Establishment Paedophiled Part 2 : **Warning, potential triggers**

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A new thread following on from the previous one in Chat here

Wow Ladyleia that is interesting reading, I'd heard of many of those but not the more recent ex PMs.

I wish Wikileaks or someone would just publish everything including that missing dossier. I don't have faith at all that anything will be uncovered in the inquiry when it eventually starts. I think they're appointing unsuitable people to buy time to destroy or alter evidence.

i already knew of the TB court case where he appeared under his middle names and had heard of the GB claims by the woman who gained custody of her younger sibling.

have spent last night and this morning reading this thread and the links.

i used to post a lot on this topic and then it seemed to go quiet for a while and then my full attention was taken by the most recent atrocities in gaza.

i'm somewhat relieved to find things are still progressing albeit not as transparently or rapidly or seriously as we would want them to.

the woman who has been charged with arson story is a frightening one and i agree actually with the journalists opinion that we are watching the break down of law and order - the depth and height of corruption in the criminal justice system is breathtaking, as is the arrogance and entitlement exhibited in how flagrantly they protect each other.

i kind of feel like i don't owe the institutions of our society ANYTHING anymore - there is so much in recent years to rub in our faces the contempt those in powerful positions have towards the public, to the law and to any sense of accountability. i really don't believe there are any 'authorities' that can be trusted or are immune to corruption or don't have incredibly perverse and twisted characters running the show.

that sounds crazy i know but what else is there to conclude when you read this stuff?

a question i have (after reviewing again the more recent discoveries around inconsistencies and outright dodgy as hell features of the 'abduction' case we're not allowed to mention) is WHY? why the level of high power interest and string pulling? why the presence and sending of incredibly powerful lawyers and pr managers etc by promininent political figures? why the use of criminals and really dodgy and sometimes fake agencies for private investigation? why the fabrication of events and 'stories' to keep it front page periodically all this time?

it seems like the evidence does indeed scream peculiarities and high power vested interest but there doesn't seem to be a unifying theory as to why that was the case unless we're to believe the couple in question were incredibly well connected at a level not in the public domain eg. suggestions of freemasonry connections etc.

i have no trouble sadly believing that many high establishment figures including politicians, judges, police, social service leaders etc are involved in child abuse and potentially known to one another and actively protecting each other but with that particular case i'm lost as to why they gathered, and gathered so quickly around the parents and what was to be gained from keeping publicity of the case so prominent and beyond anythng ever seen before or since in relation to a missing individual.

sorry if this is out of place. links on here have led me back to that case and the undeniably unusual levels of involvement and intervention from teh establishment that still leave the niggling question of why this case was of such interest to them.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827378/Ex-MI6-chief-Peter-Hayman-named-VIP-sexually-abused-boys-Dolphin-Square-apartment-complex-near-Parliament.html

Another dead one of course though, who can't give away the rest of the ring

Yes, it is so shocking how high up some of this goes.

yes and how 'sensitive' a level of information some of these people would have been privy to thanks to their roles. can you imagine the level of investigation and security clearance it takes to be a head of MI6?

again and again it seems so improbable that these people's predilections could not be known by those who put them in or afforded them with such positions of power or freedoms (re: access). maybe one failure by those responsible for massively thorough security checks and investigation would be believable re: one highly compromised person being afford that level of freedom and clearance. again and again and again though? either we're to believe our secret services are utterly incompetent at investigating and vetting people for security clearance, knighthoods etc OR being a child rapist seems to be a qualification rather than a reason for a red light.

just thinking out loud about the benefits of knowing you all share terrible secrets - the obvious being that no one can 'grass' on anyone for anything because they could take you down too.

so even things unrelated to their crimes against children can be done with total impunity (be that fraud, backhanders, whatever basically). there's also a knowledge that it is in everyone's vested interest actually that no one gets caught for anything (again even things totally unrelated to the rapes and abuse) so there is motivation to protect each other from any accusations of impropriety of any kind to avoid scrutiny or the danger of one being isolated from the flock and therefore less controllable.

when someone is caught doing something that they can't be protected from (of the unrelated crimes) there's that expectation of 'falling on one's sword' (with the knowledge it's better to fall on that sword than have the full extent of your crimes come to the surface by insisting on defending oneself in the public arena and inviting further revelations). that reminds of the way politicians 'resign' when told to rather than fight their case (which makes me paranoid about how widespread the secret club is that politicians always do as they're told and resign on cue).

obviously anyone who wasn't a child rapist but had the knowledge could pull the strings but they'd have to be supremely untouchable in order to not be met with a nasty accident or given a helping hand to commit suicide in strange circumstances. for that reason i don't see a puppet master 'outside' of the the circle of child rapists - who could be hugely powerful enough to not be taken out by people of this stature itms? no one.

and anyone getting too close or knowing anything would either have to be compromised so they become 'in' it too with the same stakes or gotten rid of and when your circle is that powerful getting rid of people isn't in the slightest bit difficult.

sorry -not useful just thinking out 'aloud' of the implications really.

oh and all bets are off when you're dead and they'll throw your corpse at the media as a distraction if it proves useful

The enquiry is a mess. How convenient...

not least because it's been so difficult to find a person of high enough stature and career progression who isn't personally connected to a sexual abuser of children or someone whose previously helped cover up such abuse

it's like finding a needle in a haystack apparently

"Journalist Don Hale, given Home Office files in 1984 on abuse claims, confirms inquiry by @PeterWanless has not spoken to him" - BBC Today programme tweet today.

Don Hale was a local newspaper editor given a dossier by Barbara Castle, the cabinet minister. He says Cyril Smith turned up and tried to intimidate him into handing over the files. He refused, then the next day Special Branch turned up demanding them, and threatening him. Files have never been seen since. And clearly the inquiry didn't want to look into it either.

more on Don Hale and the (second) missing dossier here

sorry -not useful just thinking out 'aloud' of the implications really

on the contrary, I think you're right on the money, that's exactly how it works :(

people say, 'power corrupts' as though it was an abstract relationship but actually it's in the active interest of those in power to corrupt anyone reaching the power level so that they are not a threat. so not just the abstract of power itself but the the people of power as active agents itms.

a squeaky clean person with no skeletons and a moral conscience is the last thing those in power want amongst them realistically.

i'm trying to have a break from reading articles etc on this today - i found in the past it was better to pace how much you took in and take breaks from it.

suspect some people have an instinct for power structures and the details of how they operate.
It's a game of strategy and the other people are pawns, a means to an end

I am beginning to think it must be blackmail and that some of these people are elevated into positions of power so that they can then be controlled and blackmailed to do as they are told.

Power is about achieving objectives and pawns and puppets are used in order to achieve those objectives.

That is how the mafia control people, through compromise, blackmail, fear and intimidaytion, and it may be the same at the real top in real power.

Tim Holburt, who worked as a civil servant in the Home Office in the 1980s, was on BBC Radio 4 Today this morning and he said similar to what he said in the following article to ITV News in July.

"He is unclear how he found out - he claims he was both tipped off and saw paperwork relating to a grant for PIE - but says he is absolutely certain he had a meeting about it in the office of his line manager.

Both Mr Hulbert and his superior, Clifford Hindley, worked in the Voluntary Services Unit of the Home Office which approved grants to various organisations.

Mr Hindley, however, ordered that the grant be paid.

Tim Hulbert says his superior told him to back off because renewal grants didn't require ministerial approval (suggesting it had been paid before).

In an interview at his home today, Mr Hulbert also says he was told that the payment was made on the orders of the Metropolitan Police's Special Branch.
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A statement from the Metropolitan Police to ITV News said:

"The Metropolitan Police Service will fully co-operate with the Home Office inquiry led by Peter Wanless, and provide detail of relevant information.

"Whilst this is ongoing it would be inappropriate to comment further."

Mr Hulbert's recollections suggest that payments to PIE were being made by both the Labour government of James Callaghan and the Conservative administration of Margaret Thatcher.

He wasn't told why Special Branch wanted the payment to PIE to continue.

It was made clear to Mr Hulbert, however, that he should not take the matter any further.

The whistleblower has given a statement to police investigating historic allegations of abuse - but Mr Hulbert has never before given an interview to a reporter."

www.itv.com/news/2014-07-09/westminster-pie-grant-home-office-whistleblower-tim-hulbert/

Sorry, it is Tim Hulbert, not Holburt.

The Daily Mail has got an article on it

"Government gave money to notorious Paedophile Information Exchange on the orders of Special Branch, claims Home Office whistleblower"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831219/Government-gave-money-Paedophile-Information-Exchange-group-says-Home-Office-whistleblower.html

hmm - maybe 'why should we spend taxpayers money prosecuting people for fucking the spawn of peasants?' - PIE changing the law would have saved money? sounds awful and random. i'm struck though by the class element of all this - rich powerful men feeling totally entitled to use and abuse wards of the state predominantly taken from lower working class origins and being 'paid for' by their betters ergo being 'owned' by them? i'm sorry, i know how awful that sounds but it's been bugging me for a few days that this 'benefits scum', 'why should we pay for poor' kind of mentality so rife now and so indicative of entitlement and dehumanisation of the poor and disabled and vulnerable connects to the sense of entitlement tptb felt towards this so called 'cared for' (for them 'paid for') children.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/scotland-yard-searching-bodleian-library-for-dickens-dossier-on-alleged-child-sex-abuse-9857200.html

fingers crossed though i must say i don't think the police finding it is the safest outcome. experience shows it's best for it to make it out into the public domain before handing it over to, or having your house raided by to get hold of it by the police.

be good of one of those library workers had the sense to take a copy of anything they found before handing it over.

I saw the BBC news today and its saying there is a murder investigation going on now, followed by an article in the DM that has just sprung up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834647/Detectives-investigating-claims-Westminster-paedophile-ring-uncover-evidence-possible-murder-linked-allegations.html