Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

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Re the bonding you discussed Honey and expanding your point a little I think the extreme nature of the activity deepens the bond.
EG,I might bond with a friend via our shared attention as we watch a film together.
Taking things further ?(as you say) male business associates bond in a lap dancing club via their shared denigration of women as they use their bodies as commodities ?.
Bonding via the shared rape and torture of children ?makes for a very exclusive bond which ties people more strongly as these people have crossed a line which forever separates them from the rest of society.

yes and are enchained to one another through the power of the secret and mutual preservation.

the lapdancing club might effect that from a, 'not telling the mrs' point of view and it being just the lads not the women from work.

i 'think' i mean affect.

The greater the secret the stronger the bond between those who are complicit.

Sharing in the ultimate heinous act creates the strongest alliance...the ultimate consolidation of power ?

from 1998, "unless, that is, the toilets in question happen to be those behind the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand, in which case, under the terms of a long-standing Metropolitan Police policy, the operation will take place only if it has the approval of an officer of the rank of commander or above. According to experienced London officers, the reason is that those toilets are used by High Court judges and barristers, and the Metropolitan Police have always said they do not want to encounter such a powerful offender without special authority."

OMG, what?! That's about as blatant an admission of 'beyond the law' as you could get. Police have always said they do not want to encounter such a powerful offender without special authority.

jesus! one rule for the masses but let's not step on the toes of our 'betters'

Did you read Nick Davies's article, HB? It could almost have been written this year, so little has happened in the past six years. Well, apart from Jimmy Savile's death and its additional revelations of conspiracy & cover-up which seem to have been sparsely addressed.

It's a very colourful anecdote. Except...there aren't any public toilets behind the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand.

There used to be basement toilets in front of the RCJ, accessed via steps in the middle of the road in front of St. Clement Danes. They've been locked up for years. And they could not be more conspicuous, right by the zebra crossing. Any judge or barrister seen using them (and they would be seen) when more salubrious lavs could be found at court or in chambers just a stone's throw away in any direction would be the subject of comment. If other barristers and judges thought there was cottaging going on in there they'd be dobbed in. It may go against the grain of the thread to say it, but barristers are a law-abiding bunch, many of them are even quite idealistic and moral.

So if such a policy existed, I'd bet it was a long time ago.

Unless people are excused the official secrets act nothing will be uncovered

MI6 will make sure of it

MonstrousRatbag - the article is from 1998, when were the basement toilets there?

From 2010 [[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.

But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse.]]

The basement toilets were not in use in 1998.

If other barristers and judges thought there was cottaging going on in there they'd be dobbed in.

Well, you'd think so - and maybe they would now, I don't know - but past events at Hampstead, Clapham common, and a few other places suggest plenty of people knew about the MPs and judges pursuing outlandish cottaging activities in highly visible public toilets, and kept quiet.

Please remember whistleblowers were actually killed; MPs, counsellors, reporters and senior police officers were threatened with violence to their families as well as career destruction.

Just wanted to post this very interesting interview with Chris Fay, who knows a lot about Elm Guest House. It's a long interview but really does describe what was going on in a way that is not mad/conspiracy etc. I just can't believe that all of this was going on and everyone knew about it and covered it up. It does make it seem like the Belgian X1 was telling the truth - they embroil every person they come across in their filth and then blackmail them....

I'm sure the Belgian X-witnesses were telling the truth, horrific as that is. Chris Fay's reputation was so thoroughly rubbished, a lot of people still believe the child protection organisation he worked for never existed! (He is named on widely-quoted research papers published by the organisation, NAYPIC.)

In today's news: A former radio DJ and friend of the abuser Jimmy Savile has been convicted of raping seven young girls and indecently assaulting 11. Ray Teret, who worked on radio station Radio Caroline, preyed on his victims in the 1960s and 1970s. While giving evidence he said that men who preyed on underage girls “want shooting” and that he had never been such a man.

it's really extra disturbing when you think what instigators in creating 'youth culture' and the phenomena of 'teenagers' these people were.

do i sound odd or make sense?

it's a relatively new category and some of these figures were massive catalysts in creating a 'youth culture' itms. their motives are seeming dubious to say the least.

another thought being that drugs were pretty new and kids were hardly as savvy as they are today or were in my day and there was a real rift between young and old (parents) and changing aspirations for young people.

when i think about it it was massively exploitable (youth always is since of course but at least nowadays the parents were 'youths' once too itms - they would have more savvy of that world and youth culture having lived through it themselves). the world their children were moving in literally hadn't existed previously so there would have been a total ignorance/naivety of the parents generation to exploit too.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2862849/Scotland-Yard-hid-MP-s-sex-abuse-inquiry-Police-buried-young-boy-s-testimony-Establishment-cover-says-author-book-Cyril-Smith-scandal.html

that's harrowing reading claig.

aside from the cover up and ignoring the boys report some of the worst of it is that when the undercover officers were there they were introduced to underage children and told they doing 'tricks' and then just left them there knowing they were being abused. so they had seen it themselves and still did nothing.

it seems like the police de-humanised these poor children too.

Yes, the whole thing is disgusting. Lots of people must know the identities of some of the people involved.

"Because it had become clear to them that the boy was describing a prominent politician of the time. The Mail knows the identity of the politician, but cannot name him for legal reasons.

Yet no politician was ever charged or even questioned, as far as we know, and there is a simple reason for this."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2862849/Scotland-Yard-hid-MP-s-sex-abuse-inquiry-Police-buried-young-boy-s-testimony-Establishment-cover-says-author-book-Cyril-Smith-scandal.html

How much longer will it be before justice can be done for the victims and how much longer before the truth comes out about who was involved?

i'm certainly not holding my breath given the hideous comment about conspiracy theorists by our PM. those with real power in the house have proved themselves very recently to see themselves as above the law and normal standards or consequences with the expenses scandal, lack of prosecution and recent shredding of records. that mentality is strong and it will have to be outsiders who force hands with help from a few backbenchers with some moral courage.

what's also tricky is that people who could come forward are possibly paralysed by the fact that they were involved in lower level criminality that they'd have to implicate themselves in in order to give their accounts or back up the testimony of victims.

i don't know if there is any kind of president for some kind of amnesty that allows people to come forward?

president! lol precedent sorry!

www.exaronews.com/articles/5424/lord-janner-faces-re-opened-police-probe-into-child-sex-abuse

Have you seen this? www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sickest-sick-dating-website-paedophiles-4762590 The Mirror's done a sting on a guy through a website that matches people who want to have children, and share the ones they've got, for sexual exploitation.