Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

Going on my Christmas card list, pronto!

Thougt Lords Guardian piece just showed political naivety. He doesn't come over as a party player ready to change tack and accept some difficult issues for the sake of his party. It's sell about HIM and what HE was promised.

yes he's right to feel piqued at having to give way to Carswell but sacrifice is sometime required in order to achieve a greater goal. If you truly believed the UKIPs objectives were so firmly your own objectives you would be willing to stand aside and let the big hitter get publicity for your cause.

Unfortunately Lord appears to have taken his ball home because He wasn't going yo get what He wanted. I'm glad he displayed these qualities before the GE. I don't think they are qualities that UKIP really wants in its MPs
played do they

having a couple of people rattling off lie after lie about what they think are your policies instead of stopping yo draw sir god a moment would probably drive me nuts too

The jealousy of the other parties candidates I.e. 3 hundred thousand pounds is something I will have never so it should go to the tax payer. What load of rubbish those people spouted. they are the sort of people who would insist on every penny in this country bring shared out equally and when the wasters have spent their share they'll insist we share it out again.

I really dislike raving lefties

WetAugust ...re your "If you truly believed the UKIPs objectives were so firmly your own objectives you would be willing to stand aside and let the big hitter get publicity for your cause."

So you admit it, UKIP's 'long game' objective is really just Westminster power.

Which as an EU 'independence' party that cannot deliver an EU REferendum and knowingly stop the Conservatives from giving the people a say in 2017, is the only logic answer.

Meanwhile those talent less people at Ukip, whose only contribution to British society is to constantly stir up political distrust and dissatisfaction, lowering the standing of established parties whether they did a good job or not, are sitting pretty for several years more WITHIN the EU parliament, on an MEP salary of £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,500 a month allowance paid into their personal bank account, whether claimed or not.

Such integrity.

I really dislike raving lefties
Goodness, I hadn't noticed.

d.d.a.....Arguably WetAugust has a Ukip point ...... as it was Labour's EU and immigration policies of the 1990's that helped created the monster we now see.

Having said that, the Wet one hates the Conservative (you have that in common at least), hates the lefties and swears blind is not a Ukipper - so unless a closet Lib Dem, I'm at a loss to find someone the poster 'likes'. lol

Whereas me, I luv everyone, it's failed political ideologies and people that cannot see it whatever proof put it front of them, that gets my goat up.

Jeremy Hunt has been a catastrophe

'Political naïvity' ? But I thought UKIP was the people's party. In which case you'd hope it would be above the calculating machinations of the alleged elitist members in other parties. Sorry but I think Lords did his bit for UKIP over many years and was case aside for the pretty girl at the dance.

Cast aside!

It is fascinating to see the spin, yes SPIN, on this thread about what it a thoroughly disloyal action on the part of UKIP.

Lefty raving, raving, raving^ lefty ravinglefty ravingleftyravingleftyravingleftyravingleftyra-

Slap!

sorry.

rf241 ..... "Jeremy Hunt has been a catastrophe" .....really, are you llistening to Andy Burnham who oversaw Labour's NHS omnishambles, despite throwing so much money at thee NHS, seeing standards fall, yet still has his job??

How can you nearly triple spending from 1997 to 2010 (and borrowing £10's of billions) and have hospital caught infection e.g. C.Diff, so rife for years, yet the number of actual beds fell from 194,000 in 1997, to 147,000 in 2011.?

The reason why was because very little of it got to the front line, as salaries at the top went up and bureaucracy ballooned, so by 2010-11, 1.43 million people worked in the English NHS, of whom only 50.5 per cent were clinically qualified.

That would account for the pants standards of care and mortality rates of 14 NHS trusts, 11 of which were so bad they are being put into special measures – how many died at the Mid Staffs Trust – how many budgets were screwed by Brown’s Public Finance Initiative’s overpaying the Private Sector for decades to come?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2363808/Labours-NHS-denial-machine-Experts-verdict-ministers-covered-problems-failing-hospitals-thousands-died.html

And the borrowing via the Private Finance Initiatives, where lease back hospitals at a huge annual mark up, was a negotiating disgrace.

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8779598/Private-Finance-Initiative-where-did-all-go-wrong.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9356942/Blair-defends-PFI-as-NHS-trusts-face-bankruptcy.html

PFI was dreadful granted, but I don't think jeremy hunt has done a good job either!!

has anyone read Matthew Parris Times article on Clacton?

I'm not paying Murdoch to read it but from the sections that gave been reproduced elsewhere he's utterly scathing about the place and the people who live there.

can't believe he didn't think of the consequences of writing this sort of arrogant stuff Puzzled

I haven't read it but have seen commentators commenting about it.

I am not surprised because he is part of the metropolitan elite, he is a luvvie, he is exactly why the people have abandoned the Tories.

'can't believe he didn't think of the consequences of writing this sort of arrogant stuff Puzzled'

I don't think he could help himself because he realises how out of touch he is with ordinary people and his instinct is probably to downplay those people in order to feel more comfortable in a luvvie bubble and to be able to maintain a sense of superiority. He knows the writing is on the wall, it is all over for the luvvies and the modernisers.

Parris says

"Tories should turn their backs on Clacton"

The Tories will try and disown this type of thinking, but it is too late, because the people have already turned their backs on the Tories and the luvvies who think like Parris.

Tim Stanley in the Telegraph has it spot on

"And Matthew’s column grinds my gears on a personal level because I, too am “ordinary”. I know the kind of people he’s describing; there are a lot of them in my family. And although I may have grown up into something that could perhaps be described as “exotic”, I’ve retained a deep love of the ordinary. I love seaside towns like Clacton: the piers, the fish’n’chips, the crappy shows (more impersonators of the Bee Gees than there were Bee Gees), the fag ash, the “family tattoo emporiums”, the loud families, the tired old gramps falling asleep on the bench, beer in plastic cups and merry-go-rounds that electrically hum Black Lace classics. It might not be pretty by 5 star London standards – but it’s Britain. Those people who Matthew dismisses built this country. They have survived world wars, recessions, depressions and 16 Eurovision humiliations in a row. They are indomitable – and no Westminster bureaucrats or clever-clogs writers will ever change them. I love them. I love them because I have to as a Christian and I want to as a fellow Briton. We are family. And you don’t turn your back on family.

Matthew seems to imagine that he’s handing out sage advice to David Cameron about how to build a Tory majority, but he’s dead wrong. On the contrary, columns like this suggest to people from my background what they’ve always suspected that Tories are laughing at them . By and large that isn’t true, but Matthew has come to represent a segment of liberal opinion that defines itself by a perceived superiority to everyone else. And if David Cameron follows that strategy at the next election, he’ll be left with just one segment of the population enthusiastically backing him: Matthew Parris."

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100285407/dear-matthew-parris-if-the-tories-abandon-the-working-class-to-ukip-they-will-deserve-to-lose-2015/

'Matthew Parris Represents Everything that's Wrong with the Modern Conservative Party'

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/06/Matthew-Parris-Clacton

Absolutely! And that is why it is over for them. Clacton is the end of the line for the luvvies. Essex is their worst nightmare.

The author of the article continues to get it right.

"It is bad enough that Parris is about as far removed from a conservative as it is possible to be, yet still shrilly claims some form of ownership of the Conservative Party. In fact, he cannot claim to be of any relevant political philosophy or movement.

For too long, those like Parris have operated without a constituency in Britain, beyond those few hundred school and University chums which form the Mafia atop the British media and politics. It is largely for this reason that they have no conception of how truly despicable or out of step with the nation they are."

In a way of course, Parris is right. The Tories will be hammered in Clacton and over much of Essex too. UKIP will trounce them and he saw the reason why when he went there. It is because there are no luvvies in Essex, just ordinary, no-nonsense, hardworking people.

He knows that the metropolitan elite don't stand a chance of holding Essex, so he thinks they should not waste their time and rseources there and that they should turn their backs on it.

He is right, because they are doomed to lose in Essex and Clacton. Their rooftop wind turbines are laughed at here, no one takes the luvvies seriously.

his instinct is probably to downplay those people in order to feel more comfortable in a luvvie bubble and to be able to maintain a sense of superiority

I completely agree. Not sure how much Matthew Parrish is symptomatic of a wider malaise and how much he's just a snobby, shitty individual though.

'Not sure how much Matthew Parrish is symptomatic of a wider malaise'

Unfortunately, our elite are all like him and that is why there is such a huge divide between the people and the elite. They look down on the people, they don't serve us, they serve themselves. and the lobbyists.

The bedroom tax, minimum alcohol pricing to make our drink more expensive, while theirs is subsidised in House of Commons Bars, and all the other stuff they do is just is just symptomatic of how far removed they are from us.

It is a tiny clique of Oxbridge PPEs and such like that rule over 60 million people. It would be OK if they were any good, but they are self-evidently not up to the job and that is why the country is in decline and why the people have now had enough.

There does seem to be a big gap opening up between London and the rest of the UK. It almost feels like a different country -a city state.

I just cannot imagine how an experienced and supposedly savvy commentator could write that article and not expect flak. How many people does Parris think are actually like him? The majority are more like the people in Clacton but I expect Parris rarely meets those.

But go sneer at people for bring poor or disabled is just beyond the pale.

One critic compared what he'd written to the attitude of the nobility just before the French Revolution!

He's not done the Tories any favours

'But go sneer at people for bring poor or disabled is just beyond the pale.'

Yes. It is beyond the pale, but that is the mindset of this gilded elite who left the top universities and found that all the doors were opened for them and all the carpets were rolled out for them.

They think that the people of Clacton are losers, that they are better than them.

As Tim Stanley said
"columns like this suggest to people from my background what they’ve always suspected that Tories are laughing at them"

The people put up with it for a long time, but they finally had enough and that is why UKIP has soared in popularity in the last few years. This is a real tide and the luvvies on the shore can do nothing to stop it.

I was looking at Carswells Twitters earlier. He's been receiving g some pretty offensive tweets from other Tories. The Tories seem to be tearing themselves apart.

tonight's news of the Yes ahead in Scotland probably isn't helping the Tories either. they ve already started spinning it that Dave should not resign if there is a Yes vote from a Tory perspective he would have delivered continuous Rory Gov in the rump of the UK forever.

Weird things are happening right now. Things I thought I would never see. Things are starting to get quite unpredictable. Not sure I like this situation

The 'city state' idea is returning because it is part of the global elite's plan to weaken national sovereignty and place power in the hands of local entities that are necessarily dependent on external supranational power structures such as the EU.

The whole trend to create mayors etc is a sign of cities taking on a bigger role, which will eventually lead to greater regionalism and loss of coherent national identities.

The liberal elite is at the forefront of championing this movement but they are merely pawns of the big business and globalisation that is really behind the drive to weaken national independence and sovereignty.

If you look at Ukraine, you can see the danger of small countries in Europe being dragged into a potential conflict with Russia because they have lost their independence and have to go along with the wishes of the Club of Europe.

Clacton, to the elite, represents the past, not the bright shiny future of their globalised world.

The elite don't understand the people of Clacton and they patronise them, hey think thay are divorced and disconnected from the gloablised world, just as Labour's Chuka Umunna did not understand UKIP voters.

'‘Now there’s been a lot of talk about communities who’ve been disconnected from our global economy and those of course were a lot of those who were voting for UKIP in the local and European elections.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665102/UKIP-voters-not-know-use-internet-send-emails-claims-Labours-Chuka-Umunna.html

They think the voters are thicjk for not voting for the metropolitan elite. They can't understand it is because the people don't actually like the luvvies or their policies.

It's starting I feel like that election back in the 1990s that everyone expected the Tories under John Major to lose. there was absolutely no fight in the karts and just a silent acceptance if their fate. they went on to win that election which was surprising as nobody would own up to voting for them!

If they intend to try go win next May they'll need to get their act together very soon. there could be a series of setbacks lining up over the next few months - the Scottish vote, the Carswell victory a hostile conference......

Rees-Mogg appears to be suggesting the Dave offers Nige the deputy PM ship!

If you want a good laugh then Littlejohn has a very acerbic piece in the Daily Mail