Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

I certainly noted the zealousness of some of the UKIP supporters at the meetings I have attended.

I really don't know why people think that in England we will always just have 3 main parties. politics is not stagnant. Parties will peak and parties will wane. new parties will emerge. I expect the zeal of some UKIP supporters was something that the SDP supporters experienced when that party was established

Have the kippers released any sort of policy documents or manifesto?

No manifesto yet. But none of the main parties have published theirs either. There's still another 8 months before the general Election

UKIP... Clacton... that figures. The perfect party for the Costa Geriatrica and its backwaters. (I expect they pick up a few votes from people who don't like the windfarm too.). Of course it used to be one of the Tory's safest seats before UKIP, what the heck else could it have been?

But really not exactly representative of the whole country moving forward into the 21st century, now is it?

I enjoyed both Cathy Newman (C4) and Allegra (BBC2 Newsnight)'s interviews with Carswell this evening. He looked so shifty every time they asked him about the sexist comments that usually emanate from the kippers.

Clacton is a very poor area (the Jaywick ward is one of the most deprived areas of the country). Con/dem cuts have hit local services hard - the maternity unit in Clacton hospital closed earlier this year, forcing expectant parents to travel some 40 mins into the larger Colchester hospital local news article re future of Clacton maternity. So yes, people do want change - but whether they'll like the change a UKIP MP might want is a very different matter...

I suspect the lack of UKIP manifesto suits Carswell, so he can spin however he likes.

Claig .... re "I am not surprised. The people want change, they have had enough."

After the deepest/longest recession in 100-years of course people are fed up, but the fact remains the UK is still annually over budget spending £100 bil too much - so GIVE the people a detailed manifesto for 'change' that will not compile so much more debt, where higher taxes for all, including penal ones to business/job creation are forced upon the government to fix it as markets force up borrowing rates, putting the economy into a downward spiral as Labour handed over to Thatcher.

I still remember the pre 1979 Thatcher lack of work incentives of a Minimum income tax of around 32%, the Upper rate was around 64% upwards, the tax on an income from investment was over 92% - and if any company was lucky enough to make a profit in the 1970's, the Corporate Tax was around 50%.

A 'change' from the Conservatives thanks to the UKip vote will be Labour, who after putting up National Insurance (a jobs tax) pre 2010, told us by spending as was taxes WOULD GO UP, but refused to detail them until AFTER the general election.

The UK is already paying over £52 billion a year just servicing the INTEREST on our national debt, which comes out of our annual spending budgets, so how much will it cost when interest rates normalize?

UKip's 2010 solution to pay off our national debt, cover our (then (£157 billion) annual deficit, and help those lower paid in a recession was a FLAT TAX & NATIONAL INSURANCE RATE of around 32% - now that would have been a 'change', so change is not all it is cracked up to be.

Ukips 2010 General Election manifesto was totally wiped off their website, but below is the BBCs summary.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

Claig- it's interesting how you are linking to and quoting a new statesman article , but were so dismissive of the one I posted from the VERY SAME publication about UKIP racism..... Hmm! So I take it that the new statesman isn't so bad after all....

Spinflight I wouldn't quite describe you as humble. No indeed.

I wish you would stop implying that the Rotherham scandal cover up is in keeping with the views or ideologies of 'certain' people on this thread. It's low and uncalled for.

Poor Roger Lord- at least he can see what a bunch of spineless flip floppers UKIP are. It's pretty revealing how he was treated- Farage KNEW that carswell was defecting when he last spoke with Lord about Clacton. Guess that Farage prefers Oxbridge Carswell over honest farmer Lord.

Talking of Mr Lord, Clacton, and the shabby treatment of a loyal Ukipper that had fought 4 general elections for them and led to believe (before he was dumped without even a phone call) that he was to fight the 2015 General Election - the last quoted paragraph below is their official defence on upgrading at the first opportunity to a sitting Conservative MP with loyal constituency support.

“Clacton by-election: UKIP's Roger Lord hits out at Nigel Farage”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29045467

“The UKIP politician overlooked as the party's candidate in the wake of the defection of Tory MP for Clacton, Douglas Carswell, has accused Nigel Farage of "turning my career to dust".”

“Mr Carswell's defection to UKIP last week triggered a by-election for his seat, due to take place on 9 October.”

”A UKIP spokesman said Mr Lord had never been the by-election candidate for Clacton.”

How politically slippery is that, Mr Lord was not selected to fight a by-election in October, as it was the knifing of Mr Lord to poach a sitting MP in a seat they told us they could win, that CAUSED the 'kin by-election in the first place. Duh.

'Guess that Farage prefers Oxbridge Carswell over honest farmer Lord'

Carswell is not Oxbridge.
He is University of East Anglia, King's College, London and now the University of UKIP.

I've just heard Ed Miliband up in Scotland play the 150-year old political class card, criticising the Conservatives for stimulating businesses hit by the worst recession in 100-years, by helping the moribund economy shops upward going out of business, by paraphrased 'fat cat bosses' to invest and hire people via tax and national insurance cuts.

If anyone looking at Labour's 2010 wishy washy general election manifesto hoping 'something will turn up' to rescue the economy, gave Labour the benefit of the doubt they were clueless what drives an economy and pays for public services - that little 1970' throwback speech, confirmed they were clueless.

Fair enough I stand corrected - thought he was

But he DID go to Charterhouse. Of course he did.

Yes, he went to Charterhouse.

Now that Carswell is Nigel's bitch

Have to say, I've never met an old Carthusian who wasn't a tosser, but I suppose there must be some.

Jeremy Hunt

Jeremy Hunt? Hope that's not your 'Old Carthusian not a tosser' example, claigy dear.

Jeremy Hunt has done a god job at health and is a Carthusian and a PPE. Not a tosser.

Pete Gabriel and Mike Rutherford!

Yep, Genesis fan!

Sorry, this is just Tosser City so far. My rule holds good.

Loved that Guardian article, dawn. Lord makes a v good point: Farage stabs his friends in the front and back! What chance do you have, dear voter?!

Well, along with what their own party are saying (see Guardian article above) this is what Claig wants us to support. (Fast forward to 13.40).

It's fantasy island policies too.

Blimey!

She seems a delightful soul, doesn't she Abbie?