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Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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standwellclearvehiclereversing · 21/07/2014 12:42

A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

OP posts:
WhistlingPot · 08/12/2014 18:12
Shock

Oh good god. I just don't know what world we're living in any more. I want to crawl back in my bubble and hide.

I see the Mirror is running a poll on whether the internet should be better policed. At times like this I think hell yeah Sad

MonstrousRatbag · 08/12/2014 18:19

The same world we've always lived in. We just didn't know about things like this before.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 08/12/2014 18:26

Very true, Monstrous. As distressing as I find all this, I am delighted it's harder to hide these days and awareness is growing.

Whistling, I was in the 1% saying NO! Better monitoring, yes, but that's a question of resource allocation. Tighter control of the internet only pushes things back into the shadows.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 08/12/2014 18:31

I hope they succeed in re-opening the case against Lord Janner. His dementia came on pretty quickly Hmm

WhistlingPot · 08/12/2014 19:16

I'm completely with you really Garlic re: both hiding and policing the Internet.

Just having a bad day I think. Not sure today was a good day to dip in for me. It is so hard to stomach but you are absolutely right. We cannot hide anymore.

DollyTwat · 08/12/2014 23:00

hope this link works

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wz633

It's a radio 4 programme about Jeremy Thorpe. Shows how things were covered up. Scary

TheHoneyBadger · 11/12/2014 08:33

jesus that article! i'd say no to better monitoring - it's not the internet as a whole that needs better monitoring but real action when something like this does emerge.

the reality is that when american authorities handed over evidence including names and addresses of those involved in child pornography the police here did nothing and didn't even follow up those working with children as doctors etc. it's not the internet that needs better monitoring but a true will to investigate and prosecute perpetrators when intelligence does emerge and to protect victims.

they know full well who the people are already who use these sites and who are on databases handed to them everytime they do investigate a site or another country does so - they just do nothing about it.

how hard would it be now, based on that site, to get a list of all uk users and for their local police to investigate them and seize their computers and prosecute where there has been child pornography downloaded and importantly get them on the sex offenders list so they at least can't access children professionally and people are alerted to the risk they pose? every one of those names should have local police look quietly initially into what access to children they have and investigate whether they have abused or are abusing anyone, get warrants to seize their computers to have them forensically examined and then prosecute?

there just isn't the will! more monitoring won't change anything when they already do nothing about things like this. i don't need monitoring more i need to know that when i or anyone reports a site being used by pedophiles it will be dealt with.

TheHoneyBadger · 11/12/2014 08:38

and clearly the abusers know this - take the guy in the articles arrogant assertion that there are 50,000 users and he isn't at risk of being investigated. he felt about as at risk as someone downloading an episode of breaking bad on pirate bay and tbh tptb seem more concerned about copywright and music industry than they do about this stuff. money of course and big business interests being more important always.

mass arrests, mass addings to the sex register and publicised removal from jobs with access to children etc would maybe stop them believing, perhaps rightly, that they are untouchable.

TheHoneyBadger · 11/12/2014 08:42

sorry i am ranting to the choir i know but god it makes me sick that it took a tabloid being about to publish for them to actually arrest someone. more than likely tonnes of people have reported that site and their concerns about people using it and been thoroughly ignored - only the fear of being seen to not to do something in the face of a newspaper headline budged them.

i've also had endless coverage to face recently on local region news of the doctor at adenbrooks hospital who the US reported to authorities here years ago and could have been stopped and instead the data was ignored leaving him to carry on abusing child patients for years.

it seems like the police force/criminal justice system in this country exists merely to serve corporate interests and issue fines these days rather than protect the most vulnerable from the most vile.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 11/12/2014 09:08

Yes, HB :( :( Angry And these facts lead one to suppose that 'the Establishment' is indeed supportive of child rapists.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 11/12/2014 09:15

"Canadian authorities had alerted the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) in July 2012 that Bradbury had bought a DVD containing indecent images of children, but Ceop did not pass on the information until November 2013.

"In September, he pleaded guilty to six counts of sexual assault and 13 counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child.

"Bradbury also admitted three counts of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity, one count of voyeurism and two counts of making indecent images of a child."

Do people still cling on to the idea that this is all historical??

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 11/12/2014 10:02

More shitty news from Rotherham: Mother says police urged 13-year-old not to complain about being raped as it would spoil the police doctor’s Sunday lunch.

A further complainant, 29, was sexually exploited from the age of 14. She said she fears something “sinister” was happening within South Yorkshire Police. “It’s not just people turn a blind eye,” she said. “There were people protecting them.”

WhistlingPot · 11/12/2014 21:32

real action when something like this does emerge.

Absolutely! Maybe that's what I was envisaging - proper specialist teams on alert and able to swoop in. It's hard to believe that isn't what happens Sad

"Canadian authorities had alerted the UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) in July 2012 that Bradbury had bought a DVD containing indecent images of children, but Ceop did not pass on the information until November 2013."

Garlic - I was very interested in reading about that bit - I could be having a funny five mins but that quote doesn't seem to be in the article anymore...

WhistlingPot · 11/12/2014 21:36

Oh it is there! Ignore that!

claig · 13/12/2014 18:42

Sadly we already have got an understanding of how rotten much of our system is. The Jeremy Thorpe case gives a greater understanding of how the system worked then with coverups and all the rest

"But if political land mines lay all over Whitehall for my investigative TV team to avoid, there were even more lying hidden in the corridors of the BBC — the beyond reproach ‘queen of broadcasting’ and ‘fountain of truth’. So what if the Daily Express or Daily Mirror had reported the Thorpe scandal, who would care? Such newspapers were considered to be ‘gutter press’ and with no influence.

But if the BBC, with its power and influence, ran a one-hour documentary ... to the Establishment, that would have been unacceptable.

I had been on the story for less than two weeks when I got a phone call from Jo Grimond, one of Thorpe’s predecessors as Liberal leader. ‘What you are doing is outrageous!’ he barked down the line. ‘Unless you stop at once, I’ll have you dismissed within hours by the [BBC’s] Director General, who I happen to know extremely well.’

We then received a torrent of threatening calls from another Liberal MP called Cyril Smith — who, ironically, since his death has been exposed as a predatory paedophile and a serial abuser of young boys, whose activities were covered up years later by the Establishment.

Nevertheless, we remained ‘protected’ from their wrath by an invisible shield within the BBC. I now think I know why.

When Thorpe’s ex-lover Norman Scott (pictured) made a formal criminal complaint about the Liberal MP’s relationship with him, the leading officer didn’t bother to open an investigation

I can’t prove it, but after a lifetime with the BBC — an organisation for which I have undying affection and whose initials remain stamped through my backbone like Blackpool rock — and after 40 years of making numerous films about intelligence and writing a book about the CIA, I do now, sadly, believe I and my team were being carefully manipulated by the state broadcaster."
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Slowly, we discovered the extent of the Whitehall conspiracy to cover up Thorpe’s behaviour. We learnt that the FBI had warned their Special Branch counterparts in Britain about Thorpe’s predilection for rent boys in Times Square during visits to New York.

As a result, Devon police were asked to make discreet inquiries — and the then Chief Constable, Sir Ranulph Bacon, made damn sure the results remained secret.

As the police/Special Branch file on Thorpe grew, it ‘disappeared’ from the registry in Scotland Yard and was placed where no one could see it — in the safe of the Assistant Commissioner (Crime).
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I am the opposite of a conspiracy theorist, but at this point I do get conspiratorial.

Sir Ian Trethowan was in charge of the BBC at the time and have a very close relationship with the Security Services

Particularly, there was the profoundly questionable choice of judge to hear the case at the Old Bailey. Not all judges are allocated trials on a simple roster basis. Sometimes, the Lord Chancellor (as the post was back then), who was head of the judicial system and a very powerful political appointment, had an oh-so discreet hand in these matters.

Sometimes, the ‘right’ judge was hand-picked for a sensitive trial … the kind of judge who shared without question the Establishment consensus. The result? The judge in question Sir Joseph Cantley’s summing up in the Thorpe case was a judicial farce. He virtually ordered the jury to find Thorpe not guilty.
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Compared with the Seventies, the BBC has matured and Britain today is a freer, more open, less class-ridden and secret society. Yet there are still justified concerns that when it can get away with it, the Establishment will cover up for its own.

Take the slow boiling scandal involving paedophilia rings and Westminster notables, and, this week, the row over the cover up of the CIA’s torture interrogation techniques — some of which were learned from Britain’s brutal behaviour in Northern Ireland — which were well known to Westminster governments of both stripes at the time."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872344/From-Thorpe-paedophile-MPs-torture-ruling-elite-try-cover-sins-bids-constrain-media-insidious.html

There is more in the full article.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 14/12/2014 07:39

Wow. It's a pity that the officers will doubtless stop posting on the forum now - but, then again, important that their comments are shared.

TheHoneyBadger · 14/12/2014 08:17

still reading.

honestly i wish there was a way to sweep the whole establishment and all of it's mechanisms out and start again from scratch.

the establishment has been in place too long and has it's fingers in every pot and control over every institution and the whole thing is corrupt and rotten.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 14/12/2014 08:26

Well, there's always Zac Goldsmith Xmas Smile

I found it interesting - and highly credible - where 'Norman' says "There’s a ‘conspiracy’ theory that I didn’t pay too much attention to before, and it is that those with power, wealth and influence deliberately promote and encourage those with serious character flaws like sex offenders etc so that no matter how powerful that person gets they can control and influence everything. Doesn’t sound so far fetched now."

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 14/12/2014 08:30

So, basically, if you're highly ambitious it works in your favour to have some repulsive vice. Then those who appoint you will know how to keep you in line. The implications of this are horrifying, but it makes perfect sense.

TheHoneyBadger · 14/12/2014 08:43

ime nice people and people who genuinely care about right and wrong, the people they work with and the endeavour they are working towards never get promoted too far. you need yes men who you know will do as you tell them.

in smaller situations simply being ambitious and selfish is enough to control you but once you get to positions of real power i guess you need a bigger stick or the ambitious selfish wanker you promoted may get too big for his boots and bite the hand that feeds him.

GarlicGiftsAndGlitter · 14/12/2014 08:58

So this means nearly all the people in seriously influential posts have very ugly skeletons in their closets.

bunchoffives · 31/12/2014 19:49

I suppose the blackmail method of control is an argument in favour of the independently wealthy and well-positioned holding power.

If they were put in compromising positions and then blackmailed with the 'evidence' they'd just crawl back to their quiet lives on their estates?

Is anyone else old enough to remember all the Tory sleaze and subsequent resignations that undermined Thatcher/Major's 'back to basics' 'morality' polemic? I think everyone knew the govt were v.corrupt - as we know many politicians/police/judicial personnel are now.

I think guaranteed 5yr terms and first past the post system make MPs feel too secure. Plus no really independent/financially strong media to investigate and challenge what those who hold power are up to. And in any case, do the public really care? After finding out that abuse is so widespread, what happens? Nothing. sometimes I feel deeply ashamed to be British.

WhistlingPot · 02/01/2015 18:13

Just seen this on the news:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30659629

Prince Andrew sex case claim denied

Buckingham Palace has denied "any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors" by Prince Andrew, after he was named in US court papers.

A woman named him in documents she filed in a Florida court over how prosecutors handled a case against financier Jeffrey Epstein.

She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor.

The woman says she was forced to have sexual relations with the prince in London, New York and on a private Caribbean island owned by Epstein.

The accusation is contained in a motion filed in a Florida court this week, which is part of a lawsuit over how federal prosecutors handled the case of Epstein.

The court document, first reported on by Politico Magazine, alleges: "Epstein also sexually trafficked the then-minor Jane Doe (a name used in US legal proceedings for people with anonymity), making her available for sex to politically connected and financially powerful people.

"Epstein's purposes in 'lending' Jane Doe (along with other young girls) to such powerful people were to ingratiate himself with them for business, personal, political, and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information."

FallonColby · 02/01/2015 19:03

Vanity Fair did a huge story on this regarding Prince Andrew a few years ago, they alleged that Robert Maxwell's daughter acted as a high class Madame to the rich and famous. I think the story regarding this girl reared it's head back in 2011 just before the Royal Wedding but got hushed up.