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Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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standwellclearvehiclereversing · 21/07/2014 12:42

A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

OP posts:
prh47bridge · 08/10/2015 10:36

but he is definitely not an innocent man

I'm sorry but that is a "no smoke without fire" argument. It is also treating him as guilty until proven innocent. Saying he is definitely not innocent is going too far.

staverton · 08/10/2015 10:51

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

staverton · 08/10/2015 10:56

I have asked for my posts to be deleted as I can't give any further info, as its under police investigation. I realise also I am just some person on the web, so it is actually irrelevant what I write. I am confident in the inquiry though and think the truth will come out.
I am appalled by the Panoroma programmer as witnesses as much less likely to come forward and the jury could be swayed in an eventual trial.

lastuseraccount123 · 08/10/2015 18:15

"the BBC is one of the most truthful respected news bodies on the planet"

hahahaha, not it's not.

Savile savile savile. Where WAS the amazeballs BBC when he was fiddling with kids? Oh that's right. Ignoring it.

yolofish · 10/10/2015 00:32

in my naivety, I had not realised that the Tom Watson who is now apologising for his victimisation of Leon Brittan is the same Tom Watson who is now a top honcho in the Labour party. Am I being very cynical to think that his apparent about-turn may have something to do with pressures being applied from on high?

Grazia1984 · 10/10/2015 07:46

TW jumped the gun and gave credence to allegations against Brittan because he was taken in my web propaganda. Don't assume you conspiracy theorists that it only works one way with the "elite" lizards manipulating the masses. Psychological suggestion works as easily the other way in manipulating those on line who gullibly believe all they read put out for a purpose. Always keep your own mind open and above all look at the evidence whatever that might be and on all sides.

AHypnotistCollector · 10/10/2015 08:13

Are people really this ^^ gullible? Or maybe it's wilfull ignorance

Grazia1984 · 10/10/2015 08:53

The left internet reading ones are the gullible ones.

However everyone on right and left and conspiracy theorist or otherwise knows that most chidlren are bused at home by step fathers, fathers or siblings sadly and then yes they are sometimes at risk from their local scout master and other outsiders of all classes and races.

From today's papers:

Witch-hunt against the Tories

The man who initiated paedophile claims against Leon Brittan admitted yesterday that he was “right up for witch-hunts against rightwing Tories”.

Chris Fay, a former social worker and Labour councillor in south London, passed allegations about Lord Brittan of Spennithorne to Tom Watson, now the Labour deputy leader, who has led the campaign to expose what he claims is a “powerful paedophile network” linked to Westminster.

Mr Fay’s apparent admission of a political motive will increase pressure on Mr Watson, who has faced criticism over his role. He put ­pressure on police to investigate Lord Brittan, the former Tory home secretary, though several of the accusers he cited were later discredited.

Mr Watson broke his silence yesterday to defend himself. He admitted that he should not have referred to Lord Brittan as “close to evil” but insisted that he was duty-bound to pass child abuse allegations to police.

He apologised for the family’s distress but did not address his own role in publicising the claims. Police apologised this week to Lord Brittan’s widow for not having told the peer that he had been cleared of an allegation of rape before his death in January at the age of 75. Lord Brittan was also accused of sexually abusing young boys. Three people put forward by Mr Watson as alleged victims of sexual assault have since been found to be unreliable witnesses.

Last night it was claimed that a detective leading the investigation into alleged VIP sex abuse was forced to step down after complaining of being undermined by Mr Watson. Detective Chief Inspector Paul Settle quit his role in October last year and political pressure from Mr Watson was responsible, according to The Daily Telegraph.

In a statement on the Huffington Post website yesterday, Mr Watson — who wrote a letter to the director of public prosecutions last year raising three cases of alleged rape or sexual abuse by Lord Brittan — said he still believed that the testimony of one alleged victim was “particularly compelling”. However, he said that he was “sorry for the distress [Lord Brittan’s] family experienced as they grieved for him”.

The statement was only “half ­adequate”, Sir Samuel Brittan, the peer’s brother, said. “I think, morally, people should be careful before they make these sorts of allegations public. He should have gone to the police if he felt that needed to be done and then shut up,” he said. Lord Lamont of Lerwick, the former chancellor and a long-time friend of Lord Brittan, said that “no one will think of this as an apology”.

He added: “Mr Watson claims he had a duty to pass the information on to the police, but he was not duty-bound to make remarks in public about a person who was neither charged nor found guilty of any offence.”

Theresa May, the home secretary, said: “Those of us in public life need to be very careful about the language we use. It’s been brought home to us in a very human way.”

Mr Fay, 69, said yesterday that he had been “a very leftwing Labour councillor” who enjoyed “on a political level” the accusations made against prominent Tories. He was the first to publicly name Lord Brittan as a paedophile and began drawing up a list of VIP suspects in the 1980s which has since achieved widespread circulation.

One of Lord Brittan’s accusers, known as David, disclosed this week that he had been confused and now felt guilty. David told BBC’s Panorama that Mr Fay had encouraged him to name Lord Brittan as one of his abusers, saying that “the surname came out of Chris Fay’s mouth and I just went along with it. I identified him with a photograph”.

Mr Fay denies the accusation, although he admitted it was true that he had shown David a photograph of Lord Brittan. He said this was contained in a parliamentary directory of MPs from the 1980s which he used to help victims who believed they had been abused by politicians to identify the culprits.

He insisted that this was only after David had independently named the former home secretary as one of those who had raped him as a child.

Mr Fay, who was jailed for fraud in 2011 for his role in a scam which conned pensioners out of almost £300,000, said he remained convinced that Lord Brittan was guilty.

Mr Watson had previously described those making allegations against Lord Brittan as “credible” and “sincere” and used a Sunday newspaper article to draw comparisons with the case of Jimmy Savile, whose child-abuse crimes only came to light after his death.

Nigel Evans, a Tory MP, said Mr Watson had “qualified his actions” and that “Tom needs to do the decent thing and offer a fully apology. If constituents come to an MP [with such allegations], you should say it’s a police matter and encourage them to go to the police. What you don’t do is be judge and jury, and shout from the rooftops that you believe the allegations are heinous.” Mr Evans, who was last year cleared of sex allegations and a rape charge, said that the “trauma of being involved in such accusations is almost impossible to overestimate”.

The Met’s investigations into allegations of a Westminster paedophile ring, which led to them raiding Lord Brittan’s homes in London and Yorkshire after his death, are floundering.

Despite knowing for several months that the rape claims against the peer were unsubstantiated, the senior officers failed to tell his widow until this week and only did so under legal pressure."

BMW6 · 11/10/2015 20:53

Why in the world do some people hail Labour as moral guardians when they are quite prepared to use vulnerable people like "David" to falsley accuse Conservative MP's of Child rape and murder????

What's more I believe that they (Tom Watson for starters) KNOW that it is not true. Do people really want someone who can use these tactics to be in Government? Does the end always justify the means?

Truly Orwellian.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 12/10/2015 07:26

Gosh you're right, it's all a big lefty conspiracy to smear the right. Phew, glad we cleared that up! No establishment cover up and I guess Saville was just a naughty lone wolf Hmm

Grazia1984 · 12/10/2015 09:49

As all those involved in child protection would agree and we on this thread, if we make up allegations or if the police say there is credible evidence when there is not it makes child protection in cases where someone is a real perpetrator harder.

Scaredycat3000 · 12/10/2015 10:46

A different view point www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/jimmy-savile-newsnight-journalists-attack-bbc-over-anti-victim-panorama-investigation-a6685456.html
Panorama seems to have based a whole program on a vulnerable person, who's identity was leaked by a Police officer, and tried to use it to dismiss all claims made against all MPs. These alligations are not based on one person, just to remind you of a few other sources.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/westminster-abuse-inquiry-i-arranged-for-rent-boys-to-entertain-senior-tories-in-the-1980s-says-9602754.html
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-33632706

CFSKate · 12/10/2015 11:05

Words from a Tory Whip

"Anyone with any sense who was in trouble would come to the Whips and tell them the truth, and say now, "I'm in a jam, can you help?" It might be debt, it might be a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal which a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they'd come and ask if we could help. And if we could, we did. We would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points. That sounds a pretty nasty reason but one of the reasons is, if we can get a chap out of trouble, he'll do as we ask forever more."

gemdrop84 · 16/10/2015 12:14

I have nothing to add but am reading these, saved videos to watch later and am just gobsmacked by it all. The narcissism of those up top, the blind eyes. CFSKate, how very convenient all evidence has been lost/permanently destroyed, it's just unbelievable. What can we do? My mum was abused as a child by a family friend and she suffered due to it. To think of all those out there, carrying this with them, day after day, it just breaks my heart.

sansaryaAgain · 16/10/2015 20:45

And the latest http://gu.com/p/4dcey

It's a bit suspicious that everything is suddenly being withdraw or getting lost. Will there ever be justice?

Grazia1984 · 17/10/2015 06:23

The evidence submitted online recently should never have been lost,. However people wrote that very recently so all they need to do is go back on the website and write it again.

Caprinihahahaha · 06/11/2015 08:39

CFSKate

I thinks out probably meant to clarify that the quote was made in 1995 by Edward Heaths whip describing the whips attitude in the 1970s.

Just reading it without context makes it look as if it is current which is obviously completely wrong.
It's a hideous quote betraying a disgusting , manipulative and callous attitude. But to inadvertently portray it as current would be pretty bad. I'm sure that's not what you intended.

Caprinihahahaha · 06/11/2015 08:39

i think you

CFSKate · 06/11/2015 11:02

Caprinihahahaha Yes, not intended to imply current. I have posted the clip before, I posted it again as a reminder in response to suggestions that allegations are made up, to show that there may be something in it if Tory whips were admitting to that much.
Also, many allegations seem to be from early 80s, not that long after that quote refers to, so maybe whoever the whip referred to was still in office?

Caprinihahahaha · 06/11/2015 11:22

Yes it articulated an horrific attitude and one wonders how long it takes to culturally shift from that sort of mind set.
I've always assumed the quote as relating to Heath and his peers. Not many of them left around I think.

cheekymonk · 19/12/2015 21:29

I see Janner has died...

cheekymonk · 21/02/2016 21:31

It was in the paper about kitty today too. A chief police officer wanting the case dropped or him charged. Trying to keep this thread alive

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