The poor people in the 'plane, would they have suffered?

[hellymelly]

The news is so shocking, have avoided the tv news for days but read the papers today. Combined with the terrible images of injured children in Gaza it is all so upsetting. I can't help but think about the passengers in the downed airoplane, would they have been alive when they hit the ground? Or would they have passed out from lack of oxygen before then? I just hope that they knew nothing and were killed instantly but I realise that is probably unlikely. .

I agree that I should not have repeated the article that I read that I found so horrible, it was thoughtless of me and I did just write it in a rush because I had been shocked by it and didn't stop to think that I was perpetuating that sort of comment by repeating it.
I should have said that I had been shocked and upset by some graphic comments and that would have been clear enough, so I apologise to anyone who read that particular post of mine and wished that they hadn't. I wished I hadn't read it in the first place, it wasn't in the gutter press I should add. It has been a sobering lesson that I should be far more careful what I post rather than letting a stream of emotion run out, as though I am talking to a friend. I have tried to be far more careful as the thread has progressed for just that reason- I realised that it was carelessly typed and I am sorry.

what a shit thread, and people being antsy to someone who has lossed a child

SICK

I think it's pretty clear that Expat was offering an opinion, she was not shutting down conversation.

And to suggest she is using her daughter to guilt-trip people...words fail me. Actually, they don't, but the words I want to use would see me banned from here for a while.

A human and natural reaction would be to hope that those souls who lost their lives died peacefully, empathise with the families and move on.

Its not normal to dredge up details of facial expressions and body positions, this is what the media do to sensationalise and sell stories.

That's the word I needed!

Christ.

A little boy from my school (I am a teacher) and his family dies in this disaster. I, and my colleagues, friends and the children, have been making sure not to read or watch the news through fear of any horrible images.

But the worst images came from this thread.

Phanton I have reported your post to Expat, I think it was way out of line.

And now I shall report my own for not being able to spell properly...

coldfish - thats terrible. im so sorry for your loss.

and now maybe those who are ghoulishly going over this stuff can see why its not gossip, or entertaining, or even just natural curiosity.

its clear that those who find this is playing on their minds have never seen the body of someone who died in tragic circumstances.

i am not alone in finding this thread - unsavoury at best.

It's not concern, it's not compassion, it's trying to piggyback on the grief of those whose relatives have died. For what? A vicarious thrill?

What the hell are you basing that on?

Sounds like concern and grim imaginings to me. Not so different from throwing up a secular sort of prayer; "please don't let them have suffered" but as the OP said, the possibilities were haunting her imagination and the news coverage was prurient and hard to avoid.

She has said maybe it was a misjudgement to detail the broadsheet article that disturbed her.

You are extravagantly out of order in attributing such low motivation however.

Ugh.

If you're not interested in discussing something, why come on a thread to chastise and make assumptions about those who are discussing it?

The thread title is very clear on the subject matter, so is easy to avoid if the discussion is not to your taste.

This is the first time I have read any criticism of Timmermans' speech. It has been widely applauded in the Netherlands for forcing politicians to focus on human tragedy rather than the politics of the resolution. A decent, compassionate man reflecting the thoughts of many Dutch people. Not a ghoul.

I don't see it as voyeurism, I think we all travel so much by air these days and it is such a horrifying thing to happen that sometimes people are looking for some sort of reassurance that those passengers did not suffer too much, that it was all over quickly.
As for it being a modern phenomena I doubt it, I would think people have been hoping and praying their relatives and friends didn't suffer since the very beginning.
That we have news and internet now just means we see more tragedy in the world.
We all watch films like Titanic and shudder and imagine that cold watery grave and hope it was quick.

I just wanted to leave this here. I assume the family wants it disseminated, and it seems...better, than what's going on in this thread. It's a statement made by the parents of Mo (12), Evie (10) and Otis (8) to the Western Australian press today.

"We live in a hell beyond hell. Our babies are not here with us – we need to live with this act of horror, every day and every moment for the rest of our lives.

No one deserves what we are going through. Not even the people who shot our whole family out of the sky.

No hate in the world is as strong as the love we have for our children, for Mo, for Evie, for Otis. No hate in the world is as strong as the love we have for Grandad Nick. No hate in the world is as strong as the love we have for each other. This is a revelation that gives us some comfort."

So far, every moment since we arrived home, we’ve been surrounded by family and friends. We desperately pray that this continues ... We want to continue to know about your lives, all the good and all the bad.

We no longer have lives that we want to live by ourselves. So we’d like to take the chance to thank everyone, all our incredible friends, family and communities, and to tell you all that we love you very much.

We would also like to thank the people at DFAT; the local co-ordinator Claire and most sincerely, Diana and Adrian from The Hague, without whom we would not be here. We ask the media to respect the privacy of our family and friends – pain is not a story."

I stand by what I said and I have had PMs telling me that others agree with me.

We cannot shut down conversation because of our own experiences. If I can manage not to do it, so can others.

I am disgusted that HQ have deleted my post which was written perfectly reasonably, was not abusive and a deletion makes it look as though I was being. I am not the only person on this thread to make a similar point.