Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

Its really unravelling now. The report on Sky News implied this homicide case is referring the the woman who owned the guest house in Barnes and her death by insulin od. This is really getting close to the RF now so I wonder who will 'go' next or squeal

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/14/westminster-sex-abuse-inquiry-homicide-claims

"Westminster sex abuse inquiry widens amid child homicide claims."

nothing more articulate than a sad face.

indeed.

There are no words.

"Did VIP abusers murder a boy? Scotland Yard's new probe into paedophile ring at luxury flats used by ministers"
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Last night Labour MP John Mann said the bombshell claims, which are the most serious so far to emerge in the scandal over the possible links of MPs and peers to paedophiles, must be taken seriously.

He added: 'This shows the gravity of the situation; it is what some of us have been saying for the last year. I have said there have been murders and therefore I'm pleased to see this development.

'I'm not the slightest bit surprised. There are more suspicious deaths that need to be investigated and the police are aware of.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834647/Detectives-investigating-claims-Westminster-paedophile-ring-uncover-evidence-possible-murder-linked-allegations.html

I have dipped in and out of this thread, but follow Tom Watson on Twitter and Facebook, and this is rarely far from my mind. I just hope that this is the start and that the pressure is kept up now.

i really hope so. i'm kind of amazed this has made it to MSM tbh. i think those of us following from the beginning knew there were many alleged killings but i doubted they'd ever be investigated or discussed as possibilities in the media.

the body trail of witnesses and victims and their bizarre unexplained deaths, dubious suicides and falls from ladders amongst other things is unbelievable and to me suggests yet more evidence of the sheer arrogance and sense of being untouchable of those involved.

'I watched Tory MP MURDER a boy during depraved Westminster VIP paedophile party'

The abuse victim's claims are being treated as credible by detectives now investigating THREE murders allegedly linked to a network of VIP perverts."

A victim of the Westminster paedophile abuse scandal has claimed he saw a Conservative MP murder a young boy during a depraved sex party.
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Nick claims the first death was of a boy aged ten or 11 who was ­deliberately run down by a car.

Another chilling allegation is that he was in the same room in the 1980s when a 12-year-old boy was strangled by a Tory MP.

Nick said: “I watched while that happened. I am not sure how I got out of that. Whether I will ever know why I survived, I am not sure.”

Eighteen months later, he claims a third boy was killed by two unknown men in front of another MP."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-watched-tory-mp-murder-4636497

This is horrific.

Yes, I've just been reading it on Exaro (most of their story's quoted in the Mirror.)

I'm realising one or two people I knew back then must have known how bad it was. I'm very much hoping Nick's right to say, now his story's being properly investigated by the police, some of the drivers, neighbours & other bit-part players will come forward to give evidence.

that is harrowing reading.

we're talking sadism to the extreme. that survivor's accounts make very clear that this was not just sexual abuse and even that they were children was not enough sadism for these men - they wanted violence and sadism on top.

these are seriously evil people in positions of power getting away with it and being protected in doing so. the implications of that are mind blowing not only for the victims but for everything.

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It's very difficult to comprehend or assimilate this kind of thing, just contemplating atrocities like this acknowledging that it actually happened, that people would do this. ?

People in positions of power and responsibility, the crazy conspiracy theorists were right we really are ruled over by people who are (metaphorically if not literally) blood drinking reptiles who participate in human sacrifices.

But it still reads like the plot to a horror film, ie a sick but impossible fantasy, not something which could happen in real life ?

the thing is that horror films etc are a product of our imaginations - of what the human mind is capable of fantasising about if you like. jung springs to mind with his shadow theory. the mind is capable of thinking up this stuff and some actually enjoy acting it out.

it's that enjoyment that is so harrowingly baffling - that evil (very unfashionable word) really does walk among us and we are all waking up i think to the fact that evil is very successful in the world, being evil gives you quite the edge at getting on and into positions of power or influence or fame that you can use and abuse to indulge your sickness.

these people are 'other' and they're not the 'other' of the paedophile as in some person who happens to be sexually attracted to children such as we've been sold, maybe those people do exist in small numbers but the most prolific abuse of children is imo about evil, power and a need to break every boundary possible to get your 'kicks' or indulge your addiction to power.

we've really got to get the caps out of our hands and stop worshipping power amongst other things. power should be given to those who we trust to manage it well, not those who are most driven to get it, being driven to get it should be the thing that makes you least qualified to wield it imo. as it stands power goes to those who are born to it or manipulate and claw their way to it. neither are good qualifiers for positions of trust.

Power is surely inherently problematic? This is an age old philosophical debate, power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely, the ring of gyges etc etc.

There are theories which involve 'lines' being crossed, that once you have committed certain acts that are extreme there is no way back, these things come to define you and as you say a person develops a compulsion to break boundaries.

Then there are all sorts of debates about the nature of evil.

I dunno :( ?

Anyone who wants to be in a position of power is probably, by definition not a person who can be trusted with it, so it's rather a conundrum

it's a conundrum because we give power rather than responsibility i think. we have all power with no responsibility/accountability (take the recent expense scandal as an example).

parties 'get into power' rather than 'become responsible for'. being a parent, being totally responsible for a child inherently gives the potential of power - but power in itself is kind of an abuse of that responsibility - and those who seize that power abuse their children.

i'm not putting this well but for sure i think we should be electing people who are responsible and have proved their ability to handle responsibility rather than those who are ambitious or can show a seductive 'wearing' of power such as we have in politics today.

but you see it everywhere - it is the smarmy guys in suits who get the promotion, not the guy who keeps the company running, looks after the staff and thinks carefully about what to do for the best rather than for his own career.

we are seduced or in thrall somehow to an image of power and those who can display it. i need to think on this - sorry if it is out of place on this thread.

there is way too much power and way too much money involved in positions of responsibility which attracts entirely the wrong people.

I agree that it may be possible to mitigate the corrupting effects of power, by making people accountable, checks and balances, having it disseminated rather than concentrated etc.
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But really, well I guess it comes down to the degree to which humans are inherently self interested, and various other ultimately unanswerable questions about human nature. ?

“We find that at present the human race is divided into one wise man, nine knaves, and ninety fools out of every hundred. That is, by an optimistic observer. The nine knaves assemble themselves under the banner of the most knavish among them, and become 'politicians'; the wise man stands out, because he knows himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, and devotes himself to poetry, mathematics, or philosophy; while the ninety fools plod off under the banners of the nine villains, according to fancy, into the labyrinths of chicanery, malice and warfare. It is pleasant to have command, observes Sancho Panza, even over a flock of sheep, and that is why the politicians raise their banners. It is, moreover, the same thing for the sheep whatever the banner. If it is democracy, then the nine knaves will become members of parliament; if fascism, they will become party leaders; if communism, commissars. Nothing will be different, except the name. The fools will be still fools, the knaves still leaders, the results still exploitation. As for the wise man, his lot will be much the same under any ideology. Under democracy he will be encouraged to starve to death in a garret, under fascism he will be put in a concentration camp, under communism he will be liquidated.”

T.H. White

I am beginning to think it is about evil. The elite feel they are different to us, above us, beyond us. They break taboos and decency and become depraved as part of their distancing from us, their "othering" from us. In a way it is like Dostoevsky's Raskolnikov in Crime and Punishment who kills in order to become like a Napoleon. It is evil, it is "othering", it is depraved, it is the breaking of every human decency and taboo. With this evil comes a lack of conscience.

How can they fund and arm rebels to smash up countries, topple leaders and displace millions of people just for filthy oil and filthy lucre?

It is evil and it is criminal, just like the mafia or street gangs like the "Bloods" and "Crips" whose members need to break taboos to enter the criminal fraternity such as carrying out drive-by shootings on innocent people. Those depraved, disgusting acts link them to the gang and its goals and having transgressed, they can never escape the gang. They are complicit, they are criminal, they are evil and they can then be fully controlled and used as puppets and zombies devoid of every last human decency in order to further the interests of power and the gang.

It is almost like a conspiracy of evil, like a gang of criminals, hiding from the law, justice and everything that we value.

Their fascination with evil, death, the devil, transgression and breaking of taboos is evident in their elitist clubs, like the 18th Century Hellfire Club or the modern-day Skull and Bones. They say it is all just a joke, but it is a sick joke.

The solution is to take power away from the gang, expose them to the light. Give power to the people, give us referenda so that the gang cannot exercise power without scrutiny and public consent.

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More likely a game of whack a mole?:(

'“We find that at present the human race is divided into one wise man, nine knaves, and ninety fools out of every hundred. That is, by an optimistic observer. The nine knaves assemble themselves under the banner of the most knavish among them, and become 'politicians'; the wise man stands out, because he knows himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, and devotes himself to poetry, mathematics, or philosophy'

T H White

But while there s still "one wise man", then we all have hope. Us "ninety fools" still have a chance of seeing the light and exposing "the nine knaves".

Sometimes great people come along who won't shut up.

They call good people "crazy". Just one Vivienne Westwood is worth ten thousand of the knaves, even if she gets things wrong.

But what has been great to see is that the victims won't shut up, they won't be silenced. We have the internet and youtube and things are coming out everywhere, they can't shut everything down.

Many of the victims say they have no faith, no trust in what is being done. And neither do many of us as we read about the disgusting things that went on. We're all together with the victims, we all want something done.

you did read the bit about the inevitable fate of the wise man?

TheHoneyBadger, your post at 10:51 is fantastic.

I think you're spot on, too, with "we give power rather than responsibility ... parties 'get into power' rather than 'become responsible for'."

Your parenting analogy's appropriate, too. I need to stress here that it is not only people of great influence who feed their power obsessions through grotesque 'sexual' abuses of children. They are the ones, though, with the influential means to exploit & abuse on a grand scale.

We must, must keep on supporting all those with the courage to break through these secretive walls of influence.

I forgot that bit

"As for the wise man, his lot will be much the same under any ideology. Under democracy he will be encouraged to starve to death in a garret, under fascism he will be put in a concentration camp, under communism he will be liquidated.”

These troubles for humanity are temporary. It is truth that will defeat evil. The more "wise men" we have, the more we will see the truth. Good wins through in the end. Evil fears good, the Devil fears God.

Cover-ups will be exposed, the truth will finally out, sinners will have nowhere left to hide, they won't be able to save their hides.

i stumbled across this and figured the original thread would help me understand.

i cant access it.