Conservative Carswell defects to UKIP

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Modernizer Carwell won the new Clacton seat in 2010 with a large majority, heavily influenced by Ukip deciding not to stand a candidate themselves – so he has found a natural home with those that have a totally anti EU stance, but seems to forget that Ukip without a parliamentary majority cannot change British law to bring us out.

Claig …… after all your rants about right wing ‘modernizers’, you now own another one – so time for you to ‘jump’ the other way? lol

P.S. His defection was hardly cold, but by 1.30pm Wikipedia had been changed to reflect his defection. Who do you think was in a hurry to reflect his move, Ukip or the Conservatives? lol

''The people', incidentally,don't agree on everything. So I fail to see how Farage or UKIP can represent 'the people''

When I say the people, I mean the majority, not every single individual.
The people of Clacton will vote for UKIP in a landslide, which means that the people will have spoken, but it won't be every single one of them. There will be some Labour councillors and very few Tory voters who did not vote for UKIP.

They are all UKIP candidates and or members of the policy group. And you obviously haven't worked out yet that most folk join the party that marries most closely with their convictions.
As I said, you keep plodding on, your doing me a favour.

How many are members of the policy group?

I don't agree with every candidate. I'm not like one of these LibDem cronies who tweets IAgreeWithNick when Clegg makes a fool of himself.

I liked Thatcher but didn't agree with everything she did.

Look it up claig

Just looked up Stuart Agnew. He is that farmer, have seen him on TV arguing in favour of GM if I remember rightly. But I think I am wrong to say he was an ex-Tory, can't find anything on that, so it looks like he wasn't.

No dear, he is a UKIP MEP.

'Gerald batten is very good on some things but I think he is too harsh on some aspects'

I don't call bring islamophonic 'harsh' but bigoted.

Claig let me give you an analogy, as you seem to be will fully ignoring all evidence that UKIP is a racist party and you seem determined to state now that their policies and unsavoury views don't matter to the people - wgich makes me think it really is more of a protest vote that I thought.

Voting UKIP in the face of all the evidence about what they are is like voting for the BNP but saying 'I mean YES lots of their officials are dodgy and I don't agree with lots that they say, but I feel that they have my best interests are heart'. It doesn't make any sense.

Claig now you are being disingenuous - the article is NOT full of nobodies and they weren't all dismissed following what they said. I think it's really sneaky to let repeating that lie on here in the hope that others won't read the article and you can brush the untruths under the carpet.

Keep
Not let! And truth not untruths!

When I say nobodies, I mean relative to the people in UKIP who are not nobodies e.g. Diane James, Louise Bours, Jane Collins, Farage, Nuttall, Tim Akers etc.

The entire media threw the kitchen sink at UKIP before the EU election. But it didn't work, the public ignored it, they didn't fall for it. There were some dodgy council officials in UKIP who have now been removed after their tweets were discovered, but the public does not think that they represent UKIP.

' 'I mean YES lots of their officials are dodgy and I don't agree with lots that they say, but I feel that they have my best interests are heart'. It doesn't make any sense.'

Some of their lower-down officials were dodgy (and have been removed) and the public does not agree with them, but the public really does believe that UKIP have their interests at heart. It doesn't make sense to the provileged in the established parties, but it makes perfect sense to the people.

The people don't trust the other parties, they think they are not on our side and that they don't have our interests at heart.

The public doesn't know all of UKIP's policies, they don't yet know all of their candidates, but they think that UKIP is on their side and that is why they have turned to UKIP.

UKIP will win a landslide in Clacton, because people think that UKIP is on their side and none of the others are.

It's simple, it makes sense and it is true, which is why the other parties don't know what to do. They tried the smears, but the public saw through them. Now they don't know what to do.

Claig suddenly your party of choice appears to be very hierarchical if we are now talking about 'nobodies'compared to bigwigs

And Claig I think you'll find that most people in the article I linked were not removed. And they are not all council officials they are MEPS too.

Incidentally I know you have dismissed as irrelevant the fact that some people have 'harsh' views about Islam and that some are misogynistic BUT these are the very same people we will be entrusting to shape policy IF we ever had a UKIP government (which clearly we never will)

It's very easy to be a party that's against everything and to formulate random policies that have no economic formulations behind them when you are unlikely to get power. Look at the LibDems. They've come rather unstuck in government

This is what progressive Labour bigwig, David Blunkett, said. UKIP have said nothing like this. Did the media attack Labour and Blunkett over this?

"In an interview with BBC Radio, he urged Roma from Slovakia to " change their culture ", saying their children needed to be sent to school, they need to stop dumping their rubbish and avoid loitering in the street.

Without such changes, communities could 'explode', leading to riots on a similar scale to those in Bradford, Oldham and Burnley."

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/442589/Britain-s-cities-could-riot-over-Roma-influx-warns-David-Blunkett

'Claig suddenly your party of choice appears to be very hierarchical if we are now talking about 'nobodies'compared to bigwigs'

All parties are hierarchical. Farage has more say than a leaflet deliverer at the door. But UKIP listens to the people and is on their side. The UKIP hierarchy is on the side of the people, unlike the hierarchy in some of the other parties.

This was what was reported about progressive Labour bigwig, Blunkett.
Blunkett has denied it.

"David Blunkett told the prison service to call in the Army and "machine-gun" inmates during the 2002 Lincoln Prison riots, the former director general of the service has claimed.

Martin Narey said the former Home Secretary was "hysterical" when he telephoned him on the evening of the riot, and told him to order staff back into the prison.

Mr Narey, who is now Chief Executive of Barnado's, wrote in The Times: "He shrieked that he didn't care about lives, told me to call in the Army and 'machine-gun' the prisoners and - still shrieking - again ordered me to take the prison back immediately. I refused."

An entry in Mr Blunkett's diaries accused the Prison Service of dithering after the riots but Mr Blunkett has forcefully denied Mr Narey's claims."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blunkett-wanted-to-shoot-rioters-420449.html

'It's very easy to be a party that's against everything and to formulate random policies that have no economic formulations behind them when you are unlikely to get power.'

UKIP is against the ceding of our sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable elite of highfiving chums in Brussels. It is against the waste of our taxpayer money on subsidies to rich landed gentry for useless windfarms, it is against open door immigration to hundreds of millions of people from EU countries and it is against the banning of some of our higher wattage vacuum cleaners and potentially hair dryers by highfiving Brussels bureaucrats.

UKIP is for common sense and for the common people.

That is why there will be a landslide in Clacton and none of the other parties can do anything to stop it, no matter how many chums from Oxbridge and Eton they have in the media.

FFS. It's like arguing with a thick gcse student, this is why I always end up walking away.
Claig, when you're capable of holding a proper reasoned argument, do come back dear. If you're an adult, then all I can say is: Oh dear!

'It's like arguing with a thick gcse student, this is why I always end up walking away.'

That is exactly what the privileged elite think of ordinary people and that is why Clacton will be a watershed in British politics and will deliver a landslide to the people's party, UKIP.

Claig, I'm not sure what your last example proves. Nairey claims Blunkett said something. Blunkett forcefully denied he ever said. So one man makes an allegation against a man with whom he'd had a bitter falling-out. Other man denies allegation.

We can't condemn Blunkett on the basis of that (and I'm no fan of the bloke). No idea whether he said it or not. Only that he was accused of saying it and denied it.

If Farage had been accused of saying something as shocking as that by the former Director General of the Prison Service, then the media would have never stopped reminding the public of it.

I am not condemning Blunkett because I don't know if the allegation by the the former Director General of the Prison Service is true or not.

That is exactly what the privileged elite think of ordinary people and that is why Clacton will be a watershed in British politics and will deliver a landslide to the people's party, UKIP.
I shall inform the authorities that I am part of said elite, immediately. Will they stop my child tax credits?

If Farage had been accused of saying something as shocking as that by the former Director General of the Prison Service, then the media would have never stopped reminding the public of it. Only if he said it publicly, which let's face it, he often does.

Honestly, Claig, I've said this before, your ranting does nothing more than make you look as though you are rather struggling with life. I'd stop now, it's being going on for months.

You probably think the people of Clacton are struggling with life too. But you are struggling to get it and as usual failing to be polite to people who think differently to you.

Claig .... for a political party to be a real alternative, it has to have firm policies that identifies them as 'different' and appeal to a wide range of people - and in that regard, based on an EU promise they can't deliver and flip flopping domestic policies, Ukip is an empty political vessel.

We have had tough economic times of near 100-year severity, people (especially those that don't follow policies) do look for something 'different' in such times - but that does not mean the great orators and political parties in the likes of Germany and Italy in the 1930's, were best for THE COUNTRY.

The people of Clacton who had an excellent Conservative MP who as a representative of THE GOVERNMENT worked tirelessly for his constituency may become a Ukip MP and could be THE CAPTAIN of the Ukip empty vessel for all the good that 'influence' will do him - so much so, if I was a Conservative resident of Clacton faced with a Ukip landslide, knowing Labour will probably form the 2015 government - I WOULD RATHER VOTE LABOUR on October 9th, rather than Ukip.

'for a political party to be a real alternative, it has to have firm policies that identifies them as 'different' and appeal to a wide range of people'

We don't yet know how good UKIP will be in office, but all the signs so far look very encouraging.

But that is not the issue at the moment.

What counts at the moment is will the people vote for them, and that all comes down to whether the people think that UKIP are on their side. So far it looks as if they do, and the Clacton historic landslide will confirm that and will probably encourage other areas of the country to follow Clacton's trailblazing path.