Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

Labour don't scare me. I have no accommodation costs, a nice 100% gold plated pension and a garden that, if the worse came to the worse! I could grow my own veg . I have a camping stove and a box of candles left over from the Heath Govt 4 day week and a bicycle for getting around. Luckily my house doesn't even put me in the Mansion Tax bracket. I will get excellent Health Care as Labour is red hot on the NHS isn't it . And Ed gives me a really good laugh from time to time when he's on Newsnight. What's not to like?

UKIP will be my consolation prize.

Claig. It seems that under the Mansion Tax there will only be one qualifying house over 2 million in Wales according to one of Julia Hartley-Brewers twitters

Have you watched the Paddy Power video yet starring Nige?

I somehow think that the 'elite circles' are unlikely to be too panicked by Nigel's hypothetical cuts on eating out.

I missed where Nige said how he'd pay for these cheaper pub lunches. Or does 'tax parity' mean that there would be more tax on food bought in shops?

'Have you watched the Paddy Power video yet starring Nige?'

Haven't seen it, but the Daily Politics will be talking about shortly.

'It seems that under the Mansion Tax there will only be one qualifying house over 2 million in Wales according to one of Julia Hartley-Brewers twitters'

Yes, and it seems that Scotland might be exempt. That will go down well in England for Labour.

Claig .... is JD Wetherspoon setting Ukip's fairyland manifesto, to be ditched soon after it's birthday, like the 2010 one??

Wetherspoon will always see sales growth, they offer value, but the economy is far larger than the hospitality industry, and if we don't reduce debt via the current VAT rate WE PAY MORE INTEREST/TAXES some time later.

The Coalition has both stopped increasing businesses costs of Labour, and reduced business costs quite a lot since 2010, the 2 million private sector job growth if proof of that.

WetAugust .... 'out of touch' or 'I'm all right Nig' and screwing the masses, and you have the national front to criticise 'the elite'. lol

Isitmebut, reducing taxes for the people increases business activity, gets people to spend more and frequent town centres more and increases the feel-good factor which leads to optimism and economic recovery.

Cutting VAT for the hospitality industry will increase public spending on hospitality and that will keep businesses going and employment high in the hospitality industry. It will also mean that the luvvies can no longer waste people's money on windfarms and their politically correct advertising spend to lecture the public on how much alcohol they should drink or how many eggs they should eat for breakfast.

Give power to the people, stop taxing people and industry, let people decide how to spend their money rather than letting luvvies waste it on expenses and climate change hot air.

Farage and Ukip on The Daily Politics, promoting a betting company, and whinging about parliament being recalled as 'a plot', pathetic.

So we'll have our economic policy set by the pub industry Farage supports daily *hic, and promote betting companies to please your main backer/Treasurer. Marvellous.

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism, being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

Re the Great UKIP Conference plot, ha ha ha so Cameron timed a United Nations Assembly, then a parliamentary vote days after - JUST to 'upstage' a political party without ONE MP - as I say, in Disneyland, getting more Mickey Mouse by the month.

I don't think the polls really reflect the public mood

Supporters of parties/causes often believe the polls are wrong, most recently in Scotland where the SNP were convinced Yes was going to win comfortably. But when the votes are counted the polls are almost invariably proved right.

Labour's core supporters represent around 30%-35% of the electorate. If Labour can get its core support out and UKIP split the right wing vote (which is what the polls indicate) Miliband will be PM. That is what Miliband is banking on. That's why the Labour conference this year was designed to appeal to their core vote rather than the country as a whole.

For your scenario (Conservatives in power, UKIP with loads of votes) UKIP need to massively eat into Labour's core vote. The party has shown little sign of being able to do that. As UKIP is a party of the extreme right this is not entirely surprising.

'Re the Great UKIP Conference plot, ha ha ha so Cameron timed a United Nations Assembly, then a parliamentary vote days after - JUST to 'upstage' a political party without ONE MP'

You have to remember that they are absolutely terrified of the People's Army

Claig . if I thought you, or Ukip could get past silly little populist 'power to the people' policies and talk UK economics as a party that might be in government, I'd indulge you.

How different you are to the 'Westminster elite' who under Labour saw THREE betting shops plus growth in every town, extra opening hours to become 'a European cafe culture' and a declassification of drugs... happy daze, and you can see them clearing up the vomit every Saturday and Sunday morning, from the streets near that 'hospitality' industry.

Oh and of course, all that worked out quite well for the NHS and taxpayer, pumping their stomachs out and treatment for long term 'hospitality' abuse.

And you call yourselves 'different' and 'in touch'? lol

Claig ... "You have to remember that they are absolutely terrified of the People's Army".

Grow up, politicians can't be terrified of a political wanabee party who cannot debate/compare policies in the real world, they are terrified Ukip are Fostering' (lol) the same political shit stirring without solutions, as seen in Italy and Germany in the 1930's - and so am I.

Any electoral coalition with Ukip with those 1930's aims, and what came after, would lose more Conservatives votes than u are worth.

Grow up, politicians can't be terrified of a political wanabee party who cannot debate/compare policies in the real world'

Then why did Michael Crick of annel 4 News write

"Far more interesting, in my view, is the Lancashire constituency of Heywood and Middleton, whose MP Jim Dobbin died a fortnight ago. It looks ripe for plucking by Ukip.

Local Labour sources certainly think so. ”Shadow cabinet members are sh themselves about losing,” one Labour figure has told me.

...

All of your 1930s Project Fear 2 style talk just shows how terrified, desperate and disingenuous you are about the People's Army

time to get A Very British Coup DVD dusted off methinks.

The Nige Paddy Power vid is much longer than the version shown on the daily politics.

You calling me elite cos I've got a push bike and a Capone stove Isitmebut

Some of these columnists are actually talking up UKIP. I wonder why? Murdochs chance to exact some revenge?

History guided me, and apparently historians agree, the combination of bad economic times, and nationalist right wing party's actively causing political unrest with little of substance to offer themselves - if a toxic combination, and in the 1930's they didn't have the internet continually bombarding them with their propaganda WITHIN their own homes.
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2763047/From-Glasgow-Barcelona-historian-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-fears-Europe-returning-crude-nationalism-caused-misery.html

....'IS a toxic combination.' D'oh.

First they tried to say it was racist, then they tried to say it was extreme right wing........

you guys really are out of touch with mainstream public opinion.

By the way, leading the UK into yet ANOTHER war, as your party leader is planning to do tomorrow is pretty right wing in my view. But I. Doubt if you've ever stood back and considered that as you scan the internet for columnists to support your very narrow outdated views.

"you guys really are out of touch with mainstream opinion"

Yeah, and I hear an angry Austrian, with nationalist views and a little hairy caterpillar on his top lip, used to say something similar.

As I've said countless times, if Ukip hadn't obtained votes projecting that THEY could bring the UK out of the EU, or had alternative policies, rather than Ukip MEP's attacking sitting MP's, pretending they are somewhat more capable because didn't go to Eaton and/or get a PPE - 'mainstream opinion' might have a point, but just a few spare grey cells can work out, they aint.

You forgot sexist. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

You must have a really good imagine because I cannot imagine --Adolf making jokey videos for Paddy Power

If you believe in democracy you must allow people to vote for whomsoever they wish to as long as that party is not proscribed and their policies are legal.

According to some there are only ever 4 parties, Lib Con Lab and of course the sainted but misguided Greens. All other parties are taboo.

well politics is like everything else, it changes. parties emerge and parties decline. that's a healthy democracy. And if Lab and Con had not decided to fight each over of the middle ground and had started to offer some real opposition to the sitting govt we would have no need for additional parties to present alternative views to same old crap that is regurgitated from the big 3

Eton doesn't have an a in it. Dave could have told you that

I'm Comprehensive School edu-ma-cated and I was talking about Eaton, our local Poly lol.

Adolf never had the internet to prance about on, not a lot of people know this, but apparently he was the life and soul man of any gathering. Hmmm.

A bit like Boris the Buffoon then?

Easy slip up Eaton / Eton.

Dissing Boris, careful tiger, UKIP's rich backer Mr Wheeler (or 'Stu' to his Tory friends) , if can't get BoJo, may one day JOIN him.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738810/I-rejoin-Tories-Boris-leader-says-mastermind-plotted-coup-castle.html

Boris as leader would be just as good a comic act as Ed would.

I'm starting to like these new politics. It's win -win fun.

Of course parties come and go - remember the Social Democrats? And time was we just had Whigs and Tories.

UKIP may cause some reshaping - I sort of hope they peel off some of the right wing and then the Conservatives regroup in a more central position. I suspect that there are a lot of quiet ordinary people who'd be happy with that. And UKIP might figure (for a while) in whatever English-only body comes into play. (I could imagine Boris might be a natural leader for that BTW.)