Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

[Isitmebut]

Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

No Conservative Association would suggest it, but why give an 'empty' Ukip that clearly wasn't confident in 2015, legitimacy in Westminster now, before their policies can be examined?

Yeah, a potential Ukip landslide in a bi election 'protest' would lead to insufferable UKIP boasting for several months, so nip a landslide protest in the bud Conservatives...VOTE LABOUR. IMO

'so nip a landslide protest in the bud Conservatives...VOTE LABOUR'

I think there may be hardly any Conservative voters left in Clacton and there are even fewer Labour voters.

Everyone's gorn UKIP.

'but why give an 'empty' Ukip that clearly wasn't confident in 2015, legitimacy in Westminster now, before their policies can be examined'

Because they are on our side and the others aren't. It is as simple as that.

Claig ..... at it's current rate, even if Ukip quadrupled it's MP's each election, they will not even get a sniff of being in "office" and bringing us out of the EU, for 20-years - and by then we'll all be European Borgs, well assimilated into the EU, all wearing the EU red uniform/hat and waving a blue flag with 38 little stars on it.

Being "on their side " means what; no firm Ukip policies of their own, with a gobby leader opportunistically rubbishing every other parties for votes - how is the provision of snake doctor populist remedies good for this country still up to it's whazoo in debt and needing to balance growth, debt reduction and taxation policies?

In 2015 either the Labour or Conservatives WILL form the next administration, and as Labour only needs 31% of the vote, a Ukip with 11-15% of the vote ENSURES it will be pro EU Labour - which is not a problem if Labour IS the voters second choice.

Claig I have been very polite. I honestly think your fervour is a touch over zeolous and worrying.

We don't yet know how good UKIP will be in office, but all the signs so far look very encouraging.
In what way. Currently, they turn up at their EU offices, claim expenses and don't vote. So, should we be looking forward to them turning up at Westminster, claiming their expenses and doing bugger all else.

Now, please stop with the line that 'they're on our side', it's rhetoric, it's not a fact, it's your opinion and cannot be used as a valid argument, as is the 'Clacton landslide' and 'trailblazing path'. You are going to look awfully silly if it doesn't happen the way you want it to.
As I keep saying, if you have a valid argument as to why people should vote for a racist, misogynistic and disablist party, kindly put it forward.

'I honestly think your fervour is a touch over zeolous and worrying.'

That is because you take verything seriously. Some of my comments are tongue-in-cheek and meant to be humorous. I am exaggerating to have a laugh, but the underlying sentiment is true.

When I say "so far the signs are very encouraging" that is a joke.

'please stop with the line that 'they're on our side', it's rhetoric, it's not a fact, it's your opinion and cannot be used as a valid argument, as is the 'Clacton landslide' and 'trailblazing path'. You are going to look awfully silly if it doesn't happen the way you want it to.'

"Trailblazing path" is a joke. I am exagerrating for effect. I won't look silly because I understand the public mood and the metropolitan elite don't understand it because they are not on our side, because they don't live the same lves as ordinary people do. Their concers are the five-a-days, the rooftop wind tubines and increasing the price of alcohol to stop people binge drinking, but ordinary people don't care about those things.

If UKIP used the slogan "we're on your side" then they would sweep the board in lots of places, because I understand that that is the feeling of the people even if they cannot yet articulate it. It is the case and that is why they wil win. That is not ajoke, that is my opinion based on my understanding.

Cameron has surrounded himself with Eton chums and people from Oxbridge. He made a huge mistake, he is out-of-touch with ordinary people and those advisers can't help him because they are too. He should have concetrated on things that people cared about and not followed metropolitan diversions. But now it is too late.

The Thatcherite conservative heartland of Essex, who dislike Labour in the main, have had enough and they have abandoned the Tories because the luvvies in the Tory Party abandoned them, and now they have turned to UKIP in their scores and the result will be a landslide in Clacton.

They want a party that is on their side, and it is no longer the Tories.

The Daily Mail understands this because it understands the people.

This is one of their editorials

"The bell tolls for Cameron's cosy clique"

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2738792/THE-MAIL-ON-SUNDAY-COMMENT-The-bell-tolls-Cameron-s-cosy-clique.html

The Mail has long been against the chumocracy because it could see that it would lead to the disaffection of the Tory and Thatcherite faithful in heartlands such as Essex.

But the chums in Consercative HQ probably prefer to read the Guardian to the Daily Mail and that is why they never understood it and never saw it coming.

I can't see any Tories reading the Guardian other than to see what the left are thinking!
As for Daily Mail, a racist, misogynistic paper. Says it all, really.

'I can't see any Tories reading the Guardian other than to see what the left are thinking'

Then you have not kept up-to-date with the "modernisers" in the Tory Party. They share the same climate catastrophe beliefs as the progressives in the Guardian and they have even more rooftop wind turbines installed than the Guardian journalists do.

The Daily Mail is the paper in tune with the Tory masses, which is why it is Britain's second best selling paper, but my guess is that many of the top Tories don't even read it. They probably share your opinion of it.

I have always been of the opinion that the only good tory is a dead one, as a Guardian Reader I feel you are somewhat misguided.
As a lecturer I feel that you really haven't a clue what the hell you are talking about.
Oh, and climate change, that's a reality, claig, do wake up, dear.

'As a lecturer I feel that you really haven't a clue what the hell you are talking about.'

I predicted that Clacton would be a landslide for UKIP before any polling data was announced. I don't need to be a student at a University to know what is going on, because I am a student of the Daily Mail. It's all in there.

I wouldn't waste your time Claig.

lecturers always know best dontcha know. especially ones with inherited political nous LOL

A a Guardian reader you say?

Quite a few Guardian readers voted for Tony Blair I believe. happy with how that turned out?

Some also vote Green or Lib. Not exactly the sort that is going to be swayed by anything you write Claig.

Claig .... re "Cameron has surrounded himself with Eton chums and people from Oxbridge. He made a huge mistake, he is out-of-touch with ordinary people".

Again with the stupid class war; how many in the 1997 to 2010 administration who caused all the problems went to Eton and didn't have an idea how to fix it? Zero?

Do you know how a politician is "in touch with the people" rather than keep bitching about those trying to fix the problem? COME UP WITH THEIR OWN SOLUTIONS!

Have you ever justified anything using 'a man down the pub said ......'?

Well THAT is what Farage is, 'the man the pub', literally.

In America, even the thickest citizen understand it takes people with brains to run a country and all the complex issues - do you think Obama got elected because he was black (so MUST know what ever black person thinks) or because he was a very bright dude????

No I think Obama was elected because he got millions in campaign financing from rich moguls, Wall Street and Hollywood rather than based on how clever he was.

Farage will be elected in South Thanet based on how much he is on our side and on how in touch he is with us, not on how many millionaires back him.

Dawndonna thinks the only good Tory's a dead one so be careful Ismebut. Oh dear - there are some very intolerant people out there

Actually Tony Blair went to Fettes which is acknowledged at the Scottish equivalent of Eton. That makes him one of the elite?
He's just been awarded GC Magazine Philanthropist of the Year award. quite incredible.
I don't think Obama is as bright as you've painted him. He stated outright last week that he had no strategy for dealing with ISIS. You think he might had taken some time over the past few months to umm actually formulate one? Obviously not.

I have reached the conclusion that they are almost all cynical arseholes. Still voting UKIP though.

Claig ...... a politician 'in touch' saying 'there, there' to everyone, without a policy to fix it, is as much use as a chocolate tea pot - fixing stuff is high up in the job description - if we just wanted sympathy we'd have all MP's be Agony Aunts.

Farage and his merry people have NOTHING to offer but bitching about others policies - how will that fix our countries problems and not make 'the peoples' problems worse???

Robin Hood was more in touch than a Ukip failed bunch of Conservatives who NOW have ONE bit government nouse/experience they had to poach, via a multi millionaire FTSE 250 company owner, via a Mayfair eatery 'of the people' - on behalf of an ex city commodity speculator. Marvellous.

Dud you like these Ex Conservative UKIP members when they were Conservatives Isitmebut but?

Did their conversion from Tory members yo UKIP supporters happen over night or do you think they actually thought about what they were joining?

Will there be enough Tory members left to fill their conference hall this autumn?

Wet August .... Was Farage a Conservative MP, or anyone else 'ex' you currently have from the Conservative Party, including your Ukip rich Treasurer - or put another way, apart from Carswell, who was actually any good and worthy to be called an MP - and has a record helping the people in their constituency that voted for them?

How many times did Farage stand to be an MP of any party, 4 or 5 times?

So someone not good enough to be an MP, is good enough to lead Ukip - or does ex Tory Wheeler do all his thinking for him?

I keep telling you Isitmebut. It's NOT my party. I am not a member.

You do seem to be Esther put out that UKIP has snaffled a former Tory Finder and a former Tory MP

I think to be asking myself why did they leave? the answer if course us that they font believe the Tories can give them what they want. that foes not automatically mean that UKIP can hive them what they want but they could not in all consciousness continue to support a party they no longer believed in.

Not exactly the sort that is going to be swayed by anything you write Claig.
No. Having been beaten up by the NF back in the seventies, absolutely not.
I have however had the best laugh I've had in a while on here Claigs earlier quote is an absolute gem:
because I am a student of the Daily Mail. It's all in there.

That was a joke. I'm glad you liked it.

I wonder how the labour administration and social workers managed to coerce the police and other authorities into turning a blind eye to the mass rapes in Rotherham?

Do you think maybe the dehumanised the victims? Questioned their impartiality for making complaints against a minority? Put it that they willingly allowed the despicable acts due to their own low standards or stupidity?

In short dehumanised them, insulted them and showed utter contempt both for their way of life, their families and their culture?

Maybe the words thick, racist and such things were bandied about behind closed doors.

What a shame they didn't tweet their thoughts, though frankly labour representatives showing contempt for their electorate wouldn't even be news.

An atrocity of this nature, which unless shown otherwise I believe to be unique in the civilized parts of the world, required certain elements...

In short total and spiteful contempt, power to be abused and an ideology as motive.

Your humble correspondent is sad to note that, if certain poster's claims at status are to be believed, then those elements exist in this very thread. :(

'By defecting to the UK Independence Party, Douglas Carswell has almost certainly handed Ukip its first elected member of parliament. Since his announcement, two opinion polls present an incredibly bleak picture for the Conservative party, which could once count on Clacton as one of its safest seats .'

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' This helps explain the reaction that Carswell has since received in Clacton. "I'm telling you", said Farage during an interview with the author, "the combination of Ukip and Carswell is like nothing we have ever seen". Similar sentiments were voiced by an organiser on the ground, who reflected after his first day of campaigning: " It was like a religious experience. People running across the street to shake Carswell's hand and praising his decision. I've campaigned for years and never seen anything like it* ".

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/how-clacton-could-be-crucial-watershed-history-ukip

I am not surprised. The people want change, they have had enough.