Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

'Ukip just TALK about them, they (as you prove on here) have NOTHING'

But there is one thing they have that you are missing - they have the people, as Clacton will show.

The people are rarely wrong.

Claig .... in the hardships of 1930's in fascist Italy or goose-stepping Germany, they had "people" voting for their 'alternative' policies- how did that work out?

The 'people' here wanting investment bank in the City after 2007, previously bringing in over £60 bil a year in taxes, to leave the UK with a £157 bil annual deficit but DON'T WANT SPENDING CUTS, were they, in their ignorance, right???

If Ukip COULD bring the UK out of the EU, or if Ukip HAD different ideas, you WOULD be a political alternative - but you have NOTHING other than propaganda against the established party's.

Re Clacton, UKIP have had to BUY their first Westminster seat, with whatever it took to persuade a sitting Conservative, who's party and his individual constituency work has done a better job for those in Clacton than the previous government.

Ha ha ha where do you see any Ukip achievements in there?

'The 'people' here wanting investment bank in the City after 2007, previously bringing in over £60 bil a year in taxes, to leave the UK with a £157 bil annual deficit but DON'T WANT SPENDING CUTS, were they, in their ignorance, right???'

The people didn't want the banks to leave, they just wanted them effectively regulated to put an end to casino capitalism that relied on the people to bail them out if they messed things up with their reckless risk-taking. It was some of the banks who said they would leave if they didn't get their way and weren't allowed to carry on making hay while the public were forced to pay.

'but you have NOTHING other than propaganda against the established party's'

Since when have facts become propaganda? Would Douglas Carswell, esteemed parliamentarian and deep thinker, have been swayed by propaganda? In fact wasn't it propaganda from his own side that forced the man of principle to finally say enough is enough, I'm joining the people, I'm joining UKIP?

'Ha ha ha where do you see any Ukip achievements in there?'

The cosy clique aren't laughing at UKIP's achievements, they are in panic as the Clacton byelection date begins to loom and the polls consistently forecast doom.

May I remind you of what Carswell finally discovered and said after years of deep thought, and what we all knew years ago and which he could have found out if he had simply asked any of us years ago

"many of those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not on our side"

You say Carswell has joined the "dark side", but you are wrong because he has finally joined the people's side, he is now on our side, Clacton is only the start of one hell of a ride.

We know what will happen in the Clacton campaign.

The Bullingdon Club will make a few phone calls and speak to a few chums and a raggle-taggle gang of revolutionary socialists and socialist workers will be kitted out with shiny new banners and placards and will be chauffeured into Clacton to try and sway the Essex locals.

They will be chanting against Farage, UKIP and the people. The BBC will be on hand to give maximum exposure to the revolutionary socialists and will probably make the incompetent mistake of filming the leader of the revolutionary socialists greeting a senior Bullingdonian with the age-old cry of "Buller, Buller, Buller", which is how fellow Bullingdon members apparently greet each other.

But none of it will work, they can't get up early enough in the morning to fool the people of Clacton. The people know their game, it's always been the same, on the people try and pin the blame.

May I also remind you that Carswell also said that as a Europhile, Cameron had given him everything he wanted - tell me anyone who leaves one 'job' for a (self) promotion elsewhere, doesn't have a dig at those they leave?

The Conservatives in 1997 passed over the fastest growing economy in Europe, they did NOT decide to increase NON EU immigration for 'diversity', they did not see 2.5 million new citizens and forget to build enough homes, they did not leave 5 million needing social homes, they did not cause the financial crash or the over spend severity here due to fat inefficient government grown since 1997, they did NOT screw up private pensions or give derisory State pensions in times of plenty - shall I go on?????

And as Labour mentioned there would be tax rises AFTER the general election, clearly to help with 'the cost of living crisis' on top of raises in National Insurance and Fuel Duty they budgeted for to come in after the election - what financial state would the State and the 'people' be in now if the Conservative led coalition, not have come in?

So was Labour, 'the party of the people', so 'in touch' with the people as you say Ukip is?

Carswell has joined the Ukip political policy alternative 'Lite Side', which must mean he has moved to a big cog, in a little political party wheel.

So Carswell can say what he wants about the Conservative Party, the FACTS on the alternative Labour Party (that Ukip will allow in) speak for themselves.

Wake up for gods sake, or tell me WHERE I am wrong in anything I have said above.

Claig ....once again with 'the Bullingdon Club' as you or any other desperate party have nothing of substance.

How many times do I have to remind you that NO ONE in the Bullingdon Club got the country in the mess, but they certainly are getting us out with their policies the rest of Europe currently need.

One day 'the people' will work out that it is big fat expensive state, with ever higher taxes giving people less choices how their money is spent, also driving businesses/jobs into the ground, is their 'enemey' - not people with the education and proven ideology to get this country out of the shitter, after Labour has had their turn.

'So was Labour, 'the party of the people', so 'in touch' with the people as you say Ukip is?'

Of course it wasn't. Blair and the PPEs are the same as all the rest. But the people then had no other choice. You see it is not just about money. The people in 1997 had had enough of the arrogance and sleaze of the Tories, and I voted Blair in just like millions of other Tories who had had enough of sleaze and arrogance and condescension towards ordinary people. In those days, there was no alternative - just Labour, so that is what we voted.

But now there is a real people's party and there aren't many or even any PPEs in it. The people have had enough once again, just like in 1997. But this time they don't need to vote for the PPEs, this time they will vote for the party of the people, for UKIP.

'tell me WHERE I am wrong in anything I have said above'

Time is limited. There are only 24 hours in a day and it would take more than that to make you see the error of your way.

UKIP is the start of change. It doesn't matter which PPE benefits in the short term, this is about the people wanting change for the long term. People have had enough, just like in 1997, and Clacton will show how it when they overturn a Tory safe seat with a large majority.

The people will have spoken, the PPEs won't listen, but a brighter future will glisten.

Claig … re your pathetic class obsession with bright people with or without PPEs and the Ukip “real people’s party” …..run by a rich sexist businessman who threw a hissy fit at the Conservatives as the y didn’t do what he said, with an ex highly paid City commodity speculator party leader, who has failed to be elected as an MP several times, dumps policies quicker than several pints washing down bad curry – please EXPLAIN how Ukip is different to the BENEFIT of society, with so many problems and no money to fix them NOW??

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism,being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

“UKIP Treasurer Stuart Wheeler's comment 'was sexist'”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23717804

GIVE the people solutions, not worthless soundbites on behalf of dodgy people who crave power in Westminster over the future of the UK, and I might vote for you.

Re Clacton, if the people still want to give the "effing" Tories a kicking, I would rather everyone voted Labour than give you muppets your first seat : THAT is how much respect I'd give any failed bunch of political wannabes obtaining votes on EU promises, or any other, they KNOW they cannot deliver.

're your pathetic class obsession with bright people with or without PPEs'

Farage left school at 18 and is brighter than the whole lot of them, so it is not about class and brightness, it is about competence.

'GIVE the people solutions, not worthless soundbites on behalf of dodgy people who crave power in Westminster over the future of the UK, and I might vote for you.'

Let the people decide what is worth something and what is not. That is democracy. If you are out of tune with the people of Clacton in supporting the Bullingdon boys and the PPEs, that is democracy too, but don't deny the people their voice and their choice.

'I would rather everyone voted Labour than give you muppets your first seat'

The Bullingdon Club is praying for the same thing, but it won't happen. They can't get up early enough in the morning to fool the people of Clacton.

Matthew Parris went to Clacton to have a look around and assess the PPEs' chances and saw what is the Tories' worst nightmare. He said they should turn their back on Clacton. He knows they don't stand a cat in hell's chance. He turned his back and got on the train outta there and back to where the metroplitan elite hang out.

How ironic Isitmebut

You'd rather have Labour than UKIP and we'd rather have Labour by default than vote for a load of Tory lies

Seems we're pretty much agreed on something

WetAugust .. let me clarify; I'd rather have a Labour MP in Clacton than have Ukip buy a Westminster seat, but rather than the Labour Party 'finishing' the job they started in 1997, I'd rather have the Monster Looney Party running the country.

Claig .... again with the class shit, rather than substance of policies and record in power.

One day, maybe one day, you will be able to definitively tell us why we should vote for a merry band of non experienced political Ukip wannabes with 'liquid' policies, rather than why in your narrow class phobic mind, we shouldn't vote for those with records of running a country, good and bad.

'One day, maybe one day, you will be able to definitively tell us why we should vote for a merry band of non experienced political Ukip wannabes'

Because they are on our side.

May I remind you of what esteemed parliamentarian Douglas Carswell said and what the people of Clacton have known only too well for ages

"many of those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not on our side"

Isitmebut I feel as if I have abandoned you to the sharks. Well
Done! I just got too sick of the drivel being posted by the prominent posters on here...

Claig ..... you can remind me AGAIN of what Mr Carswell said with his what in 2010, an 11,000 majority, but I fully answered that today (above) at 11.08.20 a.m..... please sharpen up.

But let me remind YOU again, it is a cast iron guarantee that policy less UKIP is a wasted vote as either the pro EU Labour or EU Referendum majority Conservative Party will form the next administration in 2015, so the people need to work out which one they want and vote directly - not find they have Labour because they voted for Ukip.

Something Mr Carswell is well aware off right up to thanking Cameron publicly for giving HIM all he asked for, so people in Clacton need to ask themselves what were his motives for jumping after a Mayfair meeting with your Treasurer, Stuart Wheeler.

Was this 'the backroom politics' U-kippers say is so fishy and Ukip is different?

rf241 ... no worries, we need to encourage the 'Kippers to 'show us the (policy) money', as getting votes for lies is the lowest form or electioneering in my book. Conviction politics whatever they are that can be debated, not personal or other snipes at other parties to pretend that they are not only better - but they have answers to run a heavily indebted country with a fragile economy BEFORE a UK.Scotland split.

Re Clacton & Carswell 'policy money' - what are the LOCAL issues Ukip are focusing on to show they have anything ‘different’?

As far as I can see, ex Conservative Mr Carswell is focusing on the shortage of GP’s and housing issues and blames Conservative central government.

Ex Conservative Mr Carswell appears to have forgotten that his ex party was only main political party faced with addressing the (then) £157 billion government annual over spend, that guaranteed in the 2010 General Election to RING FENCE NHS spending.

Ex Conservative Mr Carswell appears to have forgotten that his ex party fired tens of thousands administrator ‘fat’, put on by Hospital Trusts under the previous government, and increased doctors and nurses in the thousands.

New Ukip Mr Carswell for some ‘touchie feelie’ reason, has failed to acknowledge that the UK through immigration and high birth rates, the UK population has risen around 6 million and together with an aging population etc – so GP’s nationally are facing around 40 million MORE requests for appointments than in 2009.

So no wonder there is a GP ‘shortgage’, but think how bad IT COULD HAVE BEEN, if the party Carswell left, hadn’t have ring fenced NHS spending.

Finally regarding Ukip Carswell’s Local Housing policy;

Ex Conservative Mr Carswell, please correct me if I’m wrong, is a NIMBY, as he doesn’t want to be told the country is in desperate need of over 1 million new homes and his ex party is wrong to try and force local authorities, many of whom have procrastinated since the mid 2000’s when the last government told all local authorities to get their planning acts together.

New home building will check home price rises, allow more home ownership aspirations within the area to be met, provide more properties to rent and jobs building them.

Clearly Mr Carswell can not bring himself to campaign on Ukips rag bag of domestic policies for the nation as a whole, so needs to campaign on similar populist issues within many constituencies, without the balancing FACTS of what his ex party were doing and why. How very brave of him.

A Bullingdon Club Member spills the beans about the Club.

Apparently being a Club member has nothing to do with future political position, it is more a sign of interest in politics. It is a coincidence that Bullingdonians are in high positions, they are just bright apparently.

"What is true is that modern politics is largely run not by Bullingdon members, but by a marginally broader group of public schoolboys and Oxbridge graduates.

And that’s not just the case with the Conservative Party. Nick Clegg went to Westminster School, Robinson College, Cambridge, and Minnesota University; Ed Miliband to Corpus Christi, Oxford, and the London School of Economics.

It says something for the elite nature of modern politics that even the maverick man of the people, Nigel Farage , went to private Dulwich College and worked in the City.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755772/The-REAL-secrets-Bullingdon-Club-boy-far-colourful-silly-new-film-suggests-says-club-member-HARRY-MOUNT.html

Good result from the Swedes Claig. Seems common sense us breaking out all over Europe

I'm currently reading The Political Animal by Jeremy Paxman. It has some very interesting analysis on the backgrounds of our Prime Ministers and an insight into what makes politicians tick. know thy enemy

Yes, the European people are going to swing to the right nearly everywhere, particularly when the EU drags all of Europe into recession and conflict with Russia over Ukraine and when they ask the European taxpayer to bail Ukraine out. All of the Bullingdon Club and the PPEs will be with Juncker and the EU and only Farage will be with the people.

What does Paxo say?

Paxo's book was written over a decade ago but still very relevant. Some of his conclusions are even more relevant these days. He notes the rise of the professional politician via Oxbridge PPE degree etc. Also the fact that some families churn out more MPs than most.
My own theory is that you need to be a risk taker. You need to have the sort of job or background whereby having your life thrown up in the air every five years is possible. So that's private funds or a profession that you can return to. I shall continue to read Paxo's book with interest.

Claig ….. So re Clacton, and your big chance to show what a policy lite UKIP on a NATIONAL level, can actually offers LOCAL voters something different to change their lives – and the best you have is a Bullingdon Club film, and apparently a bad one at that?? LOL

One day the UK electorate (like other countries) will mainly judge a politician by their record in and out of power, rather than their class, as a sign of ‘stuff’ to come.

WetAugust ….. So let me get this right, as UKIP has a rich Spread Betting backer/Treasurer calling the UKIP ideological shots, and a ex city ‘Big Bang’ (champagne swilling) commodity speculator UKIP Party Leader in Farage, we as a country need more RISK takers??

NEWSFLASH, the UK is STILL spending £97 billion a year more than we bring in to the Exchequer, a real government trying to get a country back to a balanced budget BEFORE trying to pay off the £1.4 trillion national debt, has to cover the NHS/welfare essentials as best they can, not fricking roll the dice and/or hope ‘something will turn up’ like Labour were in 2010.

Is that really the best a group of financial/political 'chancers' can offer Clacton, the UK?

Isitmebut, haven't you heard that UKIP are going to slash the foreign aid budget which te modernisers havering-fenced. UKIP wll spend that taxpayer money on the taxpayers.

UKIP are going to slash the quangos stuffed full of luvvies and save billions.
The luvvies won't like it, they'll start Project Fear 2, they'll try anything they can do, they know it's over, there will be a brighter future for the many, not just the few.

UKIP are going to cut the windmills they're going to cut the green crap, they're going to end the hardworking taxpayer subsidies to the aristocrats to erect windmills on their vast estates.

The luvvies won't like it, their rootop wind turbines may stop turning, but the peole of Clacton will be partying in the streets, doing the conga on Clacton Pier.

The people of Clacton can thus rejoice on UKIPs vision of their future. Hmm