Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

Oh well, Beeb has reduced UKIP conference coverage tomorrow and will be televising the Commons debate ( sorry, that should read rubber stamp) on us entering yet another war,

Still waiting for Chilcotts report about the last outing and we,recast it again already.

They just don't understand that you cannot bomb an ideology into submission, especially when the poison of Wahabbism continues to spread unchecked

They just don't understand that you cannot bomb an ideology into submission

I very much doubt any serious politician thinks that, but in this case it's not an either/or. Wars are generally started by extremists - totalitarians left, right or religious - sometimes there is no alternative but to forcefully stop them. It's beyond petty party politics.

'Come and Join the Clacton Battalion of Our People's Army' Declares Farage at 1000-Strong UKIP Rally

Douglas Carswell's campaign in Clacton reached fever pitch tonight. As if it wasn't enough that Britain's pollsters are already declaring that the Clacton by-election on October 9th, David Cameron's birthday, will be a UKIP landslide, tonight over 1000 people turned up to rally in support of Carswell, and hear UKIP leader Nigel Farage speak.

The venue was so oversubscribed that cars were double parked outside the sprawling Clacton Coastal Academy, and the venue had to open a spill over room to accommodate over 1000 local residents who took time out of their Wednesday nights to listen to the tubthumping speeches slamming Britain's political classes."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/24/Farage-and-clacton-in-1000-people-rally

Blimey, I wish I had been there

"Most political parties are the same, he said. "They are run by MPs who became MPs by working in MPs offices!" he declared. The crowd was already more than warmed up, and audience members felt inspired to literally shout out their concerns and comments during Mr Carswell's speech."

And yet the metropolitan elite say that the people are apathetic

"The Carswell turned his fire to Times columnist and former Tory MP Matthew Parris, who wrote a hateful screed about Clacton upon a recent visit. Parris insisted that parts of the country like this should be left behind. Carswell noted of him: "He's not just a [Tory] party cheerleader... he chairs their selection meetings". The audience hissed.

"Let me tell you something Matthew: Clacton is as much a part of Britain today as the street you live in! If Clacton has problems it is because of the chumocracy in Westminster of which you are a part!"

Carswell is getting into the swing of things at UKIP

"And then of course came Nigel Farage. But not before an elderly lady stopped him outside to say: "I told my husband you would be late 'coz you'd be down the pub!" A line Farage went on to put into his speech, moments later."

The people love Farage's style

"he [Farage] managed to create a buzz about himself that was new even for him.

The audience cheered, wolf-whistled, yelped and gave standing ovations throughout. And Farage littered his speech with rib ticklers too."

Farage on top form

"He bashed the local wind farms as "disgusting, ugly, pointless and useless," and noted how they "don't work" and he ended with a statement about the emperor having no clothes, but before he even got to the end of his sentence the crowd had joined in an were chanting the play title along with him.

He concluded, "Come and join the Clacton battalion of our People's Army... are you with us?"

A raucous, "YESSSSSS!!!!" burst from the crowd, most of whom had admitted they were not UKIP members in a show of hands moments earlier.

As we all left, Farage and Carswell were both mobbed by well wishers buying party memberships, taking home yard and window signs, and one man I noticed hobble by, nodding in approval, carrying a UKIP sign in one hand and his breathing apparatus in the other.

The broad audience of young people, middle-aged folks, the elderly and even the disabled turned out for UKIP tonight. I wondered to myself when that happened last for the Conservatives, Labour, or the Liberal Democrats."

There is sheer panic in the air among elite circles

Even the Financial Times sent a reporter down to Clacton to witness the meeting and report back.

“I thought it was absolutely invigorating,” said Madeleine Bray, 62. “It was so nice to hear publicly exactly what we are all thinking."

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/11bf9abc-449e-11e4-bce8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EGccJFOi

Will the Tories even get a single vote? - Heaven knows they don't deserve to. This could go down in the annals of history as the biggest landslide in British political history

Other people vote Green, which is a hopeless cause electorally unless you live in Brighton.
To be fair they are a hopeless cause if you do live in Brighton. I don't know anybody who can't wait to see the back of them. If they get voted in again it will be because of the students who don't really care if the place is falling down around them and the rubbish is piling up in the streets.

I was being generous about the Greens Pixie

AT LAST!

David Davies on Radio 5 saying we shouldn't bomb Iraq. When is this voice of common sense going to oust Dave. He's about the only Tory that I could bring myself to vote for.
He makes Dave, Gideon, Boris etc look like a bunch of clowns

UKIP is about to announce its tax policies. Sheer panic hits lite circles, puppts and PPEs.

"Tax challenge to Tories as Ukip vows to cut 40p rate: Party proposes 35p rate on earnings between £42,000 and £55,000
Ukip arguing many middle-class families are being unfairly squeezed
Will also float idea of 'turnover tax' to cut down on large-scale tax avoidance
Party says £2.5billion a year cost should be met by cutting foreign aid
Will back Lib Dem policy to raise starting rate for income tax to £12,500"

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The Eurosceptic party is proposing a new 35p rate to be levied on earnings between £42,000 and £55,000, arguing many middle-class families on such incomes are being unfairly squeezed.

It will also float the idea of a ‘turnover tax’ – a minimum percentage of companies’ annual turnover that has to be paid to the Treasury – to crack down on large-scale tax avoidance.

Ukip says the £2.5 billion a year cost of a new 35p income tax rate should also be met by cutting the foreign aid budget, ending contributions to Brussels by exiting the EU, slashing funding to Scotland and scrapping the new high speed rail line HS2.

It will also back a Liberal Democrat policy to increase the starting rate for income tax further to £12,500, bringing it broadly in line with the minimum wage."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770186/Tax-challenge-Tories-Ukip-vows-cut-40p-rate-Party-proposes-35p-rate-earnings-42-000-55-000.html

Interesting Claig

I found myself in total agreement with George Galloway on This Week. I never thought that would ever happen

There is a very interesting graph on a Twitter about growth and which element of society has benefitted from growth over the years. I can't do links

Justin Wolfers is the person who is tweeting about it. It shows an absolutely scary rise in benefits to the elite

Yes, Galloway made good points.

Has the growth mainly benefitted the top echelons?

Yep. Big time

No wonder they Beeb are not covering Nigel's speech. I have missed most of it while listening to the HoC debate but he has come out very firmly against bombing Iraq. He's asking what we don't tackle the radicalisation that is currently happening in our prisons
Dynamite
Just makes me realise how inconsequential Westminster is.

He's now talking about tuition fees and the fact they are free in Scotkand and English students pay and that he has to address e unfairness. English votes for English laws

He thinks open door immigration will be the issue that dominates the next GE as we are borderless. Britain, You candy control your borders and be a member of the E U he says immigration will suffer from wage compression and unemployment leading to decreases in service provision. we must control our own immigration policy.

Where can we listen to the UKIP conference?

Farage has got 30 minute speech tomorrow, so the media can't block him out.
Yes, Farage was on Radio 4 Today's programme this morning and said he was against the bombing.

He thinks Nick Clegg gave UKIP a great boost by debating with him. Establishment in this country had failed is badly. Vote UKIP you get UKIP.

It's not as barn storming a speech as I thought it would be but I've missed a good half an hour. He's talking with the occasional reference to notes

Standing ovation

Commentator says most of the speech ws aimed at Labour naff Northern Labour voters

I'm on bbc news 24

Thanks

Coverage has finished. It's channel 130

BBC parliament channel 131 freeview are showing he entire Farage speech at 17 . 15 after the House of Commons Iraq debate

SNP are voting against bombing and so are a lot of Labour,

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, was on Radio 4's Today programme and she said that UKIP definitely have their tanks on her lawn and are tearing it up. She has told the Labour luvvies that UKIP are a threat right from the Midlands up.

These Labour luvvies are so out of touch with ordinary people - with ther politicaly correct right-on preaching - that they might lose some of their fiefdoms where thy have taken voters for granted.

UKIP is the biggest shakeup in British politics ever - finally there is a party for the people.

Neither party have got any people that ordinary people can relate to.
There is sheer panic in the air.

'BBC parliament channel 131 freeview are showing he entire Farage speech at 17 . 15 after the House of Commons Iraq debate'

Excellent

You do know that the H o C debate will over run so they have no time to show Farages speech don't you.

Yes, I want Isis sorted out, but bombing won't do it and this talk of years to sort out DJ jihadists and funded terrorists doesn't seem right. I am not sure it is really serious and is possibly a way of slowly moving to attack Assad instead, since Isis were funded by rich Sunni backers in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc anyway.

If it was serious then the Saudis and Turks and countries that were funding them should send ground troops in. They aren't a real army and if we finally backed Assad, he could sort all the funded terrorists out. So it doesn't seem serious.

'You do know that the H o C debate will over run so they have no time to show Farages speech don't you.'

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised.

One of the Tory MPs tipped to defect has just sId he won't support the bombing vote.

If any are thinking if defecting this sill be the weekend to do it at the conference.

I cannot believe the sheer bovine mentality of some of these MPs all saying they no that bombing is not a solution but they'll vote for it anyway, give it a go, see if it achieves anything..... It's disgusting

I actually find myself on the same side as Galloway, Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbin, Denis Skinner. People I never thought I had a single thing in common with when I voted mrs t into power back then.