Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

With re: to stepping back after the election.

There was a weird moment on HIGNFY a few years back when Boris Johnson was hosting. They played a clip of Gordon Brown arriving somewhere in a car and Boris Johnson made a big thing of there being teddy bears in the back of the car and wasn't that odd?

To which everyone (including me) replied, er, no, he has young children - why is it odd?

Weird comment..

I imagine power and abuse are fairly natural companions, unless accompanied by a framework of moral restraint. I am glad that some of what happened in the past is beginning to come into the open and I hope censorship proves impossible. Will be following the debate on 27th.

i just think it's naive to think 'in the past'. EVEN (and i doubt it) if the outright child abusers had been removed from power via death or whatever the repercussions would still be going on. the juniors who knew and covered up for example are now in power and not immune from wanting to cover their arses or to be influenced in their jobs by that imperative. not just in this matter but in any matter where it was brought to bear.

without veering into the fantastical it is still pretty clear when one thinks of it that this all would have had long reaching fingers.

two weeks ago

[[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831025/Cameron-attacked-sexual-abuse-victims-calling-claims-Home-Office-cover-conspiracy-theory.html Referring to the findings of a review into allegations of a VIP paedophile ring, the Prime Minister said on the campaign trail in Rochester that ‘conspiracy theorists’ would have to ‘look elsewhere’.
'There will be lessons from the report and people should study it closely. But I think it is important that it says that there wasn't a cover-up,' he said.
'Some of the people who've been looking for conspiracy theories will have to look elsewhere'.]]

today

Revelations that politicians allegedly murdered and raped young boys is "only the tip of the iceberg" in the Westminster historic child abuse scandal, Theresa May has warned.

honeybadger I entirely agree, it is still going on. What I hope is that openness - and outrage - about the past can influence the future.

"it is important that it says there was not a cover up" err no actually mr prime minister what's important is that it uncovers the truth regardless of where that leads and reports it diligently.

'conspiracy theorists' shouldn't be his concern - raped children should be.

god what a loathsome man

YY honeydragon. Similar to what Cameron said on This Morning when all the Savile stuff came out - that the important thing was that there wasn't a witch hunt against gay men (when nobody but him had even mentioned gay men).

No Mr Cameron, the important thing is that perpetrators of abuse are brought to justice.

sorry mad multiple posting again but again it kind of tells you just how wrong headed/hearted/whatever these people are that he thinks a snidey comment about conspiracy theorists is the right response to politicians having been found to have raped and otherwise abused children and been protected by their position.

i mean - what planet is it that that would seem appropriate to any person let alone whose education cost a small fortune? it's like the smackers in the supermarket - you get the distinct feeling blimey if this is how they act in public when they're being watched what the hell are they like in private?

god i'd forgotten about that ridiculous statement eeyore!

not a good advert for private education.

it is dawning on me that this era may have shaped the core of political decision making, sentencing, even foreign policy and certainly investment and deal making for FORTY YEARS.

This is exactly what the Belgian x-witnesses said was happening.

I'd only differ with your attribution to a particular era. It seems depressingly clear to me that it's all been going on for a long time, and still is.

Cameron's either hiding stuff he knows about, or energetically refusing to look at stuff under his nose.

Can I just say one thing - Please do not just look for well known public figures.
Yes they might get away with it/have got away with it because of their position. But there were/are (?) plenty of not important not famous people involved. I knew a nightclub in the 80s which was supposedly "over 25s" but girls of 14 could go to pick up rich guys, I also knew a Pub which had teenage prostitutes working outside. Then there were the boys who spent time with a man who all the kids at school knew was a Paedophile. Never mind the father who liked to kiss his daughter's friends etc.

The biggest thing to have changed is that schools can't turn a blind eye and say its none of their business, because actually under present legislation it is their business.

Very true, mummytime. I understand, though, that influential people facilitate large-scale abuse and also underpin supply chains. When the youth club manager, say, goes to court and gets a light sentence or no sentence, why is that? If the local paper protests but is 'advised' to drop the story, where does that advice originate? Who forced the councillors & police officers to abandon their investigations? When the National Crime Agency says it realistically can't prosecute all 50,000 child sex offenders, who dictates the resources available to it?

I think sending a clear & hard message to those further 'up' the chain will reverberate downwards.

exactly. and club x that is known to be doing a, b and c is allowed to get away with it because they also provide d for influential person/group e. or simply by having links to an influential person it is off limits for police to investigate for fear said person will be revealed as the child rapist they are.

that influential people facilitate large-scale abuse and also underpin supply chains

Garlic I agree entirely with your post, in particular your use of the phrase 'supply chains'
It is commonly used in the context of commodities which are bought and sold for profit and that's exactly what these children are being used as.

The more I read about this, the more I admire Barbara Castle. She keeps cropping up as someone who was trying to do something about this. I wish she were alive now to name names.

I havent posted here for a while. But is anyone here watching 'the missing'. The whole programme so far is reminding me very much of the belgian enquiry?

I've been reading but don't post as nothing to add. We don't have to, what is 'the missing '?

Autocorrect, we don't have TV.

YY, Beyond! Violet, it's a BBC mini-series about the parents of an English boy who vanished on holiday in France, and the layers of cover-up which are being slowly revealed.

Actually, I do (probably a conspiracy theory too far), but is this why we have so few women in parliament?

in a lot of cases it's informal networks and connections that get jobs or positions of power and the places and ways these connections are built are often very male. at the most innoculous that may means sports affiliations and playing/watching, at the next level up that may be the city boys hanging out in lap dancing clubs or using prostitutes. certainly it seems amongst these particular animals it was the raping and torturing of children.

this is an extreme example obviously but it's well known that these informal bondings and connections consolidate power and often by their nature exclude women.

that parliamentary clip is reassuring. some people ARE facing the truth and admitting it rather than clubbing together in their little ivory towers and crying 'conspiracy theorists'. bloody cameron's comments are still making furious.