wheres the fun in that, I’d rather take the P ons S out of Ukip’s propaganda. lol

Isitmebut

I do think the Tories are very good on the economy. I also think they are not solely for the rich, but I do feel they are out of touch with their natural electorate which I describe as mainly anti EU, and also no fans of Lib or Lab.

Cameron is saying that he will not cede any further powers to Brussels but on a weekly basis he is ceding more and more and things like TTIP will cede even more. But he makes no attempts to stop that flow of power in one direction only. Which is exactly why Carswell and Reckless defected - because they hear Dave saying one thing while actively doing the opposite and Dave cannot hold a party together while he continues in this manner.

I had always hoped that the pro EU advocates, the Hesseltines, Clark, Britain etc would eventually fade away and the Tories would become the Eurosceptic party that their members want them to be. After all they have now been at war internally over this issue fir at least 30 years. The scenario I hoped for became a hopeless cause as Dave continued to bow to Brussels. Unfortunately the defection of the strongly anti EU MPS leaves the Tories as an even more pro EU party and therefore even less electable as people one realist that whatever Dave he cannot control the number of people from the EU coming to live in the UK.

He can spin all he likes that immigration is good for he UK ROTC and, to a oping, it has been. But that point has been exceeded and when people cannot get a GPs appointment within a fortnight or the hospital siting list is now 9 months for an urgent appointment, then something has hone seriously wrong.

It's time the Tories took a long hard look at their leader, who almost caused this country to split, who disrespects his Monarch and who has just led this country into yet another futile war. It's time the Tories offered an alternative. They got rid of Mrs T for much less.