Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

i have not followed this thread, but I will just add, why have all the 2000's phone hacking, the sex problems of the 1980's to-date within government and/or papered over by local authorities, all the unmasking and prosecutions are being disclosed NOW DURING THE COALITION GOVERNMENT, and not before?

P.S. The parliamentary expenses scandal, abused by many, mainly happened as the controls were relaxed by civil service retirements and being kicked out by senior parliamentarians TELLING MP's to help themselves, including the Speaker of the House who was given a Knighthood for his services to expenses. Work out the dates, civil servants, or Speaker yourselves

Farage admits he helped himself to £2 million in Brussels expenses up to 2009, but Claig won't mention that, or that he's looking for a £100k annual Westminster MP salary - as Brussels currently pays £3,500 expenses into MEPs bank accounts, whether claimed or not. and he'll miss that little perk

...or was it a Lord-ship for services to shipyards and expenses?

the Speaker of the House who was given a Knighthood for his services to expenses

Ha. I don't know which Speaker you mean, but there's quite a choice.

Did you see that Parliament ordered the destruction of all the files on expenses? This means the latest inquiry on that cannot proceed. The only copies know to exist now are the ones leaked to the Telegraph - and they can't be used, as the Telegraph shouldn't have had them.

There are three reasons this stuff's coming out: The Freedom of Information Act; the 30-year rule; the advancing age of public officers (police, council & SS) who were made to keep quiet. The internet helps a lot, too. It's deeply unlikely that this has all stopped now, it's simply that current laws make it possible to investigate things that were secret thirty years ago.

Might be worth noting that the royal household is exempt from both FOI and 30-year disclosure.

'There are three reasons this stuff's coming out'

Don't forget that the whole can of worms really started to unravel one year after Savile's death (after the Jubilee and the Olympics) when what Savile did could no longer be contained and when he was dead. Links to Savile etc have led to exposure of similar crimes elsewhere.

The British press was fantastic in the 70s and 80s when it exposed the Paedophile Information Exchange, but the whole can of worms was closed down and not looked into.

As the former Scotland Yard detective said

'I do remember that the officers were highly passionate about the Mehrotra case, but for some reason we never managed to get anywhere.'

She added: 'There was also a strong sense of the power of Parliament and of politicians. It was very much a case of 'Do as you are told.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2842201/Notorious-paedophile-gang-covered-17-child-murders-linked-VIP-guest-house.html

But what is different now is that the public have lost faith in the Establishment, after one scandal after another, and now we have the internet and Facebook and twitter and people are communicating and discussion cannot be shut doiwn.

Of course the EU recently brought in that law that means that paedophiles can ask google to remove links to articles about them

"Politician, paedophile and GP claim 'right to be forgotten'

Google has already received several requests to remove links from its search results"

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10833894/Politician-paedophile-and-GP-claim-right-to-be-forgotten.html

But I don't think it will be forgotten because people are all watching what will be done.

People feel they finally have some power - victims, newspaper reporters, former police officers - are all speaking up because they feel a strength that together they can force these disgusting crimes into the open and that no one can shut it down.

True, so who fuck needs the failed Conservatives funding, running, and joining UKIP - or in Claig Land did one previously owned MP turn the tide? lol

Isitmebut, stop turning this into stuff about Farage. This is far too serious for knockabout stuff like that. This is disgusting and involves some parts of the Establishment and some parts of all political parties and crimes against children.

Claig .. it's your thinly disguised hypocricy dear, when you attack the established political parties, you have your own agenda, 'glass houses', what, what.

“Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses-
Farage used EU allowances to finance his euro sceptic message”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

“Nigel Farage calls for MP pay rise to £100,000 - just weeks before announcing where he will stand in 2015”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

Anyhoo...it is a serious subject, I'm clowning around, so I'll leave the thread now - sorry to any non UKIPer I might have offended, by my presence.

take it elsewhere isitme - foul taste to 'clown around' as you put it on this thread. take your copy paste and spam routine elsewhere

medium.com/@tom_watson/a-quick-update-on-the-child-abuse-inquiry-8b1a422ce199

Hope the link works. Tom Watson's latest update.

it worked. thanks sunny.

TheHoneybadger ... very brave after I 'left', it was the subject of the previous page, but nice of you to take the time off supporting Hamas.

isitme - you're on a thread about the abuse and murder of children and you use it to try and squabble with other posters about political differences from other threads. just have some sense of decency fgs.

TheHoneyBadger ... please do not be concerned re my "decency", within this subject at least, I even START threads on the subject.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2169363-The-Rotherham-1-400-children-plus-WHO-is-responsible

i really don't care - you, me, your ego,my ego, popularity games etc - it is so far beyond mattering even a tiny jot compared to children being raped and silenced by society.

you appeared out of nowhere recently on this site screaming for attention and without any regard for courtesy or form or decency and you continue to scream and shout for attention with zero regard for anyone or anything or any registering.

you appear to want to screech at me and call me a terrorist or whatever for being concerned about children being bombed in their beds, schools and hospital wards in israel and for being concerned about children being raped and murdered in the uk. that to me is unfathomable. to focus and direct your energy to arguing AGAINST people who protest against child murder speaks for itself. to extend that to pursuing posters all over the board dragging things from thread to thread is bizarre. i find it incredible that real life people go out of their way to defend murder.

anyway.

i can only hope that enough people are reporting you and your isp is being well enough investigated for you to be out of here rapidly.

Well said, HB. Odd behaviour.

it is sickening garlic - it's annoying and tedious enough anywhere on the boards but on THIS thread is a whole sick new level. the poster frequently shows themselves to have zero conventional social/communication skills but this is beyond the pale as mn speak goes.

‘Babes’ killer linked to Westminster politicians' paedo ring, by Don Hale

Babes In The Wood killer Ronald Jebson worked as a chauffeur ferrying innocent youngsters to be abused at sick orgies, it was claimed.

www.exaronews.com/articles/5413/mp-paedophiles-were-untouchables-ex-special-branch-officer

another strikingly uneccessary trail of bodies and victims that could have been solved by PROPER sentencing and monitoring in the first place.

these guys stories are always the same - short sentence - reoffend - another short sentence - reoffend even worse. all evidence says these people do not change and will reoffend so WHY are they being given pathetic sentences then released to go out and rape and eventually kill yet more children?

it seems senseless till you realise just how widespread this behaviour is at the top and how connected they all are.

a man who was a chauffeur and witness to politicians and judges raping children goes before judges for raping children - are we really expecting justice in those circs?

a comment on one of those articles led to me reading some other stuff pointing fingers at certain politicians and outlining key resignations at peak moments etc.

does anyone else think it strange the way labour just roled over in the last election result and the libdems went with tories? i mean clearly it WAS strange, everyone felt it strange not least the libdem voters many of whom were voting strategically in tory stronghold areas where the only chance of not having a tory mp was to vote libdem.

but now i'm wondering, given the accusations abounding and the intelligence leaks that were emerging whether there was more to it than we realised.

it begins to feel like lunacy though as in jesus they can't ALL be bloody child rapists can they? but when you look over the history of times of leaks and how those implicated resigned or stepped back from public life and the data suppressed it all begins to feel linked.

sorry i'm not being very clear.

i think IF we accept this ring existed say 40years ago, if it involved top MPs, judges, the secret service etc and if we accept that they didn't all just die in one generation, that others were implicated involved and controlled by that as time went on then we have to consider that the last 40 years of our political system, our legal system and our intelligence services have at the least been influenced by this information. by the need to hide this information, by the threat of this information being released and by powerful people having shared interests that had nothing to do with the institutions and roles they represented.

i'm not sure if i'm being clear even now. it is dawning on me that this era may have shaped the core of political decision making, sentencing, even foreign policy and certainly investment and deal making for FORTY YEARS.

i am aware how mental that sounds but if you follow those if you accept a then we know b and in all likelihood c logical steps (not laid out well by me) then you are forced to accept our political system and all major seats of power controlling society, the legal system, politics, economics etc have been effected by this therefore all that those systems have generated/decided/directed is effected.

it is horrific but in some sense hopeful - IF this is the case then what might a system not hampered by the interference of pedophiles and those who hold power over them look like?

sorry thinking out loud but yeah, it's sinking in to me that in all likelihood no major decision, political move or anything in the last 40 years has been untouched by this. and we don't know what started it - or 'who' started it as in in whose interest was it to infiltrate the power classes with child sexual abuse and to create that secrecy? in the land of science fiction you could imagine it as a secret services experiment to control politics and economics but that seems a little far fetched obviously but are we honestly thinking oh there just happened to be a moment in time when a load of child raping sados were in power at the same time and decided to start raping and killing kids together?

it seems it would take a little more direction than that.

apologies if i sound fit for the DI forums

and back to the sentencing - do we HONESTLY believe that any normal sane person with a shred of social conscience/morality/whatever you want to call it would sentence child rapists and murderers to such paltry sentences despite the stacks and stacks of evidence of reoffending?

it's not just carelessness or 'not getting it' - these aren't half wits but allegedly very educated people and the cream of the crop coming through the ranks of barristers etc. it is deliberate. it is an active choice to give a low sentence to someone who has and you know will again raped and/or killed but certainly brutalised children.

no normal decent person does that 'just because'.