Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

'Panicking Tory MPs plot to do deal with Ukip - and demand Farage is made Deputy PM
Jacob Rees-Mogg urges for 'peace deal' before the election next year'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746282/Panicking-Tory-MPs-plot-deal-Ukip-demand-Farage-Deputy-PM.html

I like Rees-Mogg. They should do a deal but I am not sure they will because Farage is everything that they are not, he is not a luvvie.

Cameron is the "heir to Blair" and Farage with his statement that "the EU has blood on its hands over Ukraine" is the opposite to all the luvvies and lackeys.

The luvvies would prefer Miliband in charge, another establishment PPE, rather than the people's choice, Farage.

Seems that Ed has said that passport control is under consideration on the border if god Scots vote Yes

LOL

I can't wait to see the televised debate with him during the election campaign. it will be hilarious.

Oh and MPs will get a 10% pay increase next year. Unbelievable.

they ( the Tories) still don't get it.

Have just read your j R-M link. LOL. The one about making Nige deputy PM and giving UKIP some mist reprisal role. Jacob. are you listening? It's not about ministerial posts or deputy PM posts at all and if you think that UKIP will be fobbed off with those sweeteners just to keep Dave in power you are incredibly sadly mistaken

UKIP is a scorched earth nightmare for Dave. It has it's son momentum. It doesn't care off power for powers sake it's dole objective is to get yo out if the EU. Not to negotiate with them but go exit. there is therefore no scope whatsoever for a pact with Ukip and if Nigel even suggested that to his members they sinks leave UKIP in drives.

Yes, the luvvies think that Farage will sell out and join them, but he is more likely to do a "reverse takeover" of them

"Buoyed by election success, Nigel Farage says 'reverse takeover' of Tory party is on cards"

www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/52837/ukips-success-will-force-pm-even-further-right

WetAugust I think UKIP would jump at ministerial roles given half the chance - in the highly unlikely event of them holding the balance of power. Of course they would! As opposed to what? Whingingon the sidelines?

Seems that Ed has said that passport control is under consideration on the border if god Scots vote Yes LOL

Well, yes, that's not a daft thing to mention actually! You potentially have an EU country bordering a non-EU country, as Scotland does not automatically have EU membership.

And if Scotland does eventually join (overcoming Spanish opposition), it has to decide whether to enter into the Schengen agreement. If it did, that would probably result in border controls as well.

"NEW YORK, United States - Breitbart London can exclusively reveal that UKIP leader Nigel Farage and News Corp Chief Rupert Murdoch met in private this week"

...

"The news of the meeting will likely send shock waves through Westminster's political and media elite, as Mr Murdoch usually saves such encounters for politicians that he plans to back ahead of a General Election."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/05/EXCLUSIVE-Farage-and-Murdoch-in-private-meeting-in-New-York-City

It is now getting unstoppable. Murdoch has seen the way the public are going. When the results in Clacton are announced, everything will change.

Poor old Matthew Parris. Essex will tip over the entire applecart.

Rf

yes I can imagine Ukip taking up ministerial posts AFTER a GE. what Rees-Mogg was proposing was ministerial posts now to stave off their GE appeal as a separate party. that's a non-starter

Salmond is convinced that Scotland will remain in the EU so the problem of border control shouldn't exist. Dis we ever have passport controlled borders with Ireland before we were both EU countries?

Jacob put the idea of a pact to his local UKIP branch earlier this year. Indeed I am unreliably informed that the chairman voted in favour, purely out of sympathy, as he had more than an inkling what the result would be. Let's just say that Jacob never mentions it when interviewed...

There are a few relatively vocal UKIP voices in favour of a pact, though they are all from either London or close to it. Outside the looney London bubble my experience is that Jacob's result would not be an outlier.

Only tories ever talk about it, which isn't surprising considering their predicament. Insanely they still seem to think that UKIP members are all ex tories who will come to heel as soon as they blow the whistle, or tug their forelocks when his lordship visits.

This very attitude explains why they are in terminal decline, all they have left to sell is their history and fear of labor. They have nothing to offer.

None of the key factors favoring UKIP are going to change in the next decade. The EU will still be a mess, the huggies and luvvies will still be out of touch and contemptuous, immigration will likely increase whilst those insulated ride their high and mighty hobby horses. Indeed you can probably add power cuts, failing public services and scandals, as frankly the political class don't appear to able to help themselves.

Given this environment UKIP chaining itself to the corpse of the Tory party would be madness.

UKIP cannot achieve its aims without winning a majority in the house of commons. The next general election is too soon though as we have been taking votes from labor for the last year and a half we can influence the result.

If it is a straight choice between Miliband and Cameron then the only logical choice for the electorate is to ensure that whoever wins the most seats is too weak to rule with contempt.

Richard Delingpole is reporting that Rotherham is merely the tip of the iceberg and that the first known case of organized rape of children was infact in 1989...

The prosecution involved two sikh fathers attempting to rescue their daughters. The fathers were prosecuted.

He also reports that money is the motivating factor, with each child worth hundreds of thousands of pounds to the traffickers. In over 200 prosecutions it is the organizers rather than the rapists themselves who are targeted by the police.

If true and correct this has massive implications. This isn't merely a labour party problem if it has happened on the watch of the entire liblabcon, but a conspiracy of silence on behalf of the entire political class. Twenty five years of unchecked abuse? Same patterns, same modus operandi. Across the country, even in leafy Tory shires.

'Looney London bubble' Lord.

There was an article today suggesting that London is entirely different from the rest of the UK, so much so that it's not even like the same country. Hmmm. I think that I actually AGREE with Spinflight - though I don't think it's London that's mad!

Dear, dear, me ….. the U-kipper delusions of political legitimacy and being ‘in touch’ with the people due one ‘leave EU’ policy promise they KNOW that they can’t deliver, and a general election manifesto never worth the paper it is printed on, is now beyond a joke – so rely on those who do not follow policies, or care, still using Ukip as a protest vote.

How ‘in touch’ is a Ukip financed and run by the very rich Stuart Wheeler, pulling the strings of ex city oil trader Farage, who recently said on the radio that MP’s should get a salary of £90-£100,000 but is so bereft of ‘new’ ideas of how to dig this country out of its continual debt crisis himself - wants to run a populist and expensive ‘Big State’ utopia, running an administration to try and please everyone (with an annual spending deficit still around £97 billion), without taking any political blame, via referendums.

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism,[1] being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

“UKIP Treasurer Stuart Wheeler's comment 'was sexist'”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23717804

And as the “terminal decline” of the only part capable of rescuing the UK after Labour screws it up, the Conservatives, please look at the ‘blue’ on the map of ENGLAND below, which is not based on the pathetic Membership measurement a Ukip without a single MP likes to look at.
UK General Election Results 2010 – see the map.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

Currently the Conservatives in 2015, due to dodgy electoral boundaries, need to be 9 points ahead of Labour in the Opinion Polls to get the same number of seats.

But what happens next week if Scotland, with 59 MP’s/constituencies, chooses independence, when the Conservatives only have ONE MP in Scotland - and England benefiting from Conservative reforms to boost businesses/employment since 2010 - gets to chose between a continuation of that growth, or a Labour government, helped by any Conservative voting Ukip.

“UK firms bullish as plans to hire hit 16-year high”
www.cnbc.com/id/101909710

“U.K. companies are set to boost their headcounts in the next three months, with firms in both the manufacturing and services sectors planning to hire new members of staff at the fastest rate in 16 years, a new survey shows.”

Try this General Election 2010 link, for some reason the one above is general, not for 2010.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

2 former Tory council lord have just defected to Ukip in Calcton. Apparently they were disgusted by the Parris article.

oh well. With Scotland keeping the big 3 busy UKIP should have a quiet stroll to victory

Lovely, so the tories are praying that Scotland leaves purely to save their own skins now.

Party before country as usual.

Does anyone else see the irony in a Tory pointing to two pay members out of forty thousand who are either rich or privileged? I suspect there is a character limit on these posts so I won't bother listing any of the chinless wonders, little lord Fauntleroys or millionaires at or expense who populate the tories and labor. At least seventy eight percent of the scumbag parasites at the last count.

For once however isitme does raise an interesting question. How would the electorate react to the prospect of another tory government if Scotland does go its own way?

I suspect badly.

Spinflight ……. Re your “Lovely, so the tories are praying that Scotland leaves purely to save their own skins now”

Look I understand that as a U-kipper you very little to say positive about ‘the point’ of a Ukip pretender, but twisting peoples words is really lame, especially when answering stupid statements of yours, on Conservative “terminal decline” – when looking at the 2010 election map of England (not available thru my link so re Google it), it is heavily ‘blue’.

Furthermore, I do not speak for anyone else, but people like me understand the extent of the damage to the rest of the UK, and Scotland, in the event of a ‘YES’ vote – and history shows, be it 1979 or 2010, Conservatives do what is right to provide a SUSTAINABLE economic recovery and pay the UK’s bills – and leave it to the economically clueless parties to either pretend there are no problems of national debt, or lie to the electorate that they have (unfunded) answers.

Continuing on the subject of Ukip propaganda-over-policy-substance on these boards, there must be hundreds, nay thousands of Ukip posts bitching about the ‘elitist’ main parties and how Ukip is oh so very different – and that is not Ukip irony, it is rank hypocrisy.

Re the 2015 general election, I suspect the electoral boundary issues that mean the Conservatives need to be 9 points ahead in the polls to have the same votes as Labour, are mainly in England.

And due to the sheer economic turbulence of a Scottish ‘YES’ vote on the rest of the UK, if ‘the people’ want a Labour Party back in that was clueless in 2010 to sort out their own problems built up over 13-years and still with us, so be it. Apparently the polls today show even without Scottish seats, a minority Labour government is still likely in 2015.

WetAugust .... thanks to Ukip's desperate need for a Westminster seat and Mayfair secret promises to a sitting Conservative MP whose party delivered the economic recovery/jobs and personal constituency relationships - Clacton is now Ukip's to lose.

Quite what 'turned' Europhile Carswell to the political 'Lite Side' of Ukip when they cannot even deliver an exit from the EU under any circumstances beats me, but if any Conservative with 'a face for radio' needs so much 'me me' attention when the government has so many domestic and international problems to face at the moment - best he or any others putting their personal interests over those of the country do leave now

if any Conservative with 'a face for radio' needs so much 'me me' attention when the government has so many domestic and international problems to face at the moment - best he or any others putting their personal interests over those of the country do leave now

Well said!

Isitmebut - Spinflight is incapable of doing anything other than twisting words. It's the only way she can make a point. She attributes something outrageous/plain wrong then rails against it. Yawn.

face for radio?

Don't tell me that you are copying the example set by you supporter Matthew Parris and decided to insult people based on your prejudices.

actually I have seen more apt faces for radio than Carswell who always looks well turned out to me

Playing the man rather than the ball us an admission of defeat. Remember that Wheeler and Carswell were on e Tory supporters. did you sneer at them then when they were supporting you?

Off subject. I thought aha glue made a very good show on PMQs today. Shame he's decided to pack in politics.

WetAugust .... I'll take no lecture from a fishy U-kipper and other that have spent YEARS criticising Cameron, every Conservative and Liberal Democrat on stupid little niggles since 2010, despite their record in rescuing the UK from the clueless that got us into this mess - because YOUR PARTY HAS NOTHING but false Ukip promises on the one policy you have, and that non elitist Ukip are somehow 'different'.

FYI watching Carswell on TV has always fascinated me, but don't worry, as long as he is always seen drinking a Ukip pint of beer, no one else will notice.

Your investment in doubling the Ukip talent pool in one stroke, is therefore safe.

rf241 .... Spin-by-name etc...says it all really.

Methinks I may have touched one of Isitmebuts very raw nerves.

I'm not alone in disliking Cameron. Most Tories can't stand him either.

You also forgot Labour. I can't stand them either

Am watching the Scottish debacle in disbelief that zany Scottish voter could be swayed by the magical appearance of has-been such as Prescott Clegg and Brown. Unbelievable

Notice how the Labour party are keeping their posher MPs well away from the place.

WetAugust ... no 'raw nerve', just a fairly new poster who in my time saw around 300 posts from Claig on a little windmill Cameron placed somewhere, rather than any good news - all part of a current government 'dissatisfaction' campaign from any party that had nothing to offer themselves - which works very well in Scotland if all they can cite is a Tory Poll Tax 20 odd years ago vs the economic etc record of the alternative.

Re Cameron, show me a Conservative leader that has been universally liked in the past 35- years plus - yet the more recent ones have taken on difficult ministerial 'stuff' other MP's/partys knew they had to - but were too politically cowardly to do so, and were a credit to the MP description.

Cameron within a coalition government FORCED upon him, without all the powers of patronage when awarding 100% of the senior/junior ministerial positions in government, would always get more resentment from those within than a PM with a majority - and as always, not all polices were a success, but the majority of them were and that (plus the alternative) is how he should be judged by the electorate. IMNSHO.

'a fairly new poster who in my time saw around 300 posts from Claig on a little windmill Cameron placed somewhere'

That is a complete exaggeration. If you are referring to Cameron's "rooftop wind turbine" then I think I may have mentioned it less than 3 times, but certainly not 300!

"Continuing on the subject of Ukip propaganda-over-policy-substance on these boards, there must be hundreds, nay thousands of Ukip posts bitching about the ‘elitist’ main parties and how Ukip is oh so very different"

This is yet another exaggeration. I have seen no such thing on this board!